Wanna make £££ Get yourself a 996 Turbo
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Crimp a Length! said:
On my 3rd 6T bloody love it!
Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
You taken the GT2 badge off it yet Crimp? :}Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
stubbsy996 said:
Crimp a Length! said:
On my 3rd 6T bloody love it!
Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
You taken the GT2 badge off it yet Crimp? :}Dull?
Far from it 550 bhp, biggest kick in the back than any of my previous 911's including GT2/GT3.
Different exhaust system and a few tweaks and its a different animal all together.
In terms of values who gives a sh*t the money i've made on previous 911's paid for mine in any case.
Bought to enjoy not feckin polish and worry about, chips and putting miles on it (which is basically what i did with all the others)
The mid range punch is epic as is the road presence and its £270 pa insurance what more do you want. I'd suggest buy one now and don't worry about miles, get one thats had the work done and has been well used.
The beast below has 93k miles on it and is as tight as a drum, just dropped the oil and it looked like the new stuff they put back in.
This X50 obsession amuses me. I had a non X50 turbo and drove an X50 i was thinking of upgrading to. I actually felt the engine was strangled too much lower down and loved the agility of my regular one. Oh sure it was quicker at the top but I just preferred the responsiveness of the lighter turbos. I'm sure it could be chipped for top end for best of both worlds.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
Not buying the "sterile" drive comments on the 996 turbo. If you REALLY push on with it the car is very rewarding to drive, feels very planted and can be a little bit understeery leading to oversteer (as most porsches). Turn the PASM off and it really is a lot of fun to drive. The only problem is that to get to this you have to be doing ridiculous speeds. Its no GT3/GT2 but then again you arrive at your destination calm and relaxed rather than sweating and flustered.
Can't see them going up in price though. Maybe manual cars as most seem to be tips but for a bargain super car that doesn't seem to depreciate you really can't go wrong.
Can't see them going up in price though. Maybe manual cars as most seem to be tips but for a bargain super car that doesn't seem to depreciate you really can't go wrong.
supermono said:
This X50 obsession amuses me. I had a non X50 turbo and drove an X50 i was thinking of upgrading to. I actually felt the engine was strangled too much lower down and loved the agility of my regular one. Oh sure it was quicker at the top but I just preferred the responsiveness of the lighter turbos. I'm sure it could be chipped for top end for best of both worlds.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
the thing is its not just the turbos that are different with a X50 upgrade. You also get a strengthened gear box, GT2 ICs and strengthened clutch. So worth the extra if you find one. Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
Moosh said:
supermono said:
This X50 obsession amuses me. I had a non X50 turbo and drove an X50 i was thinking of upgrading to. I actually felt the engine was strangled too much lower down and loved the agility of my regular one. Oh sure it was quicker at the top but I just preferred the responsiveness of the lighter turbos. I'm sure it could be chipped for top end for best of both worlds.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
the thing is its not just the turbos that are different with a X50 upgrade. You also get a strengthened gear box, GT2 ICs and strengthened clutch. So worth the extra if you find one. Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
I feel like i can say this, as i drive a Turbo S...
Relative to the GT and RS models, the Turbo is anodyne/soulless/sterile. The aforementioned models are tactile and expressive; they draw an emotional response. If you were to drive a GT3 against a Turbo blindfolded (please, don't), you wouldn't know they were the same cars. I'm getting a feeling some people commenting have never driven a GT3 or GT2.
As such, as the years go by, people aren't going to lust after great all-rounders; they want something that is A) rare, B) exciting/nostalgic, C) rated as best in class. The Turbo is not rare, not exciting and is beaten by other cars with the 911 badge.
Yes, a manual X50 may command a sizeable premium in comparison to standard cars, but even so, they won't sky-rocket in value. For me, that's great; someone can buy/build a car like the above for a relative small outlay. Just don't kid yourself into thinking they're an investment.
Relative to the GT and RS models, the Turbo is anodyne/soulless/sterile. The aforementioned models are tactile and expressive; they draw an emotional response. If you were to drive a GT3 against a Turbo blindfolded (please, don't), you wouldn't know they were the same cars. I'm getting a feeling some people commenting have never driven a GT3 or GT2.
As such, as the years go by, people aren't going to lust after great all-rounders; they want something that is A) rare, B) exciting/nostalgic, C) rated as best in class. The Turbo is not rare, not exciting and is beaten by other cars with the 911 badge.
Yes, a manual X50 may command a sizeable premium in comparison to standard cars, but even so, they won't sky-rocket in value. For me, that's great; someone can buy/build a car like the above for a relative small outlay. Just don't kid yourself into thinking they're an investment.
hondansx said:
Relative to the GT and RS models, the Turbo is anodyne/soulless/sterile.
I disagree. I accept is not as 'sharp' as the GT models - it was never meant to be - but I don't believe it can ever be classed as anodyne/soulless/sterile.
Myself and a Bentley ContiGT owner drove each others cars back-to-back, and the Porsche felt totally raw in comparison. This kind of stuff will always be entirely subjective, and totally based on your frame of reference, however, I will say again, I don't believe a 996t can ever be classed as anodyne/soulless/sterile.
hondansx said:
If you were to drive a GT3 against a Turbo blindfolded (please, don't), you wouldn't know they were the same cars. I'm getting a feeling some people commenting have never driven a GT3 or GT2.
I have driven a GT3, and owned a turbo (which I chose over a GT3), and whilst I appreciate the GT3 has some strengths over a turbo in some areas, it is not a totally different car, and I believe those that preach this like gospel, is like a case of 'the emperors new clothes'.hondansx said:
The aforementioned models are tactile and expressive; they draw an emotional response.
Purely subjective. My turbo drew an emotional response. It was tactile and expressive.
hondansx said:
they want something that is A) rare, B) exciting/nostalgic, C) rated as best in class.
The Turbo is not rare, not exciting and is beaten by other cars with the 911 badge.
In real life, and in general terms, the 996t is a rare car (how many have you seen on the road in the last month?). As time goes on, they will become more rare.The Turbo is not rare, not exciting and is beaten by other cars with the 911 badge.
The 996t won evo's car of the year in 2001(?). It was the best in class, in fact, it was the best car full-stop. Remember, the GT3.1 was on sale at this point.
My 996t was exciting. I'm pretty sure crimps is too.
hondansx said:
Just don't kid yourself into thinking they're an investment.
As said above, mine lost basically no money in 2 years 10k miles. Prices have remained stable since. I can't predict the future, but that isn't a bad starting point.
I do think the GT models will be a better investment, but I think decent 996 turbos will do OK long term.
monthefish said:
Moosh said:
supermono said:
This X50 obsession amuses me. I had a non X50 turbo and drove an X50 i was thinking of upgrading to. I actually felt the engine was strangled too much lower down and loved the agility of my regular one. Oh sure it was quicker at the top but I just preferred the responsiveness of the lighter turbos. I'm sure it could be chipped for top end for best of both worlds.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
the thing is its not just the turbos that are different with a X50 upgrade. You also get a strengthened gear box, GT2 ICs and strengthened clutch. So worth the extra if you find one. Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
Moosh said:
monthefish said:
Moosh said:
supermono said:
This X50 obsession amuses me. I had a non X50 turbo and drove an X50 i was thinking of upgrading to. I actually felt the engine was strangled too much lower down and loved the agility of my regular one. Oh sure it was quicker at the top but I just preferred the responsiveness of the lighter turbos. I'm sure it could be chipped for top end for best of both worlds.
Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
the thing is its not just the turbos that are different with a X50 upgrade. You also get a strengthened gear box, GT2 ICs and strengthened clutch. So worth the extra if you find one. Naturally my GT2 has the X50 treatment but its lighter weight and I guess loads of other tweaks by the GT folks make it more agile, but I think turbo wise I's go for standard and enjoy the push 500rpm sooner.
I was just pointing out that in my ownership I never once thought:
"I wish my gearbox was stronger"
or
"I wish I had better IC's"
or
"I wish my clutch was stronger"
monthefish said:
hondansx said:
Just don't kid yourself into thinking they're an investment.
As said above, mine lost basically no money in 2 years 10k miles. Prices have remained stable since. I can't predict the future, but that isn't a bad starting point.
I do think the GT models will be a better investment, but I think decent 996 turbos will do OK long term.
You are judging the Turbo against your needs now. The people buying the likes of 997 GT3 4.0 aren't weighing it up as a daily driver. The point is the 996 Turbo just ain't sexy/fast/scary/otherworldy enough to become an iconic, sought after car in the long term. Doesn't stop it being a great car though.
Also, my comments were based on a response to "Wanna make £££...!" not "Wanna break even over 2 years..." If the topic started with the latter, i would have agreed.
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