911 Turbo vs. Turbo S
Discussion
MOD500 said:
I think pdk, ptv, etc makes for a very capable and exciting drive. I guess the OP could test drive both models to decide if the S or high spec non S with all the kit was worth premium over the cooking standard spec turbo.
The gen 2 turbo vs modded gen 1 turbo scenario is very interesting and one I obsessed over greatly before going gen 2. A decent late gen 1 997 turbo will cost you £50k (?) to buy and then to make a proper road weapon min £10-15k inc. VAT would be required to install **reputable and proven** 540 hp remap / sports exhaust / cats, uprated intercoolers (eg GT2 RS units), air filter, uprated clutch, Bilstein or similar suspension, upgraded brakes (for non pccb cars), etc. This budget excludes any repairs and overhaul work required during the mod work due to age and / or wear e.g O2 sensors, hoses, seals, turbo work, etc. This would create a very, very fast road car that would handle wondrously .... how would compare to the say gen 2 turbo S cross country I guess comes down to drivers, etc. At v-max style event the two cars should achieve similar speeds over same distance?
The moot point here for me was that you are spending pretty much the same £ in creating modded gen 1 as buying nice gen 2. Further if you want to soundly trounce a gen 2 you would be upgrading turbos on gen 1 plus other work to achieve a **real** 600 hp, so adding another say min £5k to mondding budget.
I decided to go gen 2 due to wanting turn key OPC warrantied ownership experience, and not be worried should any mechanical failure occur, etc.
Creating a modded turbo monster is great and very exciting, the rush when on the gas is unparalleled and makes the factory offering seem almost pedestrian. From experience of owning modded 993 turbo in the past, the monster turbo route is worthwhile sojourning if you are looking to keep for long time, accept fact it will cost more to run ref repairs / periodic overhaul, understand you will have limited or no warranty cover, and will be difficult (price dependent) to sell further down the line.
Where has the OP gone ?
Spot onThe gen 2 turbo vs modded gen 1 turbo scenario is very interesting and one I obsessed over greatly before going gen 2. A decent late gen 1 997 turbo will cost you £50k (?) to buy and then to make a proper road weapon min £10-15k inc. VAT would be required to install **reputable and proven** 540 hp remap / sports exhaust / cats, uprated intercoolers (eg GT2 RS units), air filter, uprated clutch, Bilstein or similar suspension, upgraded brakes (for non pccb cars), etc. This budget excludes any repairs and overhaul work required during the mod work due to age and / or wear e.g O2 sensors, hoses, seals, turbo work, etc. This would create a very, very fast road car that would handle wondrously .... how would compare to the say gen 2 turbo S cross country I guess comes down to drivers, etc. At v-max style event the two cars should achieve similar speeds over same distance?
The moot point here for me was that you are spending pretty much the same £ in creating modded gen 1 as buying nice gen 2. Further if you want to soundly trounce a gen 2 you would be upgrading turbos on gen 1 plus other work to achieve a **real** 600 hp, so adding another say min £5k to mondding budget.
I decided to go gen 2 due to wanting turn key OPC warrantied ownership experience, and not be worried should any mechanical failure occur, etc.
Creating a modded turbo monster is great and very exciting, the rush when on the gas is unparalleled and makes the factory offering seem almost pedestrian. From experience of owning modded 993 turbo in the past, the monster turbo route is worthwhile sojourning if you are looking to keep for long time, accept fact it will cost more to run ref repairs / periodic overhaul, understand you will have limited or no warranty cover, and will be difficult (price dependent) to sell further down the line.
Where has the OP gone ?
MOD500 said:
I think pdk, ptv, etc makes for a very capable and exciting drive. I guess the OP could test drive both models to decide if the S or high spec non S with all the kit was worth premium over the cooking standard spec turbo.
The gen 2 turbo vs modded gen 1 turbo scenario is very interesting and one I obsessed over greatly before going gen 2. A decent late gen 1 997 turbo will cost you £50k (?) to buy and then to make a proper road weapon min £10-15k inc. VAT would be required to install **reputable and proven** 540 hp remap / sports exhaust / cats, uprated intercoolers (eg GT2 RS units), air filter, uprated clutch, Bilstein or similar suspension, upgraded brakes (for non pccb cars), etc. This budget excludes any repairs and overhaul work required during the mod work due to age and / or wear e.g O2 sensors, hoses, seals, turbo work, etc. This would create a very, very fast road car that would handle wondrously .... how would compare to the say gen 2 turbo S cross country I guess comes down to drivers, etc. At v-max style event the two cars should achieve similar speeds over same distance?
The moot point here for me was that you are spending pretty much the same £ in creating modded gen 1 as buying nice gen 2. Further if you want to soundly trounce a gen 2 you would be upgrading turbos on gen 1 plus other work to achieve a **real** 600 hp, so adding another say min £5k to modding budget.
I decided to go gen 2 due to wanting turn key OPC warrantied ownership experience, and not be worried should any mechanical failure occur, etc.
Creating a modded turbo monster is great and very exciting, the rush when on the gas is unparalleled and makes the factory offering seem almost pedestrian. From experience of owning modded 993 turbo in the past, the monster turbo route is worthwhile sojourning if you are looking to keep for long time, accept fact it will cost more to run ref repairs / periodic overhaul, understand you will have limited or no warranty cover, and will be difficult (price dependent) to sell further down the line.
Where has the OP gone ?
Very well thought out.The gen 2 turbo vs modded gen 1 turbo scenario is very interesting and one I obsessed over greatly before going gen 2. A decent late gen 1 997 turbo will cost you £50k (?) to buy and then to make a proper road weapon min £10-15k inc. VAT would be required to install **reputable and proven** 540 hp remap / sports exhaust / cats, uprated intercoolers (eg GT2 RS units), air filter, uprated clutch, Bilstein or similar suspension, upgraded brakes (for non pccb cars), etc. This budget excludes any repairs and overhaul work required during the mod work due to age and / or wear e.g O2 sensors, hoses, seals, turbo work, etc. This would create a very, very fast road car that would handle wondrously .... how would compare to the say gen 2 turbo S cross country I guess comes down to drivers, etc. At v-max style event the two cars should achieve similar speeds over same distance?
The moot point here for me was that you are spending pretty much the same £ in creating modded gen 1 as buying nice gen 2. Further if you want to soundly trounce a gen 2 you would be upgrading turbos on gen 1 plus other work to achieve a **real** 600 hp, so adding another say min £5k to modding budget.
I decided to go gen 2 due to wanting turn key OPC warrantied ownership experience, and not be worried should any mechanical failure occur, etc.
Creating a modded turbo monster is great and very exciting, the rush when on the gas is unparalleled and makes the factory offering seem almost pedestrian. From experience of owning modded 993 turbo in the past, the monster turbo route is worthwhile sojourning if you are looking to keep for long time, accept fact it will cost more to run ref repairs / periodic overhaul, understand you will have limited or no warranty cover, and will be difficult (price dependent) to sell further down the line.
Where has the OP gone ?
Adam B said:
I am not upset thanks, I even winked to prove it.
I was feeling sorry for the OP who asked a specific question about .2 turbo vs .2 turbo S. Anyway whatever - shame the OP hasn't actually come back on the advice, whether relevant or not
Apologies for the delay in replying, been snowed....I thought the topic had been buried, didnt realise it would be so popular.I was feeling sorry for the OP who asked a specific question about .2 turbo vs .2 turbo S. Anyway whatever - shame the OP hasn't actually come back on the advice, whether relevant or not
Thanks for the replies, you can always count on PH for some great insight.
Further question, is it possible to source standard Turbo models with some of the S features, presumably they were fitted as options? e.g. PTV
Personally, I'm thinking that a 997.2 standard Turbo with some options is the best value, the current Turbo S market is edging close to making a 991 seem like good value!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
As an example this one has PTV and dynamic engine mounts
As an example this one has PTV and dynamic engine mounts
Adam B said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
As an example this one has PTV and dynamic engine mounts
Cheapest in OPC network. Seat backs looks lovely if body colour centre console added they would match nicely. No idea why they can't be arsed to clean the tips;)As an example this one has PTV and dynamic engine mounts
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