997 turbo gen1 or gen2?
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FeelingLucky said:
Chad_Hugo said:
High spec/reasonable miles/good colour versions post 2007 gen 1 and 2010/2011 gen 2 cars should do well value wise, neither will lose a massive amount and both imo are a very good buy now.
Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values!
My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want...
Broadly on topic- does anyone know the number of UK 997 Turbo S cars vs. regular Turbo gen 2? I ask because over the last few months the number of Turbo S for sale and sold seems to be very high. I recall reading somewhere there were more of them than non turbo S which sounds a bit odd- is this true?
Like yourself, I was looking for a Gen2 Turbo and as you have already commented on there "appears to be more "S" for sale than non "S".Anyone who has viewed some cars will also know that the number of really good cars out there is not that high, there is OPC and the well known specialists of which there are 3-4- not many cars between them and very very few Gen 2 PDK available regardless of price- good for values!
My search for a gen 2 car looks like it will take a while, can't find a single car with the colour/spec I want...
Broadly on topic- does anyone know the number of UK 997 Turbo S cars vs. regular Turbo gen 2? I ask because over the last few months the number of Turbo S for sale and sold seems to be very high. I recall reading somewhere there were more of them than non turbo S which sounds a bit odd- is this true?
My daily was a Gen1 Turbo Man, and as the only available cars (at the time) were "S", therefore that is what I test drove. As has already been commented upon within this thread and elsewhere, the difference between Gen1 and 2 really knocked me for six, I wasn't expecting anywhere near the level of improvement I witnessed.
I would never have considered a Tip, but coming from a M3 SMG I wasn't unduly biased against paddleshifts. In this respect the PDK was a revelation. Long story short I placed a deposit and completed within the week. It truly is a car for all seasons, relaxed cruiser when in the mood, and rabid axe murderer when in a different mood.
Possibly things have changed now, but a year ago "S" versions were not commanding much of a premium, and I was able to get into mine for sensible money. If you can get one for the right money, and don't object to PDK (try one before dismissing out of hand) the "S" is a bit of a no brainer as it has all the nice gadgets as standard.
I wasn't able to get "Ideal spec" but I only compromised on rear wipe, despite what some say, I don't think they ruin the lines, and are definitely useful at times.
If you don't mind me asking, what for you is essential, and what is preferred?
Edited by FeelingLucky on Wednesday 3rd September 04:34
I would be open to paying the extra 6k-10k for an S if it mean getting the colour/spec I want.
My ideal spec would be GT/arctic silver, aero kit, standard wheels i.e. non spyder, black leather sub 30k miles. Warranty essential.
I know this exact spec is not going to come up any time soon if at all. There is a serious lack of decent gen 2 cars, there's hardly any for sale period, let alone one's matching my specific requirements.
I'm not keen on black cars, they hide the lines of the 997 too much and it's a stunningly beautiful car to me (doesn't get the credit it deserves), so IMO needs to be in a lighter colour. White is also definitely out as I am just not a fan of white cars period.
The aero kit I would compromise on, would maybe consider a grey car (meteor grey metallic not atlas or slate).
Enjoy your Turbo S- awesome car!
That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point 
Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising
, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.
Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising
, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.Chad_Hugo said:
That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point
Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.
I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising
, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32
Carl_Docklands said:
Chad_Hugo said:
That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point
Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.
I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising
, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32
Carl_Docklands said:
Chad_Hugo said:
That sounds perfect- would be in the region of 85k at OPC though I assume. I have set myself a max budget of around 75k which I really do want to stick to at this point
Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.
I believe that car has popped up a few times on the classifieds. Its either been for sale for a while (6 months plus) or has been repeatedly re-advertised. Has anyone been to see or know anything about the white S at automotive dreams in Birmingham?
I know it currently has less than 6 months warranty, colour and presence of rear wiper in particular are not ideal- but still would be interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who has seen or driven the car.
Initial contact with the garage was far from promising
, I have heard the business has changed hands several times over the years.The black turbo S cab at mid-sussex looks tidy.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Tuesday 16th September 20:32
I would be interested to hear if anyone knows anything about the car? Unfortunately it does have the rear windscreen wiper, which ruins the lines of the car for me, but could potentially be removed? Other bad point is warranty has less than 6 months left.
The guy I spoke to seemed disinterested and knew very little about the car, failed to get back to me with some pretty basic info as well, so not a good start, but if someone can verify it is a straight car, knows one of it's former keepers, has been to see it etc, it could still be worth looking at....
There is only one gen 2 OPC silver (preferred colour, especially arctic) car available around 75k at the moment- again has the rear wiper!!
I see your point, but for me with aero kit in a way it's more of an issue.
The aero gives the rear of the car a much more aggressive appearance, to me it makes the rear wiper look even more out of place.
The white Turbo S in Birmingham I was asking about was apparently on reg 45T- anyone know the car?
The aero gives the rear of the car a much more aggressive appearance, to me it makes the rear wiper look even more out of place.
The white Turbo S in Birmingham I was asking about was apparently on reg 45T- anyone know the car?
Well, since starting the thread in August I've been going around the houses about how to get back into a 911. Considered everything from a nice (and financially sensible) facelift 996 Carrera, 997 Carrera, 996 Turbo, 997 Turbo right up to 996 GT2. 997 GT2 unfortunately way out of reach. Even thought about swerving a 911 completely and getting an Exige S. Talk about all over the place.
At various times they all made sense for various reasons - 996 turbo and GT2 (if you can find one that hasn't been through a hedge) depreciation proof, Carreras are a lot of car for the money. 997 Turbo good combination of decent interior, looks, modernity while still having a lot of the qualities which attract me to 911s before the advent of electric steering, PDK, PTV etc.
In the end I've gone with my first instinct and opted for an 08 997 Turbo, short-shift manual, low miles, recent OPC car, nice spec. On the way to look at it, I did my best to convince myself that I wouldn't buy it and would go for a cheaper option. Then I made the mistake of driving it. Hadn't driven a 911 for nearly 4 years and it just felt right so that was the end of that - there is no substitute. Feels like I've found something that was missing. Pick it up tomorrow. Pics to follow.
Thanks for the input.
At various times they all made sense for various reasons - 996 turbo and GT2 (if you can find one that hasn't been through a hedge) depreciation proof, Carreras are a lot of car for the money. 997 Turbo good combination of decent interior, looks, modernity while still having a lot of the qualities which attract me to 911s before the advent of electric steering, PDK, PTV etc.
In the end I've gone with my first instinct and opted for an 08 997 Turbo, short-shift manual, low miles, recent OPC car, nice spec. On the way to look at it, I did my best to convince myself that I wouldn't buy it and would go for a cheaper option. Then I made the mistake of driving it. Hadn't driven a 911 for nearly 4 years and it just felt right so that was the end of that - there is no substitute. Feels like I've found something that was missing. Pick it up tomorrow. Pics to follow.
Thanks for the input.
Adam B said:
IMI A
trying desperately to keep mine stock, maybe just exhaust
what is different about GT2 turbos?
what mods are best bang for buck? Assume exhaust and remap?
GT2 turbos give you a bit more power than stock turbos - 9e do not quote power figures but 650bhp from 2200 rpm probably about right give or take 30bhp and my car now covers 0-186mph in less than 28 secs (stock 41 secs) which is v.similar to GT2 RS performance. Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche.trying desperately to keep mine stock, maybe just exhaust
what is different about GT2 turbos?
what mods are best bang for buck? Assume exhaust and remap?
Yes best bang for buck is an exhaust and remap at £5k and up to 140mph its probably as quick as my car - if you mod you stock turbos by sending them to RS Tuning/Parr its a beautiful package. Speak to Lawrence at Parr or Ken at 9e. Shame not to use the full potential of the Mezger
Adam B said:
IMIA said:
Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche.
You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debthttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54...
IMIA said:
Adam B said:
IMIA said:
Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche.
You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debthttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54...
Callughan said:
IMIA said:
Adam B said:
IMIA said:
Not cheap though at £20,995 + vat for everything fitted. Bear in mind the GT2 turbos alone are £6k + vat from Porsche.
You appear to have cured me, I am forever in your debthttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTtI_Rv8o54...
Having said that I will only believe it when I pull up next to a 991 turbo S myself at the next VMAX and show it a clean set of heels. Seat of the pants the 991 turbo S feels quicker to me but this also demonstrates that out of the box the 997 turbo's chassis can comfortably handle 650bhp.
Few more pics
Here it is. As far as I know the car is on a standard map and I am finding it silly quick - much more than I expected. My previous 911 was a 996 turbo with a remap and I'm pretty sure this car is quicker. It's boosting to 1.0 bar if that's any indication of whether it's been remapped.
I'm really impressed so far and can't think of anything that needs changing, apart from the knackered battery.
I'm really impressed so far and can't think of anything that needs changing, apart from the knackered battery.
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