Whats the next Porsche to go ballistic?
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Given the frankly incredible rises in pretty much anything air cooled in the last 2 years, I am wondering whats next? Assuming of course that the Porsche world is not about to come crashing down.
996 turbos are strong. 968CS? 928GTS? Or what about the 944 turbo?
Thoughts?
Given the frankly incredible rises in pretty much anything air cooled in the last 2 years, I am wondering whats next? Assuming of course that the Porsche world is not about to come crashing down.
996 turbos are strong. 968CS? 928GTS? Or what about the 944 turbo?
Thoughts?
Probably not next in line, but I reckon early Boxsters in mint condition will start going up in value at some point. They are great cars and currently very cheap for what they are due to large volumes and many cars in poor condition. But give it another decade or so and the remaining low mileage cherished examples should start to become quite sought after. If I had the garage space I'd probably buy a low mileage mint 986/987S and just keep it for a couple of decades.
In the current market, I still think there are still a few undervalued Porsche models when you look at prices of similar cars:-
911 SC - Every bit as good and arguably better than an early 3.0 Carrera or later C3.2. For me it was a no-brainer to tuck one away a few years ago when they were still free with a packet of Cornflakes.
911 C3.2 - Already starting to take off, but still a relative bargain in the air-cooled world.
944 - Considering their excellent handling and strong performance (especially in Turbo form) they are still bloody cheap!
996 C2/C4/Turbo - All very very cheap for what you actually get. Currently going through the unloved 911 phase as did the 964 after the 993 came out. Everyone talks about the Turbo, but a lot of future "classic" buyers are likely to prefer the bog standard C2 or pretty C4S in the long haul. Once the supply starts to dry up and remaining engines are routinely bomb-proofed by the likes of Hartech, then the 996 has got to be a future classic.
In the current market, I still think there are still a few undervalued Porsche models when you look at prices of similar cars:-
911 SC - Every bit as good and arguably better than an early 3.0 Carrera or later C3.2. For me it was a no-brainer to tuck one away a few years ago when they were still free with a packet of Cornflakes.
911 C3.2 - Already starting to take off, but still a relative bargain in the air-cooled world.
944 - Considering their excellent handling and strong performance (especially in Turbo form) they are still bloody cheap!
996 C2/C4/Turbo - All very very cheap for what you actually get. Currently going through the unloved 911 phase as did the 964 after the 993 came out. Everyone talks about the Turbo, but a lot of future "classic" buyers are likely to prefer the bog standard C2 or pretty C4S in the long haul. Once the supply starts to dry up and remaining engines are routinely bomb-proofed by the likes of Hartech, then the 996 has got to be a future classic.
mollytherocker said:
Assuming of course that the Porsche world is not about to come crashing down.
Even as someone with vested interest I’d say that they will have to come down sooner rather than later. The signs are on the wall, just look at some of the recent auction results. When the music stops this time, Porsches will be the ones that take the biggest hit.That being said I’d pick up a very clean 914-6, a 996 GT3RS and possibly even a Cayman GT4 which may turn out to be Porsche’s last manual enthusiast car, maybe even limited in numbers, in which case it’d almost like a second chance at a baby 4.0 RS (pure speculation of course).
Boxster Spyder imo
I want to buy a Lambo 570-4 or a 50th ed 2wd car but just keep thinking the Spyders are going to go big.
so cannot free up the funds to get into a super car.
I think a Lambo now looks quite cheap over the Porsche brand and some rare 1 of 1 models about.
http://www.sytner.co.uk/lamborghini/birmingham/use...
that should stay strong imo or go up.
I want to buy a Lambo 570-4 or a 50th ed 2wd car but just keep thinking the Spyders are going to go big.
so cannot free up the funds to get into a super car.
I think a Lambo now looks quite cheap over the Porsche brand and some rare 1 of 1 models about.
http://www.sytner.co.uk/lamborghini/birmingham/use...
that should stay strong imo or go up.
I cant agree re Lambos - they are, rightly or wrongly, seen by most people with money as fairly tasteless (at least in recent years). I cant see many people wanting to pull up for canapés at a country pile in something that looks so crude.
I would expect that anything with the following characteristics still has some climbing to do, albeit perhaps not for a while:-
(1) Fairly low volume - a problem for Boxsters generally but not the Spyder.
(2) Manual.
(3) "Special" - this overlaps with (1) but also catches things like funny roof (Spyder) and engine and/or suspension tweaks over the usual versions (997 GTS, GT4 etc).
If Porsche doesn't make many GT4s, I expect that they wont lose a great deal of value for about 5 years and then will climb a bit after 10.
Porsches really do seem to be in high demand at the moment, even at the low value end of the market - according to my searches, my 987.2 has lost no value since I bought it a year ago and put 12k miles on it. I'll of course not get that for it, but the sticker price for equivalent cars is the same as I paid for a car that was a year younger and had half the miles.
O/T, but what the hell is going on with E90 M3s? The new M3/M4 is not remotely attractive to me (and so, I guess, lots of people) and yet the old E90/92 is still as cheap as chips. I think they will climb quite quickly once they bottom out (which must be soon), not least given that hardly any other fast saloons are available in manual form (let alone having that V8).
I would expect that anything with the following characteristics still has some climbing to do, albeit perhaps not for a while:-
(1) Fairly low volume - a problem for Boxsters generally but not the Spyder.
(2) Manual.
(3) "Special" - this overlaps with (1) but also catches things like funny roof (Spyder) and engine and/or suspension tweaks over the usual versions (997 GTS, GT4 etc).
If Porsche doesn't make many GT4s, I expect that they wont lose a great deal of value for about 5 years and then will climb a bit after 10.
Porsches really do seem to be in high demand at the moment, even at the low value end of the market - according to my searches, my 987.2 has lost no value since I bought it a year ago and put 12k miles on it. I'll of course not get that for it, but the sticker price for equivalent cars is the same as I paid for a car that was a year younger and had half the miles.
O/T, but what the hell is going on with E90 M3s? The new M3/M4 is not remotely attractive to me (and so, I guess, lots of people) and yet the old E90/92 is still as cheap as chips. I think they will climb quite quickly once they bottom out (which must be soon), not least given that hardly any other fast saloons are available in manual form (let alone having that V8).
When I was in the 996 Turbo market in the second half of 2013 I definately saw the prices of low mileage manual examples rise,with the Turbo S rising substantially.
This resulted in me buying a 997 Turbo instead due to there being less than 10K separating 996 Turbo S and Gen 1 997 Turbo with the same mileage and a year or two difference in age.
I can't really see this top end of the 996 Turbo market rising anymore due to the ceiling presented by the 997.
What I can see is the 20-22K bottom end of the market rising to a 25-27K.
Good 944 Turbos are hard to find (SE 250bhp) and every other 944 is a poor relation.
There is a 1972 2.4L in good nick for sale near me for 50K (restored with good provenance).
A few years ago that was 2.7RS money.
This resulted in me buying a 997 Turbo instead due to there being less than 10K separating 996 Turbo S and Gen 1 997 Turbo with the same mileage and a year or two difference in age.
I can't really see this top end of the 996 Turbo market rising anymore due to the ceiling presented by the 997.
What I can see is the 20-22K bottom end of the market rising to a 25-27K.
Good 944 Turbos are hard to find (SE 250bhp) and every other 944 is a poor relation.
There is a 1972 2.4L in good nick for sale near me for 50K (restored with good provenance).
A few years ago that was 2.7RS money.
Edited by CGJJ on Tuesday 9th September 09:58
Edited by CGJJ on Tuesday 9th September 10:04
mrdemon said:
I want to buy a Lambo 570-4 or a 50th ed 2wd car but just keep thinking the Spyders are going to go big.
so cannot free up the funds to get into a super car.
No doubt a future classic, but I think you will be waiting a very very long time for it to go "big" unless you mean it might hold onto its value or go up slightly in the next few years. Would you really want to miss out on your supercar on the basis that your Spyder might be worth a lot of money in say 25 years time? so cannot free up the funds to get into a super car.
ORD said:
I cant agree re Lambos - they are, rightly or wrongly, seen by most people with money as fairly tasteless (at least in recent years). I cant see many people wanting to pull up for canapés at a country pile in something that looks so crude.
Lambos have already gone, a couple of years ago you could have got yourself into a nice Countach or Diablo for a lot less than £100k, no longer. Murci's will follow suit, if not already.
Would love one.
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