Caymen R until 991 GT3 ?

[Slippydiff]

braddo said:

Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm.

Firmly, hit, nail, head, on, the.

Sunny D doth protesteth too much, methinks

[mrdemon]

braddo said:

Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm.

deluded if you are driving about in 3rd gear at 55mph and think you are on it !!!

for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!)

both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel.

[Alpinestars]

D, I'm not an expert on the 981, but isn't top speed in 3rd just over 100? Can't see anywhere that's it's over 118.

[mrdemon]

Alpinestars said:

D, I'm not an expert on the 981, but isn't top speed in 3rd just over 100? Can't see anywhere that's it's over 118.

in a PDK car yes it 103mph, It's very hard to find the 981 manual in gear speeds, 118mph was taken from a member here who owns one.

ALso remember when talking Torque and how drivable a car is the GT3 peak torque is >6k rpm the R peak is down at 4750rpm.

Edited by mrdemon on Monday 17th November 19:18

[Alpinestars]

mrdemon said:

in a PDK car yes it 103mph, It's very hard to find the 981 manual in gear speeds, 118mph was taken from a member here who owns one.

Ah ok.

[mrdemon]

I don't care any way, I sold my car because that's what I found an issue for my driving on the roads round here.

It's as simple as that, other people might like not being able to rev out the mezger engine and the owner ship is enough.

I found by the time I got the baby singing in 3rd ie > 6k revs it was time to be on the brakes again and 2nd ran out of puff

So you are find yourself driving at cira 5k revs in 3rd gear which to me was very frustrating, so I sold it.

[V8KSN]

mrdemon said:

I don't care any way, I sold my car because that's what I found an issue for my driving on the roads round here.

It's as simple as that, other people might like not being able to rev out the mezger engine and the owner ship is enough.

I found by the time I got the baby singing in 3rd ie > 6k revs it was time to be on the brakes again and 2nd ran out of puff

So you are find yourself driving at cira 5k revs in 3rd gear which to me was very frustrating, so I sold it.

You say 'Other people may like not being able to rev it out and the ownership is enough - That is a massively skewed view that makes MANY assumptions.

[jackwood]

mrdemon said:

it's about owning both cars and finding that for me and the roads I use that extra speed was hard to get too, the GT3 engine sweet spot is much higer up the rev range, it's not about 2nd gear, it's more about reving out in 3rd on B roads was not really possible.
the GT3 is 116 mph, my R 104 mph, but where you don't need to rev the R out to the max , in the GT3 you wanted to rev it out.

I see Jack has also decided to NOT use his GT3 as a every day car now and has a shorter ratio GTS to use ;-)

SO as you can see it's nothing to do with magazines, it's all about my OWN experiences and what I like and how I found the GT3 frustrating, please accept it :-)

The only reason I stopped using the GT3 is because we adopted another child last year and I need 4 seats to do the school run. Otherwise I'd still be using it.

I have to say that even the Powerkitted 3.8 in the GTS feels pretty lacklustre compared to the GT3. I honestly can't see how anyone would chose a boggo 3.4, 3.6 or 3.8 unit, in any guise, over a GT3 unit. Regardless of gearing.

[cslwannabe]

so you'd be holding the car at 3rd gear at circa 85 leptons on an A/B road indefinitely or are you talking about wanting to overtake something at that speed?

[mrdemon]

cslwannabe said:

so you'd be holding the car at 3rd gear at circa 85 leptons on an A/B road indefinitely or are you talking about wanting to overtake something at that speed?

do you go and drive B roads ? or have owned a GT3 ?

you prob don't drop below 65mph and don't go above about 95mph speed is never constant.

I found the GT3 was hard to rev out in 3rd on a Typical B road, ok on the A43 lol but then that's not my idea of a fun drive out.
And of course 30mph over any legal speed is a ban so sort of rules out having a A road play.

at cira 85mph you are over 2nd gear and at 5k revs in 3rd, I found it frustrating, it's as simple as that.
you would not change down to 2nd for a 75mph bend as an example so then the revs are even lower at 4k, you are now >2k away from any real shove.

the cars at it's best 6200rpm to red line. that was a rare site for me. which was about 90mph to 120mph and that just does not work in the UK on B roads.

these are est figures of course I had the car 2 years ago , but that's why I sold it and give or take how I found it to drive.

Right road right day yes awesome, but that was so rare.

the Spyder and R are better B road cars to get the most out of, there are many ex GT3 owners in R now who will agree.

Yes if you are a Spa or ring person the GT3 will shine and kill most other things, or on UK tracks like Silverstone.

But as many GT3 are sold as "never seen a track" I do wonder why those people then love them so much !!!
That's my last post on the matter as I have done it to death :-)

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 18th November 09:22

[braddo]

mrdemon said:

braddo said:

Funny how opinions differ. If the average speed on a nice A/B road was around 85 mph I would find the GT3's third gear perfect - peak torque in 3rd is somewhere around 55mph and top speed is 120, so 85 mph is right in the middle of a nice big zone from 5000rpm to 8400rpm.

deluded if you are driving about in 3rd gear at 55mph and think you are on it !!!

for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!)

both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel.

Yeah I got it wrong. 55mph and around 5300rpm is 2nd gear, not 3rd.

In 3rd, you're somewhere around 70mph at 5000rpm. Which still gives good urge if you're not able to change down to 2nd (which runs out to about 85mph).

[cslwannabe]

It wasn't intended as a windup mrdemon, a genuine question as driving for prolonged periods at 6k+ rpm within a smallish speed window isn't something I'd consider. Even holding on to a gear at 5k+ rpm when I've been interrupted during an overtake for example (but can see another opportunity) feels mechanically 'unsympathetic' to me

To answer your questions yes I do go and drive B roads and no I have not owned a GT3, although from by brief test drive of a 996.1 GT3 I found it to have more torque low down than I was expecting. At the speeds you mention even in my humble Boxster I find it has enough grunt without dropping to low gears to apply power and keep the car balanced through corners - maybe I'm just missing the point (not trying to be controntational, just curious). I do understand your point about long gear ratios though as even my 987.1 will do 70+ in 2nd and 100+ in 3rd.

[Slippydiff]

mrdemon said:

for slippy to agree says it all (even though NO one can keep you with him in wales !!)

both deluded and blinkered fan boys it seems to post such drivel.

Grate grammer, whooz using the familee brane sell today ?

Remind me Sunny D, when did I say no one can keep up with me in Wales ?

So if we're deluded and blinkered fan boys, what exactly does that make you ? Once again the irony is strong with this one

mrdemon said:

That's my last post on the matter

Promise ?

mrdemon said:

as I have done it to death :-)

Ah, finally, we agree on something. ;-)

mrdemon said:

Edited by mrdemon on Tuesday 18th November 09:22

^ I thought you'd banned editing posts ?

[mrdemon]

"I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) "


you are so fasssstttt... ;-)

[Slippydiff]

mrdemon said:

That's my last post on the matter

A poor effort. Must try harder

mrdemon said:

"I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) "


you are so fasssstttt... ;-)

Maybe, but I'm happy to admit I'll never be as fast as you in your Cayman.

So far from saying no one could keep up with me, what I actually said was the Spyder kept up with me until it's inferior brakes wilted. Not quite the same is it ?

As you're forever doing on here, you've got some nonsense into your head and convinced yourself it's a fact

Here's a few more Sunny D FACTS :

1. 10K refresh needed on all GT3's, 2. Fingers dirty : PCCB unserviceable, 3. Fingers clean :PCCB's serviceable, 4. 5mm spacers on the front of a CR or Boxster Spyder : Mercedes F1 W05 levels of grip and turn in, 5. GT3 : hopeless road car, 6. 991 GT3 : hopeless road car that crashes of its own accord, 7. 996 GT3 : hopeless road car with no torque, useless gear ratios and hopeless suspension, 8. Gen 2 997 GT3 : good car, 9. Gen 2 997 GT3 with added Sunny D bits, very good car.

(Note FACTS 8 & 9 contradict FACT 5) but All the above are still FACTS

[keep it lit]

mrdemon said:

"I got to be lead gunner in the morning, I thus led down roads I knew fairly well. The only car that managed to keep up with the Manthey GT3 ? The Boxster Spyder (albeit it’s brakes began to fade badly and then the pedal went rather spongy for the rest of the day) "


you are so fasssstttt... ;-)

It's been my upmost pleasure to share many very early morning blasts round NW over the years with our H.. he usually comes equipt packing a Mezger, but on some occasions he's even slummed it in a Bavarian M car H can pedal nearly as well as he can wolf down a full English served by Bala's finest trust me !







I've also had the pleasure of sharing the track with you grandma-d....... ;-) lol

[Slippydiff]

keep it lit said:

It's been my upmost pleasure to share many very early morning blasts round NW over the years with our H.. he usually comes equipt packing a Mezger, but on some occasions he's even slummed it in a Bavarian M car H can pedal nearly as well as he can wolf down a full English served by Bala's finest trust me !

You're too kind sir ! ! Alas it's the lure of breakfast being served by Bala's finest belle, rather than any inherent talent behind the wheel on my part, that ensures any vehicles being piloted my myself achieves a decent turn of speed !

I suspect Sunny D may have been piqued by me suggesting that said aforementioned Bavarian M metal spanked the Cayman R when Evo put them head to head along with the speedy hairdresser's choice, another vehicle Sunny D is all too familiar with ...........







I've also had the pleasure of sharing the track with you grandma-d....... ;-) lol

[mrdemon]

Slippydiff said:

Maybe, but I'm happy to admit I'll never be as fast as you in your Cayman.

So far from saying no one could keep up with me, what I actually said was the Spyder kept up with me until it's inferior brakes wilted. Not quite the same is it ?

As you're forever doing on here, you've got some nonsense into your head and convinced yourself it's a fact

Here's a few more Sunny D FACTS :

1. 10K refresh needed on all GT3's, 2. Fingers dirty : PCCB unserviceable, 3. Fingers clean :PCCB's serviceable, 4. 5mm spacers on the front of a CR or Boxster Spyder : Mercedes F1 W05 levels of grip and turn in, 5. GT3 : hopeless road car, 6. 991 GT3 : hopeless road car that crashes of its own accord, 7. 996 GT3 : hopeless road car with no torque, useless gear ratios and hopeless suspension, 8. Gen 2 997 GT3 : good car, 9. Gen 2 997 GT3 with added Sunny D bits, very good car.

(Note FACTS 8 & 9 contradict FACT 5) but All the above are still FACTS

not sure on most of those,
1: 10k refresh is now a under est imo if nothing has been done to one (996). more like 10k on a early 997 now ;-) lets go for 13k on a 996.

2: the ceramic disk starts to delamiate and looks rough, as a extra guide this roughness causes your finger to be a lot blacker than if they are shiny and new

3: you will have some pad deposite on your finger but a worn set really kicks off some dust.

4: I did run 7mm spacers on the front or my Spyder but now I have ajustable LCA's which make the track 18mm wider so no need to use my front spacers now.(turn in is much better with the wider front track)

5: onwards no idea wtf you are talking about lol

looks like the Spyder would wip your old GT3 then in PCCB form as my car would out brake yours by quite a margin and never fade on the road :-p
You prob ditched the 996 mk1 brakes though as they were also not up to much !!

I do think a GT3 with Sunny D bits would be a good car, PASM has no place on a GT3 imo and the RS final drive is far better for the car in the UK.
Shame the 997.2 RS are now £170k other wise I would have tried on with a nice set of 3 ways.

I still think the R is the perfect road car for the UK and will prob drive/feel better than this new GT4 unless they can nail the steering feel on it.

[Slippydiff]

mrdemon said:

1: 10k refresh is now a under est imo if nothing has been done to one (996). more like 10k on a early 997 now ;-) lets go for 13k on a 996.

looks like the Spyder would wip your old GT3 then in PCCB form as my car would out brake yours by quite a margin and never fade on the road :-p
You prob ditched the 996 mk1 brakes though as they were also not up to much !!

PASM has no place on a GT3 imo and the RS final drive is far better for the car in the UK.

I still think the R is the perfect road car for the UK

[mrdemon]