991 GT3 RS or 997.2 GT3 RS
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I'm debating currently whether to go for a 991 GT3 RS or look for a low mileage 997.2 GT3 RS. I'm looking for a combination of dream drivers car while investing my money in 4 wheels (it's how I get the misses to buy in)! I'm an avid driver that enjoys spirited road driving and track driving and have settled on the GT3 RS, my question to the serious Porsche people on the forum is; which one would you go for if you couldn't have both, based on a combination of driving dynamics and future value. I know that's a hard question to answer based on the 991 RS still under wraps and I know its impossible to predict the future values but you gut instinct would be good to hear?
My 7.2 GT3 RS stays....only q..is whether I can add a 991 RS.
The first challenge with the 991 RS will be securing a build-slot as - unless you're on the VIP programme, courtesy of a 918 deposit/purchase - then such will be non trivial to access....at least in RHD.
Given this restricted supply and expectations of the car being quite the statement....i would expect firmness to be in the offing on price stability...firm to bullish.
Which I rather expect is the market view...and rather compounds the difficulty in getting one.
The first challenge with the 991 RS will be securing a build-slot as - unless you're on the VIP programme, courtesy of a 918 deposit/purchase - then such will be non trivial to access....at least in RHD.
Given this restricted supply and expectations of the car being quite the statement....i would expect firmness to be in the offing on price stability...firm to bullish.
Which I rather expect is the market view...and rather compounds the difficulty in getting one.
Edited by BMCG on Friday 19th September 08:53
Is there a source for this whole VIP list thing? I have asked twice now and have been told that there is nothing formal in place yet and they will do their usual thing of individual salesmen ringing their favourites and working down the list.
Perhaps a more precise question is this; if you bought a 918 was there a contract/agreement that also says you have first dibs on a GT3 RS?
Perhaps a more precise question is this; if you bought a 918 was there a contract/agreement that also says you have first dibs on a GT3 RS?
I have heard it as well, that as a 918 owner you will be offered an option on the forthcoming 991 GT3 RS. It is an theoretical issue anyway, as there aren't that many 991 GT3 RS RHD being built in the first place, so whether the 918 owners exercise their option or not, it will still be a car that will be difficult to get hold of anyway.
apachesmith, this is a difficult question to answer as nobody has driven a 991 RS yet.
Having said that, If I was in your position it would be a 997 RS hands down!
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
Having said that, If I was in your position it would be a 997 RS hands down!
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
V8KSN said:
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
Thats what I thought....until I drove one. Then I realised I couldn't have been more wrong. So I bought one.Robbo66 said:
V8KSN said:
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
Thats what I thought....until I drove one. Then I realised I couldn't have been more wrong. So I bought one.
The one I drove was a PDK equipped 991 Carrera S - I have to try and get a drive in a 991 GT3. As they are all sold out (and I cant really justify another £75k on top of my car to buy one anyway) I will have to wait till they get one in at the Silverstone experience centre to see for myself.
I hope to be proved wrong!
V8KSN said:
apachesmith, this is a difficult question to answer as nobody has driven a 991 RS yet.
Having said that, If I was in your position it would be a 997 RS hands down!
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
Having owned a 97.1 GT3 and also had the same thoughts as you until a couple of weeks ago I spent 2 days at Spa. I had gearbox issues early in the first day so took the chance to watch/have passenger laps in other cars. There were a couple of 991 GT3's on track. I was truly amazed how good this car is, it's light years ahead of every other GT3 including the 4.0. I'd love to get my hands on a 991 GT3 RS Having said that, If I was in your position it would be a 997 RS hands down!
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
It's a much better looking car in the metal too and sat at the side of a 4.0 the older car looked rather plain in my eyes.
The King is dead....long live the King
Edited by kbooker on Friday 19th September 14:14
V8KSN said:
Robbo66 said:
V8KSN said:
Personally the paddle shift gearboxes do nothing for me. Initially I am amazed at how quick they can change gears and when you are 'properly on it' you can snatch another gear for a fraction of a second that you cant really do in a manual gearbox. After a while the fun wears off and you are left with a massively fast automatic and you are just a passenger controlling how fast you go and how hard you stop...... sorry for the digression
Thats what I thought....until I drove one. Then I realised I couldn't have been more wrong. So I bought one.The one I drove was a PDK equipped 991 Carrera S - I have to try and get a drive in a 991 GT3. As they are all sold out (and I cant really justify another £75k on top of my car to buy one anyway) I will have to wait till they get one in at the Silverstone experience centre to see for myself.
I hope to be proved wrong!
Driven a 4.0 and a 3.8, and would keep the stick in them every time, however they feel ancient in comparison, negatively so IMO.
The 991 GT3 is on another planet, and I don't heap praise easily. The engine is such a tour de force, I would never choose stick shift for this model, as it would simply take from the frantic, all encompassing experience this car offers.
Fist car I have felt this passionate about since the 73RS. Staggering.
Robbo66 said:
Don't compare with any other 991 variant...poles apart. You might as well be driving another marque as regards how different they are.
Driven a 4.0 and a 3.8, and would keep the stick in them every time, however they feel ancient in comparison, negatively so IMO.
The 991 GT3 is on another planet, and I don't heap praise easily. The engine is such a tour de force, I would never choose stick shift for this model, as it would simply take from the frantic, all encompassing experience this car offers.
Fist car I have felt this passionate about since the 73RS. Staggering.
Totally agree, I was firmly in the Mezger/manual camp. After falling out of love with everything new Porsche has to offer this car has reignited my passion for the marque. Staggering sums one up nicely...Driven a 4.0 and a 3.8, and would keep the stick in them every time, however they feel ancient in comparison, negatively so IMO.
The 991 GT3 is on another planet, and I don't heap praise easily. The engine is such a tour de force, I would never choose stick shift for this model, as it would simply take from the frantic, all encompassing experience this car offers.
Fist car I have felt this passionate about since the 73RS. Staggering.
Edited by kbooker on Friday 19th September 15:57
isaldiri said:
Interesting how those who have tried the car either completely are bowled over by it or really don't think it's that much especially compared to the older gt3s. Very little middle ground between those views it seems.
Is that so much about the car or the type of driver?I was fortunate enough to have a Jan14 delivered 991GT3 and I was blown away by the PDK-S. I've come from a long line of manual Porsches, road and race.
The way the PDK-S does what it does is nothing shot of phenomenal. It is always in the right rev range in the right gear at the right time, you point and squirt and boom it comes alive and you're heading at the horizon at a rate that would embarrass a super bike.
The steering feel is better than you'd imagine with it being electric, I can't say that I ever pushed it enough to find it lacking.
The car plays both roles perfectly... it is the "hooker in bed / Lady in public" in a car.
... and that for me was the problem... which is why I gave it back when they did the engine recall.
The 3.8RS feels special ALL of the time. The 991GT3 feels like any 991/cayman/boxster unless you're giving it the goolies.
IMO
The way the PDK-S does what it does is nothing shot of phenomenal. It is always in the right rev range in the right gear at the right time, you point and squirt and boom it comes alive and you're heading at the horizon at a rate that would embarrass a super bike.
The steering feel is better than you'd imagine with it being electric, I can't say that I ever pushed it enough to find it lacking.
The car plays both roles perfectly... it is the "hooker in bed / Lady in public" in a car.
... and that for me was the problem... which is why I gave it back when they did the engine recall.
The 3.8RS feels special ALL of the time. The 991GT3 feels like any 991/cayman/boxster unless you're giving it the goolies.
IMO
Nurburgsingh said:
I was fortunate enough to have a Jan14 delivered 991GT3 and I was blown away by the PDK-S. I've come from a long line of manual Porsches, road and race.
The way the PDK-S does what it does is nothing shot of phenomenal. It is always in the right rev range in the right gear at the right time, you point and squirt and boom it comes alive and you're heading at the horizon at a rate that would embarrass a super bike.
The steering feel is better than you'd imagine with it being electric, I can't say that I ever pushed it enough to find it lacking.
The car plays both roles perfectly... it is the "hooker in bed / Lady in public" in a car.
... and that for me was the problem... which is why I gave it back when they did the engine recall.
The 3.8RS feels special ALL of the time. The 991GT3 feels like any 991/cayman/boxster unless you're giving it the goolies.
IMO
That's refreshingThe way the PDK-S does what it does is nothing shot of phenomenal. It is always in the right rev range in the right gear at the right time, you point and squirt and boom it comes alive and you're heading at the horizon at a rate that would embarrass a super bike.
The steering feel is better than you'd imagine with it being electric, I can't say that I ever pushed it enough to find it lacking.
The car plays both roles perfectly... it is the "hooker in bed / Lady in public" in a car.
... and that for me was the problem... which is why I gave it back when they did the engine recall.
The 3.8RS feels special ALL of the time. The 991GT3 feels like any 991/cayman/boxster unless you're giving it the goolies.
IMO
Interestingly I spoke to multiple OPC's about their potential allocation and what they require from me to register my interest, most are happy with a LOI however a select few are asking for 10k upfront now, where the majority are saying they are not able to accept a deposit until the official announcement from Porsche that they are building the car!
What's other peoples experiences have you had to put up the 10k deposit up front?
What's other peoples experiences have you had to put up the 10k deposit up front?
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