Nitrogen filled tyres
Discussion
Hi all,
I've ordered some MPSS tyres for my car and the supplier uses Nitrogen exclusively. Is this readily available at filling stations around the country should I need it?
Secondly, they suggested that as an emergency I could top up with air and then I could go back and they would empty them and refill again.
Any thoughts on the above points and are there any real world benefits of using nitrogen when not on the track.
Cheers
I've ordered some MPSS tyres for my car and the supplier uses Nitrogen exclusively. Is this readily available at filling stations around the country should I need it?
Secondly, they suggested that as an emergency I could top up with air and then I could go back and they would empty them and refill again.
Any thoughts on the above points and are there any real world benefits of using nitrogen when not on the track.
Cheers
There are many suck performance tweaks, and my sense is that there is no value. I am a good, but not especially great driver, and never reach the edge of performance with my car that a very talented driver would. The benefit of nitrogen would be zero for me.
I can improve performance by:
-more time with a good coach
-a month on a diet and more time at the gym
-studying tracks thoroughly
- a return to the skidpad for a refresh
Its like buying professional golf clubs or the like. Its much more about maximizing your own input than marginal improvements to the equipment.....
I can improve performance by:
-more time with a good coach
-a month on a diet and more time at the gym
-studying tracks thoroughly
- a return to the skidpad for a refresh
Its like buying professional golf clubs or the like. Its much more about maximizing your own input than marginal improvements to the equipment.....
Thought as much given that the likelihood of them removing the air from the tyre prior to re inflation is very low. I was of the opinion that it was marketing guff at very best prior to posting. Was just curious if there was something I had missed.
Looks like I'll be eating lettuce and tweaking aero to optimise my coffee run in the mornings. Looking forward to the arrival of Michelin Pilot Super Sports for the next track day. Will be interesting to compare against the PS2's.
Looks like I'll be eating lettuce and tweaking aero to optimise my coffee run in the mornings. Looking forward to the arrival of Michelin Pilot Super Sports for the next track day. Will be interesting to compare against the PS2's.
Nitrogen doesn't add any performance by the fact that it's Nitrogen.. zero.. the only benefit is the thermal stability.. so your tyres don't increase in pressure 5 or 6psi on a track day, or 2/3 from winter to summer, so for track work it can have advantages because it's more stable, but that's only if you get all the moisture out, and purge all the air out of the tyre to start with.., any moisture in the air causes the pressures to climb with heat.
Edit.. Dry Nitrogen is more stable as above but not neutral.. pressure does increase with temp, but only by about 1psi.. not the 5/6 experienced with air..
I've not tried H2O, as fluids don't compress very well last time I checked, and I suspect that might not help with the unsprung weight either .. ;o)
Edit.. Dry Nitrogen is more stable as above but not neutral.. pressure does increase with temp, but only by about 1psi.. not the 5/6 experienced with air..
I've not tried H2O, as fluids don't compress very well last time I checked, and I suspect that might not help with the unsprung weight either .. ;o)
Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Monday 22 September 09:03
Not so. PV=nRT, so a tyre filled with dry nitrogen will experience an increase in pressure as temperature rises comparable to a tyre filled with moist air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law
RatBoy M3CSL said:
I've not tried H2O, as fluids don't compress very well last time I checked, and I suspect that might not help with the unsprung weight either .. ;o)
on the question of compressibility..and fluids..a distinct difference between a liquid and gas..(both fluids) is that the liquid is essentially incompressible..at least to a first order approximation.
cf: (ex Wiki) In physics, a fluid is a substance that continually deforms (flows) under an applied shear stress. Fluids are a subset of the phase of matter and include liquids, gases, plasmas and, to some extent, plastic solids. Fluids can be defined as substances which has zero shear modulus or in simpler terms a fluid is a substance which cannot resist any shear force applied to it.
Although the term "fluid" includes both the liquid and gas phases, in common usage, "fluid" is often used as a synonym for "liquid", with no implication that gas could also be present.
Edited by BMCG on Sunday 21st September 16:15
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