997 Turbo Gen 1.5?
Discussion
Adam B said:
absolutely but that is not the debate
997 gen 1 turbo - Mezger with PCM 2.1
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997 "gen 1.5" turbo - Mezger with PCM 3
OP asked difference between a 1.5 and a straight gen 1 or gen 2 - this gives the interior uplift of the gen 2 with the guts of the gen 1. So condition being equal - this is my pick of the 997 turbos.997 gen 1 turbo - Mezger with PCM 2.1
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997 "gen 1.5" turbo - Mezger with PCM 3
csmith319 said:
this gives the interior uplift of the gen 2 with the guts of the gen 1. So condition being equal - this is my pick of the 997 turbos.
agreed, sorry you lost me with the question about Mezger when previous comments were talking about the PCM change, but I see where you coming from.My hunch is that 997 manual turbos will hold their value well, regardless of 1.0 or 1.1
versionEdited by Adam B on Monday 22 September 14:46
nwates said:
Is the PCM 3 only limited to 2009 Gen 1 cars or is there a cut off dates as I am looking for a low mileage manual PCM 3 manual
Late 2008 was the change over to PCM 3. My car was first registered in August 2008). If the car is a DD or your only car tham the upgraded PCM with BT and USB is well worth it. PCM 3 is outdated (the iDrive in my '09 BMW was far better) but it works fine and is light years ahead of PCM 2. csmith319 said:
Is the Mezger not as valued in the Turbo? I thought this would be the perfect 997 turbo as the last of them with the Mezger...
Why would it be?Whilst I appreciate most on here believe it will bring about peace in the middle east and eventually cure cancer, it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
FeelingLucky said:
Why would it be?
Whilst I appreciate most on here believe it will bring about peace in the middle east and eventually cure cancer, it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
For some of us, theres much more to a car than 'better'. Pretty much every new 911 is measurably better than the previous one.Whilst I appreciate most on here believe it will bring about peace in the middle east and eventually cure cancer, it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
There is a huge romance to that engine and it is probably the second most successful racing engine in history! Second only to the Ford DFV.
Does this matter? Thats up to you!
FeelingLucky said:
it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
better car no? safer place to put your money? perhaps (albeit part of that is down to gen 1 being lower down the deprciation curve)Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
the discussion was on "value"
the 997 gen 2 (and Mezger gen 1) engine is also more powerful and efficient than a 993 turbo or 964 turbo S - I know which the market "values" more
FeelingLucky said:
Do you believe that comparing a 997 against a 964 or 993 is as valid as comparing two 997s? Interesting.....
It's precisely it's racing heritage that makes it so very expensive to manufacture and repair/rebuild.
But thats exactly the point! Its top quality, special, has heritage! Just how many Mezgers need rebuilding anyway!It's precisely it's racing heritage that makes it so very expensive to manufacture and repair/rebuild.
Porsche will never over engineer a road engine like this again. They are a different company now.
Exactly
And it has proven to be exceptionally reliable at a time when many of the non-Mezger engines have not been, time will tell on the DFI turbo engine. That is why I bought one as I did not want to fork out every year for OPC warranties
993 are valued due to their "last of the air-cooled"
I have already seen an advert for 997.1 turbo saying "last of the famous Mezger engine", we will see if the market agrees that appeal
And it has proven to be exceptionally reliable at a time when many of the non-Mezger engines have not been, time will tell on the DFI turbo engine. That is why I bought one as I did not want to fork out every year for OPC warranties
993 are valued due to their "last of the air-cooled"
I have already seen an advert for 997.1 turbo saying "last of the famous Mezger engine", we will see if the market agrees that appeal
mollytherocker said:
FeelingLucky said:
Why would it be?
Whilst I appreciate most on here believe it will bring about peace in the middle east and eventually cure cancer, it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
For some of us, theres much more to a car than 'better'. Pretty much every new 911 is measurably better than the previous one.Whilst I appreciate most on here believe it will bring about peace in the middle east and eventually cure cancer, it's really just an engine, that's LESS powerful and less efficient than the unit fitted to Gen2 cars, oh and it's also hugely more expensive to rebuild.
Go for the Gen1 if you believe it to be the better car, I've owned both and know the truth.
There is a huge romance to that engine and it is probably the second most successful racing engine in history! Second only to the Ford DFV.
Does this matter? Thats up to you!
The Mezger engine is fabulous...in a GT3. In a Turbo, you will notice no difference in 'romance' compared to the Gen 2. Also, where are the reliability issues with the Gen 2 Turbo? I haven't seen long threads about it self destruction?! And yet, there have been issues with the Mezger...
If you drove a Gen 1 and Gen 2 back to back, you would clearly find the Gen 2 is better in all areas. I actually agree that, in years to come, people will look favourably on the Mezger car because of the rose tinted balls associated with it. More fool them. When people buy the cheaper Gen 2 car in the future, they'll be pleased they have a better car.
People really do need to realise that there is more to the Gen 2 than an engine change.
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