New 2015 Carrera 991.2 - 2.9 Flat Six TURBOCHARGED!!!

New 2015 Carrera 991.2 - 2.9 Flat Six TURBOCHARGED!!!

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itsybitsy

5,188 posts

184 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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anonymous said:
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What I was angling at is the 991.2s may well be na so hence the 991.1gts lump and lesser cars will all be smaller turbo engines and the base 981.2 a flat4 turbo

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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anonymous said:
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I agree. Given how hard it is to tell the difference between turbo engines of similar capacity and output, it's the end of engines varying in character and feel between different marques. A turbo 4 pot Porsche or a turbo 4 pot VW? I think I would be very tempted to save £20k and go for the VW.

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Is it time though that the carrera models get a hike in power, however it is achieved?

In the days of 450bhp plus offerings as saloons (with four doors in some cases) from the likes of merc, Audi and BMW, the power offered by the base carrera and S is simply not enough nowadays. You also have the Audi TT (in last gen RS format) making c 10bhp more than the 991 carrera.

Porsche is also starting to fall behind the likes of Ferrari, Lambo and now McLaren in the power stakes when it comes to supercars as well.

As much as we stick and NA Porsche fans might moan, it may be that naturally asperated six cylinder engines have been taken as far as they can go (or close to it) - big jumps in power delivery going forward might lie with turbo motors?

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Callughan said:
Yes many cars do have more power but it's not really about hp with 911's. It's more power to weight and as a result they handle and stop better than most and this is reflected in class leading track times.
Do you honestly believe a carrera is a light car nowadays? As for track times - dont get too hung up on whether it is 4 seconds quicker round the ring when the owners of shiny new 991 Carreras are getting slaughtered from the lights by an Audi TT...........

Yes a 911 is obviously a better sportscar than offerings from BMW et al no one would argue otherwise but in recent years Porsche's competitors have made some big leaps forward in BHP and power to weight ratios

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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anonymous said:
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Yep - agree and despite the comments about power etc, this is still a bummer

Another nail in the coffin of old sportscar design

Callughan

6,312 posts

191 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Shep911 said:
Callughan said:
Yes many cars do have more power but it's not really about hp with 911's. It's more power to weight and as a result they handle and stop better than most and this is reflected in class leading track times.
Do you honestly believe a carrera is a light car nowadays? As for track times - dont get too hung up on whether it is 4 seconds quicker round the ring when the owners of shiny new 991 Carreras are getting slaughtered from the lights by an Audi TT...........

Yes a 911 is obviously a better sportscar than offerings from BMW et al no one would argue otherwise but in recent years Porsche's competitors have made some big leaps forward in BHP and power to weight ratios
1455kg for boggo carrera is still OK

TTRS is still slightly slower than basic 991 but they have two different purposes.

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Er 991 carrera 1415kg, 964 1,375kg, 993 1,370kg

Obviously power to weight is moving in the right direction with the 991 vs 964 but the comment was about handling, stopping and track times - I suspect you're the man that understands weight and braking far more than me when it comes to lap times

smile

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Callughan said:
Shep911 said:
Callughan said:
Yes many cars do have more power but it's not really about hp with 911's. It's more power to weight and as a result they handle and stop better than most and this is reflected in class leading track times.
Do you honestly believe a carrera is a light car nowadays? As for track times - dont get too hung up on whether it is 4 seconds quicker round the ring when the owners of shiny new 991 Carreras are getting slaughtered from the lights by an Audi TT...........

Yes a 911 is obviously a better sportscar than offerings from BMW et al no one would argue otherwise but in recent years Porsche's competitors have made some big leaps forward in BHP and power to weight ratios
1455kg for boggo carrera is still OK

TTRS is still slightly slower than basic 991 but they have two different purposes.
Agreed sir - I understand one is for carrying hairdressing equipment according to one school of thought

smile

Shep911

605 posts

142 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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Yeah don't get me wrong - it is packed with also sort of goodies and when you look at the size difference between say a 964 and 991 it is remarkable that the weight difference is so low

To be honest I'm more bothered about Porsche seemingly falling behind on the power stakes - an earlier post did say that IF the 991 gets a big power hyke it will create headroom for other model such as the cayman, which is a fabolous car but is not a million miles in horsepower terms above hot hatches when it could have so much more (obviously I'm not comparing a caymen to a ford focus).

It would be nice to see the base carrera with more bhp than m3s and the like and the cS getting say 450 plus at least which would create some differential with Porsche and other german marques

It is a worry though with Ferrari, Lambo and McLaren all going 600bhp plus at the moment for their sportscars (458, 650 etc) - not comparing things like aventador, f12 etc as they are different league)

On another note - wouldn't it be good to see a 650bhp Porsche

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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I admit to a little sadness when I see hot hatches that have as many horses as my Porker, but it's just childish pub bore stuff. I don't use the 300bhp in my car very often, and I certainly wouldn't get any benefit from another 100 in driving terms. It would just make me less able to use the rev range.

And if the cost of more power was having a turbo six (let alone a turbo 4), I would rather stick with the lower power every day of the week.

Have you ever driven a high power turbo 4? It's about as exciting as cooking porridge. You can lose your license without cracking a smile.

Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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hondansx said:
The noise is the problem. Today's 911s, as with all modern cars, are fairly boring because they remove you from the noise, feel and smell of older generations.

The newer Turbos are even worse; you can't tell it's a flat six... in fact... you can't tell it's anything; it's just an engine (and therefore my argument of the loss of the Mezger being no great loss at all).

So, to get round this, Porsche will have to use fake engine noises, surely? For shame...

I'd say if you have a manual 997.2, keep hold of it!
Nail. head. A lot of this is out of Porsches hands though.

I made my choice to 'go turbo' for many reasons, I like the noise my car makes but I appreciate others don't. I have faith that Porsche can make it work. The clips on you tube of the 991 mule don't inspire confidence!

On the youtube clip the mule looks so rapid and that's another thing, a 500hp turbo 997.2 is so fast you don't need any more so I am doubting these headlines of a 530hp base car because there is no room for the flat 8 unless they give it 700hp.

My car does 30 mph in about a second and 100 in 7 you can get the stop watch out and argue the toss but seriously, I can't imagine the base 911 car been given this type of capability. How would they differentiate the cars, the turbo s would need 650hp?

The only way I can see this all working is if Porsche do something radical with the way the 991 looks otherwise this car is dead on arrival. I think Porsche fans will swallow the transition to turbo only if the new car looks like dynamite on the inside and outside.

Edited by Carl_Docklands on Sunday 19th October 11:33

lukecollins

86 posts

190 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Its a great shame to see the NA going but with emissions rules Porsche need to future proof their engines of the future. Another thing to consider is the gear box, will the new car have an option for manual, my guess is PDK will be the only version available. Let's hope Im wrong.

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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lukecollins said:
Its a great shame to see the NA going but with emissions rules Porsche need to future proof their engines of the future. Another thing to consider is the gear box, will the new car have an option for manual, my guess is PDK will be the only version available. Let's hope Im wrong.
I expect you're wrong. There is a big enough market (in the US) for manual 911s.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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ORD said:
I expect you're wrong. There is a big enough market (in the US) for manual 911s.
The US market may well save the manual box for a little longer.

But the 992 will be an improved PDK only surely.

Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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I hope they follow Ferrari and Mclaren and drop the stick all together and we get the 911 version of this:


mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
I hope they follow Ferrari and Mclaren and drop the stick all together and we get the 911 version of this:

I am interested in why you think less choice is better.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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anonymous said:
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Carrera GT. Job jobbed!

Carl_Docklands

12,101 posts

261 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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mollytherocker said:
Carl_Docklands said:
I hope they follow Ferrari and Mclaren and drop the stick all together and we get the 911 version of this:

I am interested in why you think less choice is better.
I would prefer a situation where there are no compromises. Turbo, PDK, lose the stick and junk the luxo-barge interior.

mollytherocker

14,365 posts

208 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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Carl_Docklands said:
I would prefer a situation where there are no compromises. Turbo, PDK, lose the stick and junk the luxo-barge interior.
Compromises? You mean in terms of pure outright performance?

The lowest ring time trumps everything else?

ferdi p

1,519 posts

171 months

Sunday 19th October 2014
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It's over! Get used to it...

In less than 2/3 years I believe Porsche will no longer make a 'stick'

So keep your old cars as they don't care about you hardcore manual dinosaurs smile