New 2015 Carrera 991.2 - 2.9 Flat Six TURBOCHARGED!!!

[mollytherocker]

ferdi p said:

It's over! Get used to it...

In less than 2/3 years I believe Porsche will no longer make a 'stick'

So keep your old cars as they don't care about you hardcore manual dinosaurs

Dinosaur! RAAAAAR!!!

Sorry, my 2 year old daughter makes me watch peppa pig.....

[itsybitsy]

why do some spend huge sums of money on older slower less powerful cars and not buy a cheaper faster more powerful newer car?
long live the dinosaur

Edited by itsybitsy on Sunday 19th October 23:42

[stuckmojo]

Predictable and inevitable. I agree on the comments about 500cc cylinders and multiples thereof.

I suspect the Turbo and Turbo S versions will have some sort of electric drive trickery to bring something more than HP, since they would be pointless with 50hp more than the already seriously powerful next Carrera "S".

All automatic, no more manual and staggeringly fast.

But you know what? Laugh at me all you want but I'm keeping my black sheep 3.4 996 forever (not as only car, naturally).

[Carl_Docklands]

mollytherocker said:

Carl_Docklands said:

I would prefer a situation where there are no compromises. Turbo, PDK, lose the stick and junk the luxo-barge interior.

Compromises? You mean in terms of pure outright performance?

The lowest ring time trumps everything else?

I am not a manual fan on turbos so I will happily trade a half arsed 7 speed for a cockpit which looks like kitt out of knightrider. It's even got a button on the 918 wheel for turbo boost.

Ejector seat button for the likes of mrdemon an optional extra.

[Reffro]

Now remember you read it here first:

Ignore what the CAR article says they have it wrong. The base 911 Carrera will be 2.7 litres with 370hp and the Carrera S will be 3.0 with 420hp. It looks like the power kit Carrera S will be 440hp. There is a another prototype supposedly running with a 3.0 producing 560hp, but that might be an error in the data.

[ORD]

Wurls said:

Source?, or it's cobblers

Realistic figures, in my view. Porsche is not going to start chasing 500bhp in the standard 911s. It is a battle that Porsche will not win and does not want to have (as it ultimately leads to lower profits even if you keep pace in the power race).

[Reffro]

Wurls said:

Source?, or it's cobblers

Porsche factory data when they registered the prototype cars for the road...Every car including the prototypes are road registered, I can see that data.

Just for fun do you want to know what's going into the Boxster/Cayman?

[ORD]

Reffro said:

Porsche factory data when they registered the prototype cars for the road...Every car including the prototypes are road registered, I can see that data.

Just for fun do you want to know what's going into the Boxster/Cayman?

Turbo 4 pots that make baby Jesus cry.

[Reffro]

OK, two engine sizes so far.

2.0l with either 231hp or 275hp. Got to assume the 275hp is the base engine and the 231hp is a special for some markets. The other engine is a 2.5l with 325hp or 335hp to go into the S models no doubt.

[ORD]

Reffro said:

OK, two engine sizes so far.

2.0l with either 231hp or 275hp. Got to assume the 275hp is the base engine and the 231hp is a special for some markets. The other engine is a 2.5l with 325hp or 335hp to go into the S models no doubt.

Nah. I would be surprised if Porsche would put out a Cayman with a turbo engine producing so little power. It will have to be above 350bhp or it will be laughed out of the playground.

[Reffro]

ORD said:

Nah. I would be surprised if Porsche would put out a Cayman with a turbo engine producing so little power. It will have to be above 350bhp or it will be laughed out of the playground.

The current cars are similar power, remember that a turbo engine is going to produce significantly more torque than a NA. So with similar power and more torque it will be fine. Remember also Porsche do not want them to compete with 911 in performance terms. 335hp in the Cayman vs 370hp in the new 911 maintains the status quo.

[mollytherocker]

Do we know that the 2.5 would be a 4?

[itsybitsy]

Every day it sounds worse
Although a flat 6 2.7 na engine sounds fun as long as they get the weight down and comes with a manual with shorter gears

[Mermaid]

Of the 4 German manufacturers, am I right in thinking their 1st offerings were the 2002 turbo, Mercedes 300td, Audi 200 turbo, and last entrant Porsche with their 930 turbo, or was it the 924

Oops forgot VW - golf g60?

Edited by Mermaid on Monday 20th October 13:07

[rudester]

Mermaid said:

Of the 4 German manufacturers, am I right in thinking their 1st offerings were the 2002 turbo, Mercedes 300td, Audi 200 turbo, and last entrant Porsche with their 930 turbo.

Oops forgot VW - golf g60?

The Golf G60 ran a rather fragile G Ladder supercharger, rather than a turbo

[LordHaveMurci]

stuckmojo said:

Laugh at me all you want but I'm keeping my black sheep 3.4 996 forever (not as only car, naturally).

I'm starting to have the same thoughts, after more than 5yrs I keep having the itch to change it but can't bring myself to do it. Maybe I should have pushed the boat out a couple of years ago after all & bought a Mk1 GT3, oh well, I'll add it to the list that includes E30 M3 & RS2 Avant

[Carl_Docklands]

anonymous said:

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I would be shocked if the 911 Product team would allow an engine with anything other than a 3.x L designation due to marketing reasons.

I don't think the market is ready for an £85k car with a 2.xL engine of any description.

[Mermaid]

anonymous said:

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Good summary.

However rumours of the 135iM engine being dropped in the i8 at some stage.

Weight losses to come hopefully.

[Carl_Docklands]

Mermaid said:

anonymous said:

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Good summary.

However rumours of the 135iM engine being dropped in the i8 at some stage.

Weight losses to come hopefully.

Moose - I don't think those examples apply as I would say that there is no real crowded model structure in those examples and they are all fairly exotic. I wouldnt give a toss what engine was in the F40 or P1 either. Buyers understand more about the underlying tech in the cars not to care.

The M4 uses a 3L turbo engine, Audi specials maybe more. I can't see Porsche giving the base Carrera an engine starting with a 2 for marketing reasons as buyers won't understand why.

The I8 is just, well an I8. Porsche don't have an I8 competitor yet.

[EricE]

I wonder how many actual (read: non-PH) 991 drivers know the displacement of their engine?
If I had to guess I'd say probably less than 20% know without having to look it up.