New 2015 Carrera 991.2 - 2.9 Flat Six TURBOCHARGED!!!
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Carl_Docklands said:
Reffro said:
Now remember you read it here first:
Ignore what the CAR article says they have it wrong. The base 911 Carrera will be 2.7 litres with 370hp and the Carrera S will be 3.0 with 420hp. It looks like the power kit Carrera S will be 440hp. There is a another prototype supposedly running with a 3.0 producing 560hp, but that might be an error in the data.
Nice one reffro, you won the numbers bingo. Have a cookie. Ignore what the CAR article says they have it wrong. The base 911 Carrera will be 2.7 litres with 370hp and the Carrera S will be 3.0 with 420hp. It looks like the power kit Carrera S will be 440hp. There is a another prototype supposedly running with a 3.0 producing 560hp, but that might be an error in the data.
yeah those hot hatches are going to be really hot. I quite fancy a R400 myself.
when a 400hp 991 can out-run a 562bhp ferrari 458 at the ring though we can say that we are in safe hands performance wise vs. the hatches.
this is one of the reasons why Apolo was mentioning the use of 'ring times in the Porsche sales training. I would imagine it will be more prominent in future sales pitches more than it ever was (ring times) because people can be dumb in that regard.
I am surprised about the 2.7L, that surely tells us that the flat-four engines in the next gen 981 will be even smaller?
when a 400hp 991 can out-run a 562bhp ferrari 458 at the ring though we can say that we are in safe hands performance wise vs. the hatches.
this is one of the reasons why Apolo was mentioning the use of 'ring times in the Porsche sales training. I would imagine it will be more prominent in future sales pitches more than it ever was (ring times) because people can be dumb in that regard.
I am surprised about the 2.7L, that surely tells us that the flat-four engines in the next gen 981 will be even smaller?
Carl_Docklands said:
I am surprised about the 2.7L, that surely tells us that the flat-four engines in the next gen 981 will be even smaller?
Rumours suggest 2.0L for the base model and 2.5L for the S. I think a 2.0L in the base model and a detuned 2.7L flat six in the S would make more sense.
They could also use the 2.7L and 3.0L engines and simply remove two cylinders but I don't think the world is ready for a 1.8L Porsche Boxster...
jakesmith said:
The beards and anoraks are clearly aghast at technical progress. Lucky for Porsche, 99.9% of the buyers for new 911s don't know or care about the difference between turbo and na. They'll just like the cheap tax, fuel and no doubt impressive performance.
Yes, lucky for Porsche.jakesmith said:
The beards and anoraks are clearly aghast at technical progress. Lucky for Porsche, 99.9% of the buyers for new 911s don't know or care about the difference between turbo and na. They'll just like the cheap tax, fuel and no doubt impressive performance.
Indeed.St. Paul's Cathedral has been surpassed by the more technically advanced Westfield Shopping Centre. But that doesn't mean that we should scoff at it.
Unplugged soundaktor from wife's Golf R at weekend and much better car to live with as no vibrator banging against windscreen now. Hope Porsche don't make mistake of putting these things on next gen 911. New 991 GTS confirmed arriving in 2 weeks so at least I won't have to put up with Turbo car yet - missing my old 997 noise on full pedal but new car will be even better 
jakesmith said:
The beards and anoraks are clearly aghast at technical progress. Lucky for Porsche, 99.9% of the buyers for new 911s don't know or care about the difference between turbo and na. They'll just like the cheap tax, fuel and no doubt impressive performance.
Is the '99.9%' number based on some research, or have you asked a few Kia owners in a pub? I'm willing to wager that Porsche buyers (as opposed to PHs wannabes) are much more informed than you give them credit for.SS7
I think it's more the 2nd / 3rd buyers that are the geeks, than the people who go into the dealership to buy a new car, most of whom don't use forums to discuss engines. Not based on any research but you only have to look at how many performance cars in the market to day are FI, to see that it is completely accepted. To the average person the trade off of power, economy & emissions vastly outweighs the need for a 'linear power delivery'
I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
jakesmith said:
I think it's more the 2nd / 3rd buyers that are the geeks, than the people who go into the dealership to buy a new car, most of whom don't use forums to discuss engines. Not based on any research but you only have to look at how many performance cars in the market to day are FI, to see that it is completely accepted. To the average person the trade off of power, economy & emissions vastly outweighs the need for a 'linear power delivery'
I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
Really? I have never spoken to anyone who thinks the new M3 engine isn't a massive step backwards compared to the V8.I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
Who gives a crap about fuel efficiency figures (which are nonsense anyway) when dropping £50k or more on a car. Nobody is stupid enough to think 5mpg difference is even remotely material, surely?!
The infamous low-torque massively juicy e9x M3 engine!? No way is that only 5% less efficient than the new one.
Your view may be skewed by the people you talk to on here & IRL though mightn't it, I'd bet the new M3 will outsell the old one as it's so much cheaper to run and has the power delivery that the market is now getting used to ie you don't have to rev it to 7000 to get any performance out of it
So many performance turbos out there now.
And if you think the Boxster range will suffer as they're goin turbo, what are the alternatives exactly? The SLK, Z4 and TT aren't exactly famed for delivering driving dynamics
Your view may be skewed by the people you talk to on here & IRL though mightn't it, I'd bet the new M3 will outsell the old one as it's so much cheaper to run and has the power delivery that the market is now getting used to ie you don't have to rev it to 7000 to get any performance out of it
So many performance turbos out there now.
And if you think the Boxster range will suffer as they're goin turbo, what are the alternatives exactly? The SLK, Z4 and TT aren't exactly famed for delivering driving dynamics
Really well made point but ignores the distorted weight of opinion on pistonheads and the desire of buyers of £100k sports cars to have something that can't be kept up with by a chipped golf gti. my last 3 cars are NA Porsches. My dream car is a 997 turbo. Not a GT3. As I drive on normal roads.
Also not sure drivers of 650s, California t, etc would agree that their cars are the motoring equivalent of a fillet o fish?
Also not sure drivers of 650s, California t, etc would agree that their cars are the motoring equivalent of a fillet o fish?
ORD said:
jakesmith said:
I think it's more the 2nd / 3rd buyers that are the geeks, than the people who go into the dealership to buy a new car, most of whom don't use forums to discuss engines. Not based on any research but you only have to look at how many performance cars in the market to day are FI, to see that it is completely accepted. To the average person the trade off of power, economy & emissions vastly outweighs the need for a 'linear power delivery'
I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
Really? I have never spoken to anyone who thinks the new M3 engine isn't a massive step backwards compared to the V8.I don't see any lack of love from the Subaru, VAG, BMW lovers towards their cars due to using turbos
Who gives a crap about fuel efficiency figures (which are nonsense anyway) when dropping £50k or more on a car. Nobody is stupid enough to think 5mpg difference is even remotely material, surely?!
anonymous said:
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Your comment on the 650S is a bit silly in my opinion It's a masterpiece of technical engineering and design. I've never driven one or a 458 so it's hard for me to comment further, it sounds like you might have though?
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