Trade 964 for 996T?
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I've currently got a low mileage 964 C2 Tip as my weekend car. I'm very happy with it, but considering a change. If I trade it against a 996T, will I regret it?
The 964 has been relatively cheap to run, and recent price rises mean that it hasn't cost me a penny, may even sell for enough to make a small profit, should be a straight swap for a decent 996T.
Is a 996T a "good investment" at the moment, or will keeping the 964 be a better bet for the next year or two?
How do running costs compare?
I didn't buy the 964 as an investment, I bought it to drive it. I just got lucky with the timing of my purchase. This will be the first time I could potentially make a profit on a car, and I don't really want to swap it for something that will depreciate - I've got two other cars that are losing value every month!
The 964 has been relatively cheap to run, and recent price rises mean that it hasn't cost me a penny, may even sell for enough to make a small profit, should be a straight swap for a decent 996T.
Is a 996T a "good investment" at the moment, or will keeping the 964 be a better bet for the next year or two?
How do running costs compare?
I didn't buy the 964 as an investment, I bought it to drive it. I just got lucky with the timing of my purchase. This will be the first time I could potentially make a profit on a car, and I don't really want to swap it for something that will depreciate - I've got two other cars that are losing value every month!
Yes and no. I went from a 964 targa 4 years ago to a 996t. 964 values have shot up since! However, 996t's are also rising (not at same rate), at the moment.
There would be times when you think I wish had my 964 for the sound, steering feel, smaller size, and nostalgia, but there will be plenty of others when you think I'm glad I've got a 996t.
They're a great car in their own right, handle very well, and go like stink. Coming from a 964 you may want to consider an exhaust upgrade, and running costs are higher, but you won't have to worry about bodywork resprays, engine rebuilds, etc. You would find that to get the best from a 996t, you need to be going considerably quicker than before. Test drive one.
There would be times when you think I wish had my 964 for the sound, steering feel, smaller size, and nostalgia, but there will be plenty of others when you think I'm glad I've got a 996t.
They're a great car in their own right, handle very well, and go like stink. Coming from a 964 you may want to consider an exhaust upgrade, and running costs are higher, but you won't have to worry about bodywork resprays, engine rebuilds, etc. You would find that to get the best from a 996t, you need to be going considerably quicker than before. Test drive one.
Presumably you have driven a 996t and fallen in love with the power, the poise, the ease, the presence and all round brilliance of the car over the slow clunky 964 slushbox?
And you are just asking the secondary question about the economics?
And you do realise this is pistonheads.com not driveanyolds
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And you are just asking the secondary question about the economics?
And you do realise this is pistonheads.com not driveanyolds
teprovidedIdontlosemoney.com? Bert
I fairly recently changed my 993 C2 tip. for a 996t tip. and don't regret it at all.
If you're going to do it, I'd get going as I'm sure 996t prices are only going one way for decent examples, and that's up.
911 Virgin have a fairly low mileage 996t tip. in at the moment at a decent price, so there might be a good place to start as they're fussy about what they stock.
Good Luck.
If you're going to do it, I'd get going as I'm sure 996t prices are only going one way for decent examples, and that's up.
911 Virgin have a fairly low mileage 996t tip. in at the moment at a decent price, so there might be a good place to start as they're fussy about what they stock.
Good Luck.
I went from a 3.2 Carrera to a manual 996 turbo X50.
The 996 turbo is easier to drive, far quicker and much more practical and has much more of a presence when you want to push on.
Running my 996 turbo has been cheaper than running my 3.2 Carrera - the biggest bonus is you don't have the rust and age related issues that come with a much older aircooled 911, servicng is also more affordable.
I'd like another 3.2 Carrera, I loved the older smell and agricultural feel, but not at today's prices.
The 964 prices appear to have peaked, 996 turbo now appear to be strengthening so probably as good a time as any to make the jump and try something new.
I'd suggest getting a manual 996 turbo coupe.
The 996 turbo is easier to drive, far quicker and much more practical and has much more of a presence when you want to push on.
Running my 996 turbo has been cheaper than running my 3.2 Carrera - the biggest bonus is you don't have the rust and age related issues that come with a much older aircooled 911, servicng is also more affordable.
I'd like another 3.2 Carrera, I loved the older smell and agricultural feel, but not at today's prices.
The 964 prices appear to have peaked, 996 turbo now appear to be strengthening so probably as good a time as any to make the jump and try something new.
I'd suggest getting a manual 996 turbo coupe.
Thanks for the input guys.
I haven't driven a 996 yet. It'll mean travelling, and I've only recently started to think about a 996 as a possibility.
I do prefer the look of the 964. 99% of the time, it's quite fast enough for me. I don't take it out when it's raining very often, because the wipers and ventilation system are pretty "old school", and I like to see where I'm going. I guess I'm spoilt because my daily driver (E61) is such a competent car. In the wet, I'm a lot happier "making progress" in the BMW.
However, the classic looks and feel of the 964 bring a smile to my face when I'm driving it just for the sake of driving. No attitude problems from other road users either, as they see it as an old car. I don't get flashed when I overtake, and people let me out of side roads.
I admit that a small part of considering this change is financial. I am on a limited income now (less than £20k p.a., pension and a minimum wage part time job), and I used my redundancy money to buy the 964. I've got enough money saved to cover a big bill, but I can't afford too much depreciation.
The reason I'm considering a 996T is because it's really the only other Porsche that makes sense for me - a more usable car, better reliability (hopefully) than the other 996 models, and possibility that the increase in value will cover the running costs.
I'll be talking to the chap that sold me the car about the feasibility of changing, take one for a drive, then, if I like it, see if he can source me a suitable car.
I haven't driven a 996 yet. It'll mean travelling, and I've only recently started to think about a 996 as a possibility.
I do prefer the look of the 964. 99% of the time, it's quite fast enough for me. I don't take it out when it's raining very often, because the wipers and ventilation system are pretty "old school", and I like to see where I'm going. I guess I'm spoilt because my daily driver (E61) is such a competent car. In the wet, I'm a lot happier "making progress" in the BMW.
However, the classic looks and feel of the 964 bring a smile to my face when I'm driving it just for the sake of driving. No attitude problems from other road users either, as they see it as an old car. I don't get flashed when I overtake, and people let me out of side roads.
I admit that a small part of considering this change is financial. I am on a limited income now (less than £20k p.a., pension and a minimum wage part time job), and I used my redundancy money to buy the 964. I've got enough money saved to cover a big bill, but I can't afford too much depreciation.
The reason I'm considering a 996T is because it's really the only other Porsche that makes sense for me - a more usable car, better reliability (hopefully) than the other 996 models, and possibility that the increase in value will cover the running costs.
I'll be talking to the chap that sold me the car about the feasibility of changing, take one for a drive, then, if I like it, see if he can source me a suitable car.
metsta said:
Don't do it, the 996t is just too much like a normal car, you will miss the smells sounds feel and fun of the 964.
I own a 964 a 993 and an e61 also and having owned a 996t at the same time as my e61 they are more similiar than I wanted so I moved the 996 on for air cooled.
That is something that worries me. The E61 is a very competent car, but that makes it boring. Once the novelty wore off, I didn't want to drive it just for the sake of driving. I'd hate to feel the same way about a Porsche.I own a 964 a 993 and an e61 also and having owned a 996t at the same time as my e61 they are more similiar than I wanted so I moved the 996 on for air cooled.
clockworks said:
metsta said:
Don't do it, the 996t is just too much like a normal car, you will miss the smells sounds feel and fun of the 964.
I own a 964 a 993 and an e61 also and having owned a 996t at the same time as my e61 they are more similiar than I wanted so I moved the 996 on for air cooled.
That is something that worries me. The E61 is a very competent car, but that makes it boring. Once the novelty wore off, I didn't want to drive it just for the sake of driving. I'd hate to feel the same way about a Porsche.I own a 964 a 993 and an e61 also and having owned a 996t at the same time as my e61 they are more similiar than I wanted so I moved the 996 on for air cooled.
It's true a 996 turbo is closer to a E61 than a 3.2 Carrera, 964, 993 because it's more refined, the heating works and it's nice to drive but to compare them as similar is misleading.
The ride in a 996 turbo is razor sharp compared to a normal car, the grip and performance are both on another planet.
The 3.2 Carrera was more agricultural and dated which adds character on a high day, but was tiring as a daily.
The best thing you can do is go and try a 996 turbo for yourself.
clockworks said:
I've currently got a low mileage 964 C2 Tip as my weekend car. I'm very happy with it, but considering a change. If I trade it against a 996T, will I regret it?
The 964 has been relatively cheap to run, and recent price rises mean that it hasn't cost me a penny, may even sell for enough to make a small profit, should be a straight swap for a decent 996T.
Have you checked what you will easily get for the tip? While it's true that 964 prices have rocketed, it's the manual coupes that have driven the market. The 964 tips have lagged quite a way behind. I'm not anti-tip at all (had a boxster tip for many years) but a straight swap for a decent 996T would mean that you'd need something approaching £30K for the 964.The 964 has been relatively cheap to run, and recent price rises mean that it hasn't cost me a penny, may even sell for enough to make a small profit, should be a straight swap for a decent 996T.
No "old boots" smell in my 964, but it does have the whiff of petrol/oil inside after a few days parked in my garage.
I have no idea what my car is worth. It was in for a service last week at Williams Crawford, and I asked them to check it over, and give me a valuation as I might be tempted to sell or trade.
When I bought the car from Adrian, he asked me to let them know if I ever wanted to sell it. He is going to contact me for a chat, as he was tied up with a customer when I collected the car.
I would likely go for a tip again, so hopefully the 996T would be cheaper too?
BTW, for anyone living in Cornwall or Devon, I'd recommend Williams Crawford for servicing. Their new setup is spotless, very friendly guys, and labour rates are reasonable. Service cost me £300, plus £82 for new drive shaft boots.
One stumbling block may be the size of the 996. It's around 6" longer and 7" wider than my 964, and would be a very tight squeeze in my garage - I have to walk around the car to get to the washing machine and tumble drier.
I have no idea what my car is worth. It was in for a service last week at Williams Crawford, and I asked them to check it over, and give me a valuation as I might be tempted to sell or trade.
When I bought the car from Adrian, he asked me to let them know if I ever wanted to sell it. He is going to contact me for a chat, as he was tied up with a customer when I collected the car.
I would likely go for a tip again, so hopefully the 996T would be cheaper too?
BTW, for anyone living in Cornwall or Devon, I'd recommend Williams Crawford for servicing. Their new setup is spotless, very friendly guys, and labour rates are reasonable. Service cost me £300, plus £82 for new drive shaft boots.
One stumbling block may be the size of the 996. It's around 6" longer and 7" wider than my 964, and would be a very tight squeeze in my garage - I have to walk around the car to get to the washing machine and tumble drier.
I have not driven either one, but just going on looks and what I have read about these cars over the years, I am not sure a Turbo will make you happy as a second car in the UK(I can understand going for a Turbo if you live in Germany, as the speeds you can do on the Autobahn are quite addictive - it would still be my only car though not a weekend car). I think as a second car I'd rather go for an early 996 and pocket some money, I think they have aged very well and if you have to have an engine rebuild (that is if you cant find one that was rebuilt already), it will be a much cheaper engine rebuild than the Turbo will eventually need. My perfect weekend car would probably be a 964 C2 Manual and I know that is not an option for you. So my vote goes to a Hartech rebuilt 996 C2 - one of the early cars as I think they are prettier ....
not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
MDahmen said:
I have not driven either one, but just going on looks and what I have read about these cars over the years ....not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
Sums up much of the internet advice. Based on looks and hearsay rather than years of ownership and driving. 
MDahmen said:
I have not driven either one, but just going on looks and what I have read about these cars over the years, I am not sure a Turbo will make you happy as a second car in the UK(I can understand going for a Turbo if you live in Germany, as the speeds you can do on the Autobahn are quite addictive - it would still be my only car though not a weekend car). I think as a second car I'd rather go for an early 996 and pocket some money, I think they have aged very well and if you have to have an engine rebuild (that is if you cant find one that was rebuilt already), it will be a much cheaper engine rebuild than the Turbo will eventually need. My perfect weekend car would probably be a 964 C2 Manual and I know that is not an option for you. So my vote goes to a Hartech rebuilt 996 C2 - one of the early cars as I think they are prettier ....
not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
Eh, there's no point in owning a 996 turbo in the UK? Why not? OP lives in Cornwall where there's virtually no traffic for 46 weeks of the year so I'd suggest he's in one of the best counties for such a car. Mind you, all the folk I know in Lancashire with Porsche turbos seem to do ok with them as well...not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
Very different cars and depends on what you want from yours. I moved from -91 964 C2 manual seal grey to -03 996TT manual seal grey (is there a pattern here?) about 3 years ago. I have another daily driver, but I drive the P-car in any weather condition when I feel like it. And here in Switzerland we also get some snow and unfortunately lots of salt. The 964 had a cup-pipe, otherwise both are stock condition.
The 964 had lots of character, which is missing from the 996. The way the car made me feel was something special, mostly due to soundtrack and the direct feedback from every aspect of the car. In comparison the 996 is heavy, boring, easy and extremely fast. I feel like a better driver in the 996 where the 964 on the limit was slightly intimidating.
Is the 964 a better car then? No, just very different. Do I browse 964 ads on a weekly basis? Yes I do.
Drive the 996TT, but don't get too excited about the pure acceleration. Drive it like you would drive your 964 and then compare. Take your time.
I'll continue my 964 search, but maybe the next one will come with forced induction...
The 964 had lots of character, which is missing from the 996. The way the car made me feel was something special, mostly due to soundtrack and the direct feedback from every aspect of the car. In comparison the 996 is heavy, boring, easy and extremely fast. I feel like a better driver in the 996 where the 964 on the limit was slightly intimidating.
Is the 964 a better car then? No, just very different. Do I browse 964 ads on a weekly basis? Yes I do.
Drive the 996TT, but don't get too excited about the pure acceleration. Drive it like you would drive your 964 and then compare. Take your time.
I'll continue my 964 search, but maybe the next one will come with forced induction...
Do you want a modern driving extremely quick car or an old fashioned reasonably quick car?
If you don't want the epic power and shove stick with the old 964.
I've had all types (now my 3rd 996 turbo-so yes a fan)
For me it ticks more boxes than the older stuff, no that I don't like the old air-cooled cars.
I use the Turbo in all weathers and it just feels a safer car when you are pushing along a little.
The fact my car is far from standard and doesn't sound like a washing machine makes for an all round experience.
If I had the space I'd have a 3.2c parked next to it.
If you don't want the epic power and shove stick with the old 964.
I've had all types (now my 3rd 996 turbo-so yes a fan)
For me it ticks more boxes than the older stuff, no that I don't like the old air-cooled cars.
I use the Turbo in all weathers and it just feels a safer car when you are pushing along a little.
The fact my car is far from standard and doesn't sound like a washing machine makes for an all round experience.
If I had the space I'd have a 3.2c parked next to it.
g7jhp said:
MDahmen said:
I have not driven either one, but just going on looks and what I have read about these cars over the years ....not much help I know, but felt like contributing anyway
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