997 GT3 Gen1 clubsport
Discussion
Steve Rance said:
Thank you. Chris Harris saw the potential but just when he'd almost got there, got the chance of a 4.0 and sold it. I maintain that a very well sorted 7.1 will be as good
Lucky enough to have been lent that car for a few days when it was on its Exe-TC development shocks. Lovely thing. Perfect road car. Didn't get to try it on track though. 
Thanks Chaps. i will get the car back, get it fully checked over then probably start thinking about the damper and geo combination first. I've had some very good experiences with JRZ on GT3's. They were also fitted to the 996Cup that I raced. Very nice control. On saying that i'm open minded. I will probably start with one of the geos that we put onto the 6RS. The brake bias will need some thinking about. For me it's far too rearward on the 997 and makes the onset of oversteer much more likely during a trail and generally more difficult to trim the car on the brakes. Big Alcons on the front and harder rear pads may help but in terms of economy, 997 cup fronts may be the way forward.
I am temped to take the pasm units and ancilleries to my local scrap yard, have them fragmentised, burn the remains, have them re heated and sculptured into a giant lemon shaped suppository with 'for crimes against motoring' inscribed upon it. This could be sent back to Porsche as a present to be ceremonially inserted into the engineer that designed it. Although this idea appeals greatly to me, I suppose that, instead I should keep then locked in a vault underground somewhere, just in case I sell the car on one day...
I do not have a target time for the car per se but the set up MUST be road compliant with little adjustment so an assister spring set up is probably a must. The 997 has shorter gearing than the 996 so a cup final drive may not be needed but i like more locking under acceleration and braking so I'll have a look at the diff to see what state it's in.
One of the reasons that I bought the car is that although it's a club sport, the belts and extinguisher are still unfitted and there is no sign of any track use so i'm hopeful that mechanically there are few potential demons.
I really am looking forward to this project. I think that Porsche have sent a clear message of intent with the next generation of GT cars and that - with the end of the M engine production - will put upward price pressure on all 996 and 997 GT3's. Now that anything with a GT3RS badge on it is selling north of £100K - some well north, they are becoming more impractical to track. The vanilla gen 2 996 and the Gen 1 997 are very good value against that back drop now and to me represent the last realistic option of road / track ownership.
I said earlier that I didn't have a target time for the car but i'd be disappointed if it wasn't substantially quicker and far more predictable and enjoyable to drive than the standard car on the track and a nicer car to drive on the road.
I am temped to take the pasm units and ancilleries to my local scrap yard, have them fragmentised, burn the remains, have them re heated and sculptured into a giant lemon shaped suppository with 'for crimes against motoring' inscribed upon it. This could be sent back to Porsche as a present to be ceremonially inserted into the engineer that designed it. Although this idea appeals greatly to me, I suppose that, instead I should keep then locked in a vault underground somewhere, just in case I sell the car on one day...
I do not have a target time for the car per se but the set up MUST be road compliant with little adjustment so an assister spring set up is probably a must. The 997 has shorter gearing than the 996 so a cup final drive may not be needed but i like more locking under acceleration and braking so I'll have a look at the diff to see what state it's in.
One of the reasons that I bought the car is that although it's a club sport, the belts and extinguisher are still unfitted and there is no sign of any track use so i'm hopeful that mechanically there are few potential demons.
I really am looking forward to this project. I think that Porsche have sent a clear message of intent with the next generation of GT cars and that - with the end of the M engine production - will put upward price pressure on all 996 and 997 GT3's. Now that anything with a GT3RS badge on it is selling north of £100K - some well north, they are becoming more impractical to track. The vanilla gen 2 996 and the Gen 1 997 are very good value against that back drop now and to me represent the last realistic option of road / track ownership.
I said earlier that I didn't have a target time for the car but i'd be disappointed if it wasn't substantially quicker and far more predictable and enjoyable to drive than the standard car on the track and a nicer car to drive on the road.
Do you think there is the possibility that something like TPC DSC module might solve some of the PASM issues? It seems to be getting some good reviews in the US now that it becoming available.
Wouldn't the PASM work ok if it was non-active? As in the valves are just locked into one of the two positions. Ignoring the actual quality of the damper themselves, wouldn't this give you at least the consistency that you say is lacking from the active system.
Regarding the diff, the 997 has different ramps to the 996 (996 having more aggressive angles). Will you be looking at altering the ramps or just going for a Motorsport plate pack with the increased pre-load?
Wouldn't the PASM work ok if it was non-active? As in the valves are just locked into one of the two positions. Ignoring the actual quality of the damper themselves, wouldn't this give you at least the consistency that you say is lacking from the active system.
Regarding the diff, the 997 has different ramps to the 996 (996 having more aggressive angles). Will you be looking at altering the ramps or just going for a Motorsport plate pack with the increased pre-load?
jackwood said:
Do you think there is the possibility that something like TPC DSC module might solve some of the PASM issues? It seems to be getting some good reviews in the US now that it becoming available.
Wouldn't the PASM work ok if it was non-active? As in the valves are just locked into one of the two positions. Ignoring the actual quality of the damper themselves, wouldn't this give you at least the consistency that you say is lacking from the active system.
Regarding the diff, the 997 has different ramps to the 996 (996 having more aggressive angles). Will you be looking at altering the ramps or just going for a Motorsport plate pack with the increased pre-load?
Intestingly, I am looking at that damping option ( there are a few options based on the current damper ) but I will need more adjastability than this option can give and Its probable that the quality of damping control won't suit my needs. Re; the diff, at the moment, a motorsport pack with more pre load is looking favourite. I think that the ramping is pretty easy to adjust either way. If Im going for a cup final drive, it would make sense to do that at the same time. Wouldn't the PASM work ok if it was non-active? As in the valves are just locked into one of the two positions. Ignoring the actual quality of the damper themselves, wouldn't this give you at least the consistency that you say is lacking from the active system.
Regarding the diff, the 997 has different ramps to the 996 (996 having more aggressive angles). Will you be looking at altering the ramps or just going for a Motorsport plate pack with the increased pre-load?
fioran0 said:
Said the same for a long long time.
Put some cup aero on it and it will be just beautiful.....
Congrats on the new car. Hope it gives you as much fun as you are hoping for.
Now where are the pics?
Wil do as soon as I get some old chap. in the mean time, the car can be seen on the Supercar showrooms website. There are some decent images of it there. Put some cup aero on it and it will be just beautiful.....
Congrats on the new car. Hope it gives you as much fun as you are hoping for.
Now where are the pics?
Interesting that you should mention the aero. Rather stupidly I hadn't considered that. What aero would you suggest upgrading?
keep it lit said:
Yeah I guessed as much listening to your recents hints.. well done!! pics & plans please old bean 
I wouldn't be buying one if you hadn't beaten me to that lovely 996! So glad that beautiful beast ( still remains the best 6RS that i've ever driven) has gone to a home that is truly going to appreciate it's greatness! Steve Rance said:
fioran0 said:
Said the same for a long long time.
Put some cup aero on it and it will be just beautiful.....
Congrats on the new car. Hope it gives you as much fun as you are hoping for.
Now where are the pics?
Wil do as soon as I get some old chap. in the mean time, the car can be seen on the Supercar showrooms website. There are some decent images of it there. Put some cup aero on it and it will be just beautiful.....
Congrats on the new car. Hope it gives you as much fun as you are hoping for.
Now where are the pics?
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Interesting that you should mention the aero. Rather stupidly I hadn't considered that. What aero would you suggest upgrading?
Mermaid said:
Will follow this with interest, and as 997.1 CS prices go into the ascendency.
Yes, that's the worry! I bought my 993 as primarily a track only tool. Now, the value is so high that the 997 has become viable and the 993,a track risk. It's pretty obvious that the Gen 1 97 and the gen 2 96 are undervalued when compared to the gen 2 97 and the RS's so I suppose it's only a matter of time. Either way, I have decided to see this through and continue to track the 997. The like of these cars won't be seen again and they are just too great an experience to miss
Steve Rance said:
I'll have a look at the diff to see what state it's in.
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ked, is my reckoning. They were mild to start with, and it seems, after about 5k miles they effectively slip into open. Mine is useless. Car has only been tracked very lightly in its lifetime.996 diffs were a different beast.
Hi Steve. Great project ahead of you. Looking forward to updates. Neil - would be great to get more on your 996 please!
FYI, I used GT Racing in the States for my aero parts as they were relatively affordable (unlike Porsche's motorsport dept!). Carbon quality seems quite decent but ultimately the fit and finish is not show car quality. Still, mine's not meant for polishing. The main issue for me is I found the standard Cup splitter did not balance the larger rear wing at speeds (it works well with the RS OEM wing), and out on track I have to fit a much deeper fibreglass splitter so as to avoid soiling myself. I would be interested to know how you get on with aero.
FYI, I used GT Racing in the States for my aero parts as they were relatively affordable (unlike Porsche's motorsport dept!). Carbon quality seems quite decent but ultimately the fit and finish is not show car quality. Still, mine's not meant for polishing. The main issue for me is I found the standard Cup splitter did not balance the larger rear wing at speeds (it works well with the RS OEM wing), and out on track I have to fit a much deeper fibreglass splitter so as to avoid soiling myself. I would be interested to know how you get on with aero.
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