996/997 GT3 how obtainable are they.
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Geesus said:
Ha! Just to throw a spanner in the works...
I wonder if one can get UK finance for a car purchased offshore?
Resale in the U.K for a LHD GT3 would be near impossible wouldn't it?
I nearly bought a new Z4M Coupe in Germany back in 2007. One of the chaps on here who does car finance, was more than happy to finance a car acquired abroad. At the end I bought one here. I wonder if one can get UK finance for a car purchased offshore?
Resale in the U.K for a LHD GT3 would be near impossible wouldn't it?
Resale on LHD GT3 impossible?! What makes you say that - given that RHD is impossible to get, I bet there will be plenty of UK enthusiasts who will buy LHD and enjoy the saving if you ever want to sell on. Think of the E30 M3 - LHD only has not stopped it going mental. Similar story with the 964RS. I specifically went LHD with my 996 GT3 CS this is how it was engineered to start with, the driving position is better, you also get the much bigger 89liter tank and last, but not least - your resale market is the whole of Europe not just the UK.
The one in the advert has been tuned - aftermarket headers and suspension. Original parts are still available. Has full service history and the owner is happy to provide test drives. Switzerland is another place where GT3s are very cheap. Add 10% to asking prices to account for import duty + VAT...
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/marktplatz/porsc...
£44k landed in the UK with a list of mods and recent maintainence that will make Mr Know-all-need-to-talk-s
t-demon spill his porridge. 
keep it lit said:
fk that BMW sounds ACE! GT3 showing it's higher power-to-weight ratio and long 3rd gear. CSL was like an angry wasp that keeps coming back 
Cheburator mk2 said:
The one in the advert has been tuned - aftermarket headers and suspension. Original parts are still available. Has full service history and the owner is happy to provide test drives. Switzerland is another place where GT3s are very cheap. Add 10% to asking prices to account for import duty + VAT...
https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/marktplatz/porsc...
£44k landed in the UK with a list of mods and recent maintainence that will make Mr Know-all-need-to-talk-st-demon spill his porridge.
That's very nice, colour is nice too, is it a factory colour (excuse my ignorance). https://www.comparis.ch/carfinder/marktplatz/porsc...
£44k landed in the UK with a list of mods and recent maintainence that will make Mr Know-all-need-to-talk-s
t-demon spill his porridge. What's the procedure here roughly on importing something from Europe?
Can I buy said car, drive it back to the U.K and then start the process?. Or is it more involved like back in New Zealand
I guess I'm in the fortunate position of owning both a 996.1 GT3 CS and a CSL. Both epic cars, with the huge sense of occasion; although VERY different.
The induction noise from the CSL is unique. Sure the SMG 'box is an acquired taste but once mastered it feels so right, and lightning quick gear changes too. The brakes are the achilles heel despite being specially developed for the CSL. Thankfully, AP do a 6 pot caliper and big disc conversion for a little over £2k. CSLs are still seemingly good value in the UK (especially when compared to CSL prices in Germany). Excellent cars are ~£40k - but do your homework.
The GT3 as most people who owned one will recognise is a VERY special car indeed, agile, tactile and so engaging. Whilst the noise isn't quite as brutal as a CSL at full chat - its utterly addictive. Unfortunately the increased values of Porsches over the last year has put this fabulous car out of many enthusiasts reach - 996.1 GT3 CSs are a rare beast, and to my mind an RS in all but name. I can't remember the last time I saw one advertised for sale, I imagine good ones would command £60k+ nowadays - may be more?
A good friend of mine owned a couple of 1Ms, and whilst they are capable cars, they are not 'special' in the same way as a 96 GT3 or CSL is, suffice to say they didn't remain in his collection very long. By comparison to a CSL/GT3 they are a little bland, with no real sense of occasion; albeit a quick point to point road car which could easily double up as a daily driver. I recall the brakes on a 1M are also left wanting after some spirited driving, as with the CSL an AP 6 pot and big disc conversion will address this. With values of 1Ms slowly creeping up, they make a good CSL look like exceptional value.
The induction noise from the CSL is unique. Sure the SMG 'box is an acquired taste but once mastered it feels so right, and lightning quick gear changes too. The brakes are the achilles heel despite being specially developed for the CSL. Thankfully, AP do a 6 pot caliper and big disc conversion for a little over £2k. CSLs are still seemingly good value in the UK (especially when compared to CSL prices in Germany). Excellent cars are ~£40k - but do your homework.
The GT3 as most people who owned one will recognise is a VERY special car indeed, agile, tactile and so engaging. Whilst the noise isn't quite as brutal as a CSL at full chat - its utterly addictive. Unfortunately the increased values of Porsches over the last year has put this fabulous car out of many enthusiasts reach - 996.1 GT3 CSs are a rare beast, and to my mind an RS in all but name. I can't remember the last time I saw one advertised for sale, I imagine good ones would command £60k+ nowadays - may be more?
A good friend of mine owned a couple of 1Ms, and whilst they are capable cars, they are not 'special' in the same way as a 96 GT3 or CSL is, suffice to say they didn't remain in his collection very long. By comparison to a CSL/GT3 they are a little bland, with no real sense of occasion; albeit a quick point to point road car which could easily double up as a daily driver. I recall the brakes on a 1M are also left wanting after some spirited driving, as with the CSL an AP 6 pot and big disc conversion will address this. With values of 1Ms slowly creeping up, they make a good CSL look like exceptional value.
I've just sold my CSL after 4 years, longest I kept a car before that was 12 months. The only reason it's gone is I'm overseas a lot and when I'm home and need a fun car I have the GT3 RS sat there.
In a lot of situatios the CSL is more fun than the GT3. Especially on a UK B road.
If I had missed the boat so to speak with gt3 prices or just couldn't find a good one I certainly wouldn't feel short changed by a CSL. Hell of a car... (With APs fitted
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In a lot of situatios the CSL is more fun than the GT3. Especially on a UK B road.
If I had missed the boat so to speak with gt3 prices or just couldn't find a good one I certainly wouldn't feel short changed by a CSL. Hell of a car... (With APs fitted
)Phooey said:
keep it lit said:
fk that BMW sounds ACE! GT3 showing it's higher power-to-weight ratio and long 3rd gear. CSL was like an angry wasp that keeps coming back Great vid but left wondering as to both drivers experience and track knowledge would have been really interesting to see the CSL go in front for a lap as the driver/car seemed better the the squiggly bits.
Personally I'm still coming to terms with all the weight sitting out back which makes me nervous to push to hard.
Great watching though.
Personally I'm still coming to terms with all the weight sitting out back which makes me nervous to push to hard.
Great watching though.
SidewaysSi said:
How does a tweaked 993 or 964 compare? I assume they won't be as quick as a GT3 or CSL but would be as much fun, particularly on the road? I am thinking aspects such as feel, handling etc.
Hi Si, interesting idea. I do love the 964 and 993, visually more than the 996 and 997 but it would have to be a turbo and those are both well beyond my reach until I win the lottery. Steve Rance said:
I agree. The CSL is a very good car and, kept the 996 GT3 very honest. I am not denigrating the 1M but the CSL ( when fitted with decent brakes) can circulate a race track all day long without missing a beat and at very similar times to the 996 GT3. Very few cars could or can do that then without falling to bits or having heart failure reasonably quickly. When we took the 996RS to Spa to test the geo set up there was a well driven CSL there driven by a chap called Tony. I think he went on to race a modified CSL in Britcar. His car was a bit modified but not madly and from memory there wasn't a lot of time between the two cars - about 1.5/2 seconds I think. we shared some data traces and it turned out that i was finding a lot of time at eu rouge because I was still accelerating when he was braking. I think that in time, he could have made a bit of that up and reduced the gap. I was hugely impressed with the performance of the CSL. Wherever we went there seemed to be a few being hustled around quite quickly by different drivers. Many had a lot in common with the GT3 drivers of the time in that they were looking for a pure driving experience which was fast and rewarding. thankfully, I do not recall one conversation about stitching during that period.
To me the CSL is an extremely good car - probably one of the very best if not the best M car ever built. A true performance car with serious track credentials. I'm sure that the 1M is very good, but it's far too bulky to be able to circulate at the same pace and reliability as a CSL. It would be like driving a boat by comparison. I'd be very happy to have a CSL in my garage. Obviously, i'd prefer a 996GT3 but if I were struggling to find the budget to buy one, a CSL would definitely be my first choice.
Another excellent post.To me the CSL is an extremely good car - probably one of the very best if not the best M car ever built. A true performance car with serious track credentials. I'm sure that the 1M is very good, but it's far too bulky to be able to circulate at the same pace and reliability as a CSL. It would be like driving a boat by comparison. I'd be very happy to have a CSL in my garage. Obviously, i'd prefer a 996GT3 but if I were struggling to find the budget to buy one, a CSL would definitely be my first choice.
6 GT3 & E46CSL are icons, and will be even as new GT3's & CSL's are introduced
1M's shine will fade with the M2.
Geesus said:
SidewaysSi said:
How does a tweaked 993 or 964 compare? I assume they won't be as quick as a GT3 or CSL but would be as much fun, particularly on the road? I am thinking aspects such as feel, handling etc.
Hi Si, interesting idea. I do love the 964 and 993, visually more than the 996 and 997 but it would have to be a turbo and those are both well beyond my reach until I win the lottery. Of course another option is a Lotus, in particular an Exige S2 which is easily in budget. And they hold their value pretty well too...
Lastly, perhaps sacrilege for some but a modified 996 C2 e.g what RPM have done here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by SidewaysSi on Thursday 1st January 17:13
SidewaysSi said:
How does a tweaked 993 or 964 compare? I assume they won't be as quick as a GT3 or CSL but would be as much fun, particularly on the road? I am thinking aspects such as feel, handling etc.
For me significantly more fun on the road (especially UK roads) ... and crucially, fun for a hell of a lot more of the time.Edited by jackal on Thursday 1st January 17:35
ttdan said:
Phooey said:
keep it lit said:
fk that BMW sounds ACE! GT3 showing it's higher power-to-weight ratio and long 3rd gear. CSL was like an angry wasp that keeps coming back Slippydiff said:
ttdan said:
TB993tt said:
LaSource said:
Anyway, you knew what I meant without trying to be trollish about making yourself feel good.
You said the word in every single post, presumably trying to make yourself feel good about the leveraged (I am guessing but probably correct given your obsession with the word) purchases in your profile - I fking hate the way that so many people are just into these cars to make money and not to drive and enjoy them for what they are..... anyway HNY to you and all 
In fairness to Toby, that's BS. I really don't think you could accuse him of being vitriolic "at times".......
..... much fairer to say he's consistently so.
Given the chance to belittle anyone, Toby's always been more than willing to step up to the plate. T'was ever thus.
OP. Have owned M3 CSL, 1M Coupe and Mk1 GT3, and would love to comment on here, but I think PH has pretty much reached the point of no return. Posting on here these days is akin to a broken pencil ........
Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 31st December 00:34
Read all the comments and to me it seems it depands whether you are into road use or road + track. I'm only doing road work and i've had M3s and other Porsches and to me the 6GT3 is not only about the performance/handling and build integrity but also the whole ambience of sitting in the recaros and seeing the cage when you're driving and looking at the car as it sits in the garage and smelling it as it cools down. It speaks to you! Love it to bits!
I used finance so I could buy a gen 2 997 gt3rs in feb 2014 for £89k
I used it as a daily driver, drove it to Le Mans, did a couple of track days and generally had a great time covering 6000 miles in 4 months
In month 5 I was offered £125k so I sold it , cleared the finance and bought a 1M with the change
The market is weird right now, get in using whatever method works before these terrific cars become unobtainable
Ps my 1m is for sale, if you're interested pm me
I used it as a daily driver, drove it to Le Mans, did a couple of track days and generally had a great time covering 6000 miles in 4 months
In month 5 I was offered £125k so I sold it , cleared the finance and bought a 1M with the change
The market is weird right now, get in using whatever method works before these terrific cars become unobtainable
Ps my 1m is for sale, if you're interested pm me
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