997 GT3 Gen 1 Club sport - Anybody know this car ?

997 GT3 Gen 1 Club sport - Anybody know this car ?

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Buffalo Girls

263 posts

211 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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ro51ter said:
Before wasting time traveling up check the garages history.
Does this dealer have a good reputation?

Buffalo Girls

263 posts

211 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Zunfolge said:
Pete A.

I fully understand your concerns but place the shoe on the other foot ,80k cash is nothing to be sniffed at. I have not asked to strip your car, just stated that to really see any car properly a thorough inspection is required (by a third party) these cars are extremely hard to find unblemished and such an inspection does require a certain amount of investigation. I have seen 8 ( not all cs) in the last 12 months 3 where lovely but sold, 3 rather average and 2 certainly avoidable.

Just trying to avoid a long trip.

Nobody know this car ? Looks like a trip may be in order.

Peter
Were the average and avoidable examples at independents or OPCs?

jackwood

2,608 posts

207 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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OP, you have been looking for a car for a year that meets your inspection criteria?

In that time prices have risen 20% and you haven't had any enjoyment out of one of the best road cars it's possible to buy.

I get the idea of not wanting to buy a bent car, but I also think this whole "inspection" thing can be taken a bit too far. It's like you don't actually want to buy a car at all smile

Life's too short.

kas750

77 posts

110 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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It's very hard to tick all the boxes right now and I think some slight compromise will be needed.
My spec of choice was a clubsport with PCCB's and these are few and far between on the open market.

Personally if I was to go through the buying process again I would register my interest with one of the reputed indies like 911virgin and wait for them to locate a car for you.They will stick to it like glue if anything goes wrong and they value their reputation above any other factor which is what you want when spending what to me is an enormous amount of money.











Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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kas750 said:
It's very hard to tick all the boxes right now and I think some slight compromise will be needed.
My spec of choice was a clubsport with PCCB's and these are few and far between on the open market.

Personally if I was to go through the buying process again I would register my interest with one of the reputed indies like 911virgin and wait for them to locate a car for you.They will stick to it like glue if anything goes wrong and they value their reputation above any other factor which is what you want when spending what to me is an enormous amount of money.


Someone mention CS with Pccb? 😉

Zunfolge

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16 posts

109 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Gents,

Email is such a difficult medium to use and is fraught with danger on every corner. I enjoy ready the posts but generally shy away from posting myself as would hate to be caught up in a table tennis match .

No ill feelings from me at all ever to anyone .

No screw drivers in hand for Porsche inspections from me either ! Do you mind if I bring a socket set smile

Lets be clear I couldn't image anything worse as a seller OMG you would like to do what !!!

What I am trying to say is that if a car checks out visually and has perfect body work all panel lines are consistent, bumpers line up perfectly, window codes match, rev check, good service history and care, brakes show no signs of abuse and no spray work-- all is well and no need for the dreaded screw driver on inspection.tongue out

But lets say there is a minor inconsistency then surely this needs to be looked into a little bit further. We are not talking about a 20k car here-- top money should be perfect and if not surely the reason should be either obvious and if not a question mark should be raised.

I have been looking for a year sadly frown I have seen a few and heard of a few horror stories some from Porsche themselves. In my mind the specialist dealers are going to be more thorough in an inspection and as others have said JZM,RPM,Paragon,JAZ,Fern autofarm and a few more all can perform a decent inspection.

While I am in confession mode, I have a small issue with low mileage cars having rims being redone too --- awaiting hate mail from the force !

What is the first thing that hits the kerb ? What is the second thing that takes a knock....not all offs are going to show body damage. In the old days ( I am not young anymore ) e30 bmws more than one smile (when rev limiters were there to limit revs and not condemn a car smile had an off, rear end went a little further than expected (well it wasnt going to be the front was it!). The rear hit a kerb popped the tyre and cracked the rim . A month later rear wheel bearing and then a while after that the dif was not as happy as it used to be. Now of course the dif may not be related but it cemented the fact that not all offs are going to show in body work to me.

These cars being what they are should be used as intended and as such many have had offs of various kinds...which is not a problem as long as open about all known events.

Thanks for all the comments. What a place!

Peter



Zunfolge

Original Poster:

16 posts

109 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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gents

The cars that I found to be avoidable were at non Porsche specialists which is why I ask the question on this forum. In fact if we go back further than a year I a went to see a 996 gt2 that was for reasonable money but when not even a meter away you could clearly see it had had major work.

There are perfect cars out there and I have seen a few at the independent specialists ( all sold in a day or 2 ).Seen one or two private nice ones as well just not ready at the time.



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Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Zunfolge said:
gents

The cars that I found to be avoidable were at non Porsche specialists which is why I ask the question on this forum. In fact if we go back further than a year I a went to see a 996 gt2 that was for reasonable money but when not even a meter away you could clearly see it had had major work.

There are perfect cars out there and I have seen a few at the independent specialists ( all sold in a day or 2 ).Seen one or two private nice ones as well just not ready at the time.



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Strictly car porn old boy......

ttdan

1,091 posts

192 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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jackwood said:
OP, you have been looking for a car for a year that meets your inspection criteria?

In that time prices have risen 20% and you haven't had any enjoyment out of one of the best road cars it's possible to buy.

I get the idea of not wanting to buy a bent car, but I also think this whole "inspection" thing can be taken a bit too far. It's like you don't actually want to buy a car at all smile

Life's too short.
Can't help but have some empathy with this point. Maybe you should have bought a new one :-) anyway this is where the good independents add their value in as much as they will take care of any problems should they occur. Even an Opc car will come with a pretty robust warranty. Why not let them underwrite your paranoia and just get on with driving and enjoying. I know that the thrill of the chase is part of the fun but unless you just want one to be buried in maybe leave the socket set at home?beer

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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The issue in this market is that if you are very demanding or fussy, the likelihood is that the car will be gone before you've made all your checks. I don't mean that in a critical way; it's just the way the market is working currently.

As has been said, the deliberation has cost you quite a lot of money in the last 12 months. I have paid £75k for a Comfort from an OPC - basically what the car cost new. Two years ago I could have bought a Clubsport for £55k.

Zunfolge

Original Poster:

16 posts

109 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Gents,

Painfully aware of the market the last year. As I intend to keep the car for 2 years and then sell the price rises do not have such an impact....I think of it as asset diversification . makes me feel better anyway.

I dont see anything wrong with wanting a car of this nature inspected by a competent person. I am no expert and want to protect my interests and future sell on.

Club sports are hard to find and there are not many ...just looking at the avoidance thread on this forum is enough to reach for a pack of imodium . How many 997's club sports are there ?..how many on the avoidance thread and or known to have had work...do the math and it does not look good!!

Perhaps over cautious....


SignalGruen

630 posts

199 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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mm450exc said:
85k for a gen1? Ouch! LHD not for you? At this point I would buy in Germany.
This. Was casually looking a few months ago when they where circa £65k, but at £85k would rather go LHD.

jackwood

2,608 posts

207 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Over cautious? Maybe a little.

Like I said, I understand not wanting to buy a bent car. But to not buy a 7 or 8 year old car, regardless of mileage, because the wheels have been refurbished may be taking things a tad too far.

At the end of the day it has to come down to realistic expectation.

From your description it sounds like you want a track-focused car (CS spec) that has never been on track or driven hard in it's 7-8 year life. That in itself is starting to push the boundary of realistic expectation for me. Add in all your other caveats and the sum of those add up to a unicorn car.

I don't want to come across as being argumentative. I am purely pointing this out as these cars are wonderful wonderful machines. Machine, being the operative word. Denying yourself access to the experience by some self-imposed unrealistic idealism is such a real shame. I WANT you to buy a car, and I want you to enjoy it. I can't believe that a wheel refurb or a new windscreen or stone chip on the nose or gravel rash on the sills will prevent you from getting anything but the deepest satisfaction from the driving and ownership experience smile

HokumPokum

2,049 posts

204 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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+1

No track use is unrealistic and prolly not great for the car

Zunfolge

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16 posts

109 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Gents,

As always email is not the best medium.Not wanting to buy a car because it has refurbed wheels is indeed a slight over exaggeration...niot sure where that was written but it is friday afternoon beer
I have no problem buying a car with refurbished wheels, just nervous about it and lets face it hypothetically if a car had refurbed wheels and a respray would you not ask yourself a question ? Well if not then each to his own I suppose.

Track car not tracked ---can be found --I believe mr Rance has just such a toy smile They are out there. No problem buying a car with slight road rash boys -have no idea where that came from

Just wanted to know if anyone knew the car.....my personal preference for a car was no but seems to now be in debate.

Is there anything wrong with wanting a car that is in superb condition ?

does anybody know the car ?

Peter

pete a

3,799 posts

183 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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There is another low mileage white clubsport for sale which went on today. I don't know either car but it might be worth a look?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Scooty100

1,469 posts

115 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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pete a said:
There is another low mileage white clubsport for sale which went on today. I don't know either car but it might be worth a look?

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Lovely...Needs Black wheels and pccb imo . Stunning condition

mm450exc

564 posts

177 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Zunfolge

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16 posts

109 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Now LHD is making a lot of sense and that other white one looks very interesting -but weary of non indy frown .

Will sleep on it and make contact with them both.

Peter

pete a

3,799 posts

183 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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mm450exc said:
Not really, thats got 35000 miles on it and while there is nothing wrong with a left hand drive car, if it's not what you wanted it will always bug you.