GT3 Over revs - AGAIN!
Discussion
Scooty100 said:
Good luck with it.
Just out of curiosity it'd be good to know if the OPC offers you more than you paid for it.
Cheers
They've offered a lot more than I paid for it. Part of me wants to sell it to them so they pay more for a car they previously sold, the other part of me just wants as much as I can get. Obviously. Just out of curiosity it'd be good to know if the OPC offers you more than you paid for it.
Cheers
Let's just say - I wish I'd bought all of the GT3's on sale at the time (they were all similar money). I'd be sitting on a nice little car lot.... over revs or not!
mollytherocker said:
I am not sure what you can achieve really. It is what it is whether you like it or not.
You say you have had a decent bid on the car, so take it?
Having said that, I wouldnt be surprised if this thread gets you a sale at a higher price.
I am sure thats not your intention.
Let's not pick peanuts out of s**t, that's exactly my intention. You say you have had a decent bid on the car, so take it?
Having said that, I wouldnt be surprised if this thread gets you a sale at a higher price.
I am sure thats not your intention.
Why have I not already taken the two dealer bids or the private bid I've received this week..... Because the dealers NEED to make £10k (OPC) or £5k (Indy) and the private is from someone who can't proceed until the end of the month.
It's like everything - speculation buys you nothing - cash will buy you an appreciating GT3.
Also, I haven't advertised the car yet.
ro51ter said:
Be shocked if any op offered you anymore than 55 to 60k for that car.
Great how people try and talk up values!
The Gt3 world is now full of greed and not about car enjoyment.
Market strength and value has nothing to do with greed - if you were selling a GT3, you'd want the best money you could possibly achieve. To confirm, I've enjoyed every second of ownership and every mile of driving in the GT3 - it's an awesome car and not many others run it close - I'm also going to enjoy spending the significant amount of money I've made through 15 months of ownership. £55 - £60 k - that's less than I bought it for. You're completely out of touch with the market. Great how people try and talk up values!
The Gt3 world is now full of greed and not about car enjoyment.
Edited by BigO1977 on Thursday 5th March 06:09
Thanks for everyone's positive comments - nice to see that there are some genuine Petrol heads that understand the machines in which we invest all our time, money and lives!
I'll let you know how I get on with the sale and where it eventually ends up!
All the best to you all.
I'll let you know how I get on with the sale and where it eventually ends up!
All the best to you all.
Edited by BigO1977 on Thursday 5th March 06:08
m33ufo said:
Re the 996.
Unfortunately for me (at the time), I was categorically advised that you couldn't get into either of the two rev ranges on a 996 by just accelerating into the limiter.
Back to the OP's car. Porsche will only renew warrantly on a 997 (without further investigation), if there are no hits beyond range 2. My problem with that car would be having to jump through costly hoops at every warranty renewal. And come resale, having to endure the same questioning over RR hits and likely offer a price reduction to compensate.
Incorrect I'm afraid - I spoke to the Main dealer yesterday about renewal of the warranty - they wouldn't need to investigate any more than on any other vehicle. No hoops to jump through at renewal time. The car was over revved over 600 hours ago - that's nearly 20,000 miles ago. The technician said that they don't even second glance a car that has over revs over 500 hours ago. However, within 0-100 hours is a different matter..... 4+ RR and they'll compression test the engine before Germany sanctions the warranty - a hoop, yes, but hardly a long and painstaking process. This is what Porsche said yesterday, so I'd favour their advice over anyone else - they're the ones that warrant the cars at the end of the day....... Not Dave down the road that used to have a Covin 911 replica with a fiesta engine. If we can't trust what the main dealer says, there's no hope for anyone buying a second hand GT3. Unfortunately for me (at the time), I was categorically advised that you couldn't get into either of the two rev ranges on a 996 by just accelerating into the limiter.
Back to the OP's car. Porsche will only renew warrantly on a 997 (without further investigation), if there are no hits beyond range 2. My problem with that car would be having to jump through costly hoops at every warranty renewal. And come resale, having to endure the same questioning over RR hits and likely offer a price reduction to compensate.
Edited by m33ufo on Thursday 5th March 15:25
996GT2 said:
The advice is clearly different at different OPCs then as my car was compression tested with RR3 events from 600 hours ago - as I mentioned above they sold me the car with these already on it 2 years earlier. They told me that it didn't matter how long ago it was if it had a RR3+ logged it would need a compression test before a warranty would be applied.
I don't think there's clear guidance from Porsche on this as different OPCs treat it differently, it's all just a load of horses
t they use as and when to book more hours in the workshop.
I can only comment on my local Porsche garage in Sollihul TBH - and I know they need to take their pound of flesh from every transaction! I don't think there's clear guidance from Porsche on this as different OPCs treat it differently, it's all just a load of horses
t they use as and when to book more hours in the workshop.I tried to leverage a preferential order on the new RS - unfortunately, they've been taking orders for 5 years and they have 20 orders for every 3 cars that will be made available to the dealers. It seems you can't even buy your way in these days! Maybe my transition to the i8 couldn't come at a better time!
ro51ter said:
I'm aware of the both the current and previous Porsche GT market. I'm also realistic in what an opc would need to make out of a car like this one to stay in business.
We can all try and drive our car prices up, didn't this happen in the late 80s early 90s
I think it's happened much more recently than that with the old 'last of the air cooled' promotion. Look at 993's and much more recently 964 prices, not to mention the RS and homolgation specials. The older classic 911's are increasing in value exponentially. The 911 world has gone crazy - the 991 GT3 is attracting a £40k + premium even though it's supposedly lost the 997 GT3's 'feel'. All a load of b******s if you ask me - they're all great machines in their own different way. I can't even begin to imagine what the RS is going to be advertised for when the first deliveries come through this year. Out of my price range i'd imagine! I'll end up wishing I hadn't sold my GT3. What can we do........ Find another marque? Not likely. We can all try and drive our car prices up, didn't this happen in the late 80s early 90s
IMIA said:
You know what thinking about it if prices are up at £80-85k in your shoes I'd hold on to your car. There can't be many good crash free original panel cars out there. The RR 1-4 is irrelevant IMO. I think the GT3 may even follow in the footsteps of the 964 RS if it isn't already. Also nice to look under both a GT3 and a 964 RS and see virtually identical crankcases....
If I had the room, this thread wouldn't even exist. I bought the car to keep and enjoy - I've enjoyed and have no room to keep. I suppose due to my expensive hobby, I've neglected to invest in a 3 car garage. I've only got a single garage and it's full of crap. fioran0 said:
Steve,
Be wary drawing comparisons in that way. The street engines are not the race engines when it comes to high rpms. The extra stuff that's added and/or changed on to the street engines reduces the headroom and very much forms weak points.
Motorsport reckon anything over 10k rpm should be opened and looked over to make sure but the reality is that they tend to be robust; and the clutch pressure plates break first saving the engine in practice (on the 996 anyways). The rivets pop on the restraining straps.
The variocam stuff very specifically alters the landscape with the street units (though is not the only factor or component change).
These parts cannot take the over-revs in the way the race units can.
Sadly there is not the data from street units to properly quantify precisely where limits are, and the variocam in particular responds in a complex way to dynamic events. Since not all over-revs are created equal its very difficult to set guidelines on what's ok and what's not.
I suspect this is some of the reason for the rev limit quagmire in the first place; and the shifting sand responses from Porsche over the years when it comes to the road cars is a response to a situation in which they know there's potential for problems but its impossible to neatly quantify it.
Don't get me wrong. I hate the over-rev situation and how messy it is. It's also disappointing that every mention of it turns into a blockbuster thread when stuff about cars withers quickly.
The point of the thread was not to discuss the generic GT3 over rev situation but to specifically question why an engine with an over Rev in range 4 over 600 hours ago (approx 20,000 miles), that has received a compression test and been given a clean bill of health, by way of a main dealer warranty, would be considered a 'risk'? OR is this just another lamination of a subject that will continue to do the rounds on the forums until something more interesting comes along....... Like how the new RS has lost some of the 'poise and precision' of past RS's and should be avoided at all cost (approx £50k over list) Be wary drawing comparisons in that way. The street engines are not the race engines when it comes to high rpms. The extra stuff that's added and/or changed on to the street engines reduces the headroom and very much forms weak points.
Motorsport reckon anything over 10k rpm should be opened and looked over to make sure but the reality is that they tend to be robust; and the clutch pressure plates break first saving the engine in practice (on the 996 anyways). The rivets pop on the restraining straps.
The variocam stuff very specifically alters the landscape with the street units (though is not the only factor or component change).
These parts cannot take the over-revs in the way the race units can.
Sadly there is not the data from street units to properly quantify precisely where limits are, and the variocam in particular responds in a complex way to dynamic events. Since not all over-revs are created equal its very difficult to set guidelines on what's ok and what's not.
I suspect this is some of the reason for the rev limit quagmire in the first place; and the shifting sand responses from Porsche over the years when it comes to the road cars is a response to a situation in which they know there's potential for problems but its impossible to neatly quantify it.
Don't get me wrong. I hate the over-rev situation and how messy it is. It's also disappointing that every mention of it turns into a blockbuster thread when stuff about cars withers quickly.
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