GT3 Over revs - AGAIN!

[berty37]

RR1 in a 997 GT3 is classed as 9000-9200 I think. I read a while ago hitting the limiter does cause it to register an RR1. Its why some cars can have quite a few RR1's and then nothing from RR2-6. A bit of spirited driving as opposed to doing a bad mis shift. Porsche don't care about RR1 or RR2 a while ago even 3 was passed easily but now some ask for a compression test.

[BigO1977]

Scooty100 said:

OP if you read the question properly its asking IF you bought the car for a discount relative to others at the time and there was no mention of asking what you paid for it!

YOu didn't offer that information in the original post so in order to understand a little more of the history and give you a realistic price comparison its not unrealistic to ask.

Sounds like the car is a goodun anyhow as the OPC will buy it back and it has a current warranty. Wonder if they will give you more than you paid for it though? Others as you have highlighted have risen considerably in the last 15 months

They've offered a lot more than I paid for it. Part of me wants to sell it to them so they pay more for a car they previously sold, the other part of me just wants as much as I can get. Obviously.

Let's just say - I wish I'd bought all of the GT3's on sale at the time (they were all similar money). I'd be sitting on a nice little car lot.... over revs or not!

[pete a]

Scooty100 said:

Pete you buy the red gen 1 from jzm? think I remember it

Sure did, there are not many red 997.1's about so i jumped on it pretty quick when they got it.
Strangely as much as i love the car i have some insane urge to get an RS, would love Green but they are not about, so maybe orange????

its an addiction of sorts i'm sure.

[pete a]

GoatRider said:

Taken from the aforementioned article.

I get that chart but the rev limit on a 997 GT3 is 8400, RR1 on that chart is some way over that????

[BigO1977]

berty37 said:

RR1 in a 997 GT3 is classed as 9000-9200 I think. I read a while ago hitting the limiter does cause it to register an RR1. Its why some cars can have quite a few RR1's and then nothing from RR2-6. A bit of spirited driving as opposed to doing a bad mis shift. Porsche don't care about RR1 or RR2 a while ago even 3 was passed easily but now some ask for a compression test.

Apparently, the Turbo's are very susceptible to over rev in R1 due to the speed catching owners out.

We've all suffered a miss shift at one time or another - I remember having real problems with a Maserati 222 with a dog leg box a few years back.... which doesn't suggest that the car has been thrashed, just a little user error. The fact is that the Germans work to pretty significant tolerances on their engines - the GT3, as mentioned in an earlier response, has a bullet proof engine and gearbox. Just look at what they're built for..

[V8KSN]

thegoose said:

I'd venture to suggest that cars with no rev ranges whatsoever (i.e. even range 1, at/everso slightly over the limiter) are more of a risk as they show no evidence of having been exercised properly - would you want to take the risk on an engine that may never have been above 5,000 rpm?

I'd venture to suggest that cars with no rev ranges whatsoever (i.e. even range 1, at/everso slightly over the limiter) have been driven sympathetically by people who don't miss shifts!

Mine gets spanked!

[BigO1977]

pete a said:

Sure did, there are not many red 997.1's about so i jumped on it pretty quick when they got it.
Strangely as much as i love the car i have some insane urge to get an RS, would love Green but they are not about, so maybe orange????

its an addiction of sorts i'm sure.

A very healthy addiction.

[Scooty100]

pete a said:

Sure did, there are not many red 997.1's about so i jumped on it pretty quick when they got it.
Strangely as much as i love the car i have some insane urge to get an RS, would love Green but they are not about, so maybe orange????

its an addiction of sorts i'm sure.

There u go remember it well and yes Red is v rare. As most on here say there is too little difference in the gen 1 RS over the regular car. Ive been down this road pete

[BigO1977]

V8KSN said:

I'd venture to suggest that cars with no rev ranges whatsoever (i.e. even range 1, at/everso slightly over the limiter) have been driven sympathetically by people who don't miss shifts!

Mine gets spanked!

But spanked doesn't mean you miss shifts and over rev..... surely?

[fredt]

Obviously makes fekk all difference. And unless there is another car that is identical in all areas it won't affect your price.

And you could probably get the counter reset to whatever value you wish, at least on the 996 I know of tuners who have cracked it.

[V8KSN]

BigO1977 said:

But spanked doesn't mean you miss shifts and over rev..... surely?

By spanked I mean driven as it SHOULD be driven, change up at the right time and change down without causing an over rev.

[Alpinestars]

pete a said:

Sure did, there are not many red 997.1's about so i jumped on it pretty quick when they got it.
Strangely as much as i love the car i have some insane urge to get an RS, would love Green but they are not about, so maybe orange????

its an addiction of sorts i'm sure.

There are some green ones still around

[BigO1977]

pete a said:

And that is what confuses me, does anyone no for certain? I bought my car from JZM and it had 18 ignitions in RR1 and none in 2-5, so all ok in my opinion.
in my ownership i have bounced it of the limiter when overtaking maybe two or three times, just curious as whether i've racked up more RR1's or not.
i'll probably get them to do me a DME report when i have it serviced next, the results should be interesting as i have definitely not pissed up a downshift.

Bouncing off the rev limited is fine - you won't see any difference from the original RR1 over revs.

[Steve Rance]

Too much hysteria relating to rev range incidents in Mezger engines. It is a racing unit that will take 12000 rpm buzzes and hold together. I buzed a 996 Cup to nearly 12k when i missed a downshift at Castle coombe. We fitted a new clutch after quali and it ran for the races - which it won - and for another 50 hours until the end of the season. All the internals were checked during the refresh and were absolutely fine with no sign of any wear or damage.

These engine get abused all of the time in racing environments and regularly record 11-12000RPM on thier motec loggers. I dont know of any engine that failed as a result or - more tellingly - of any team that thought it appropriate to consider an immediate rebuild/refresh. They are a £40k unit to replace so if there was a hint of the need for a rebuilt, it would get done and they take a huge ammount more abuse in a racing environment compared to the road

Your car will be absolutely fine with the miniscule number of ingitions in the rev range incident. If there would have been any damage (which there wouldnt), it would have happened within a few hours of the incident.

I spent a long time looking for a good 997.1 Clubbie and would not have been put off in the slightest by the rev ranges that your car has recorded. The engine has been developed to withstand that and a whole lot more.

[V8KSN]

Alpinestars said:

There are some green ones still around

That's gorgeous!

Are they RS98 wheels?

[berty37]

BigO1977 said:

Apparently, the Turbo's are very susceptible to over rev in R1 due to the speed catching owners out.

We've all suffered a miss shift at one time or another - I remember having real problems with a Maserati 222 with a dog leg box a few years back.... which doesn't suggest that the car has been thrashed, just a little user error. The fact is that the Germans work to pretty significant tolerances on their engines - the GT3, as mentioned in an earlier response, has a bullet proof engine and gearbox. Just look at what they're built for..

The Mezger engine in the Turbo traces its routes back to the old GT1 block I think and that is one of the most bullet proof engines Porsche has ever made along with its NA counterpart in the GT3. The rev ranges on the Turbo are set less and to be honest it makes sense..after the Turbo has spooled up pretty daft to continue to push it further.

[BigO1977]

Steve Rance said:

Too much hysteria relating to rev range incidents in Mezger engines. It is a racing unit that will take 12000 rpm buzzes and hold together. I buzed a 996 Cup to nearly 12k when i missed a downshift at Castle coombe. We fitted a new clutch after quali and it ran for the races - which it won - and for another 50 hours until the end of the season. All the internals were checked during the refresh and were absolutely fine with no sign of any wear or damage.

These engine get abused all of the time in racing environments and regularly record 11-12000RPM on thier motec loggers. I dont know of any engine that failed as a result or - more tellingly - of any team that thought it appropriate to consider an immediate rebuild/refresh. They are a £40k unit to replace so if there was a hint of the need for a rebuilt, it would get done and they take a huge ammount more abuse in a racing environment compared to the road

Your car will be absolutely fine with the miniscule number of ingitions in the rev range incident. If there would have been any damage (which there wouldnt), it would have happened within a few hours of the incident.

I spent a long time looking for a good 997.1 Clubbie and would not have been put off in the slightest by the rev ranges that your car has recorded. The engine has been developed to withstand that and a whole lot more.

Appreciate your comments - Castle Coombe is my old stomping ground when I lived in Bristol. Great track - takes no prisoners.

[Steve Rance]

Yes. A chap and his testicles become somewhat closer at that circuit

[pete a]

Alpinestars said:

There are some green ones still around

Arrrrggggghhhhhh

You dont want a red one and a pile of cash do you?


Thats so nice.

Edited by pete a on Wednesday 4th March 20:55

[mm450exc]

OP - Why you selling anyway? Very nice car!