GT3 Over revs - AGAIN!

GT3 Over revs - AGAIN!

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BigO1977

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39 posts

176 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Steve Rance said:
Yes. A chap and his testicles become somewhat closer at that circuit
Never forget a mate of mine chasing me (Dialynx RS4) in his Alfa GTV Cup - I saw him airborne over that crest in my rear mirror then sliding across the S bend into the tyres.

Off topic, but very amusing.

GoatRider

72 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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pete a said:
I get that chart but the rev limit on a 997 GT3 is 8400, RR1 on that chart is some way over that????
Pete, the 8400 you refer to; is that the start of your red markings zone on your dial or the point at which your limiter cuts in? The red zone usually spans several hundred revs. I avoid the limiter but were I so inclined I would not actually be able to stare at the dial long enough to see what the reading was when the limiter cuts (the limiter would also bounce the needle around and make it hard to gauge).
So the answer must be that Porsche have a precise number for the rev limiter somewhere.

Nick

BigO1977

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176 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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mm450exc said:
OP - Why you selling anyway? Very nice car!
i8 arrives in a few weeks and I don't have the space to keep the GT3.

I'm hoping to order an RS this week, but can't rely on the ballot.

V8KSN

4,711 posts

184 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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At the moment there are not many 997 GT3's for sale anyway and the fact your car has recorded an over rev for a fraction of a second yionks ago will have no effect on the value I think.

Just put it up for what you want and someone will buy it, its a great car and it still has a warranty!

pete a

3,799 posts

184 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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V8KSN said:
At the moment there are not many 997 GT3's for sale anyway and the fact your car has recorded an over rev for a fraction of a second yionks ago will have no effect on the value I think.

Just put it up for what you want and someone will buy it, its a great car and it still has a warranty!
Agreed, with that spec and in blue £84,995. All the other cars are white, whites nice, but popular.

kas750

77 posts

111 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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BigO1977 said:
Pete - I've been told by a very well respected independent - 'you could drive the GT3 round the track all day bouncing off the rev limited and it won't register any over revs'.

However, if the driver changes from 5th to 2nd, it'll probably register an over rev.

The limiter prevents over revs on the up change, not the down change.

This is the way I understand it anyway.
That's is correct and it was explained to me by an indie that has sold over 100 GT3's.

BigO1977

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39 posts

176 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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pete a said:
Agreed, with that spec and in blue £84,995. All the other cars are white, whites nice, but popular.
£85k would be nice.

Scooty100

1,469 posts

116 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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BigO1977 said:
£85k would be nice.
Good luck with it.

Just out of curiosity it'd be good to know if the OPC offers you more than you paid for it.

Cheers

BigO1977

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176 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Scooty100 said:
Good luck with it.

Just out of curiosity it'd be good to know if the OPC offers you more than you paid for it.

Cheers
They've offered a lot more than I paid for it. Part of me wants to sell it to them so they pay more for a car they previously sold, the other part of me just wants as much as I can get. Obviously.

Let's just say - I wish I'd bought all of the GT3's on sale at the time (they were all similar money). I'd be sitting on a nice little car lot.... over revs or not!

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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BigO1977 said:
They've offered a lot more than I paid for it. Part of me wants to sell it to them so they pay more for a car they previously sold, the other part of me just wants as much as I can get. Obviously.

Let's just say - I wish I'd bought all of the GT3's on sale at the time (they were all similar money). I'd be sitting on a nice little car lot.... over revs or not!
If you want a new RS....they may be tempted to offer you one if they can buy your GT3??

thegoose

8,075 posts

210 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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V8KSN said:
thegoose said:
I'd venture to suggest that cars with no rev ranges whatsoever (i.e. even range 1, at/everso slightly over the limiter) are more of a risk as they show no evidence of having been exercised properly - would you want to take the risk on an engine that may never have been above 5,000 rpm?
I'd venture to suggest that cars with no rev ranges whatsoever (i.e. even range 1, at/everso slightly over the limiter) have been driven sympathetically by people who don't miss shifts!

Mine gets spanked!
Ah, you've proven my point, there is no way of knowing how one with no rev records at all has been driven wink . I appreciate higher ranges indicate a mis-shift but that's not what I was referring to. It's possible that an engine with no records could never have been rev'd above 2,000 rpm, which won't have done it any good at all, at least a few range 1's show the engine's been operated fully within its design specifications.


FWIW I can drive very fast AND sympathetically (in 9 seasons racing in the Porsche Club Championship, circa 120 races, I never once had a car incapable of finishing the race i.e. absolutely 100% reliability, probably unmatched by the rest of the grid) but I've still been known to hit a rev limiter occasionally. My 17 year old 996 Carrera has a number of Range 1's, last time I looked the most recent shown was also quite recent (i.e. done by me not long before), but no range 2's caused by mis-shifts.

EricE

1,945 posts

129 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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thegoose said:
It's possible that an engine with no records could never have been rev'd above 2,000 rpm, which won't have done it any good at all, at least a few range 1's show the engine's been operated fully within its design specifications.
First Law of Holes: if you are in one, stop digging.

IMIA

9,410 posts

201 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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rr 1-4 is nothing to be concerned about. £85k though - really?!

Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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A friend just paid 87K for a Club sport with similar miles.

GoatRider

72 posts

141 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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The 1 owner 996 GT3 Comfort just on in Yorkshire with 34k miles has received several offers, sight unseen, the highest being 75k. What it actually goes for we will never know, unless the new owner fesses up on here.

kas750

77 posts

111 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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We all know the engines are good for the high revs but it doesn't change the view of most people that are looking to buy.

If you put two GT3's together for sale, one that has over revs logged and the other that has clear rev ranges,which would you buy?


Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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kas750 said:
We all know the engines are good for the high revs but it doesn't change the view of most people that are looking to buy.

If you put two GT3's together for sale, one that has over revs logged and the other that has clear rev ranges,which would you buy?
Personally. The one in the best over all condition. If both the same condition, then the best colour. if the same colour, then over revs.

a leak down rest will put a nervous buyer's mind at rest. Often an engine that's had more 'spirited' use will show a lower leakage than one that's had miss Daisy mincing about in it all of it's life. these engines tend to run better if they are used reasonably hard anyway

kas750

77 posts

111 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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Steve Rance said:
Personally. The one in the best over all condition. If both the same condition, then the best colour. if the same colour, then over revs.

a leak down rest will put a nervous buyer's mind at rest. Often an engine that's had more 'spirited' use will show a lower leakage than one that's had miss Daisy mincing about in it all of it's life
I wouldn't start to argue with you on what you say.I am just putting a point forward from the view of the average layman that has done some research before buying.





Steve Rance

5,446 posts

231 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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kas750 said:
I wouldn't start to argue with you on what you say.I am just putting a point forward from the view of the average layman that has done some research before buying.
Fully understand Old Thing.

Cant blame a chap for being cautious. Just trying to add some perspective to the debate

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Wednesday 4th March 2015
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I am not sure what you can achieve really. It is what it is whether you like it or not.

You say you have had a decent bid on the car, so take it?

Having said that, I wouldnt be surprised if this thread gets you a sale at a higher price.

I am sure thats not your intention.biggrin