Discussion
Oops - apologies for the interruption to service there...
What is was saying was...
Looking at ether and entry level 911 Turbo (997) or for the same price what would be a further-up-the-range instance of a C2S or something similar.
I'm trying to get a feel for whether stretching to a turbo is naive versus going for a solid Carrera..?
I know people have immediately jumped on the detail but it's really not a detail question. Just looking for people with experience and their gut feel..?
Budget is implicit with 997 Turbos going at £40-44k for entry level. Beyond that, Carrera spec is largely irrelevant from why i can see between Cab vs 4 vs 2 etc... They all come in around the same #
Welcome any views - thanks in advance
What is was saying was...
Looking at ether and entry level 911 Turbo (997) or for the same price what would be a further-up-the-range instance of a C2S or something similar.
I'm trying to get a feel for whether stretching to a turbo is naive versus going for a solid Carrera..?
I know people have immediately jumped on the detail but it's really not a detail question. Just looking for people with experience and their gut feel..?
Budget is implicit with 997 Turbos going at £40-44k for entry level. Beyond that, Carrera spec is largely irrelevant from why i can see between Cab vs 4 vs 2 etc... They all come in around the same #
Welcome any views - thanks in advance
Edited by The_Edge on Monday 20th April 08:00
mollytherocker said:
Budget? Requirements! Preferences?
Rough, some and yes.Just messing.
Budget: entry level 997 Turbos look at be c£45k
Requirement and Preferences from the post you can see are fairly open. Just looking for a groundswell of opinion going one way or the other to help me fettle down precisely those requirements...
I see these as 2 very different approches, with one stretching into the bottom of the turbo space, and the other being right up there in the standard Carrera space with a lower mileage, newer and more modern car.
If there's not much to choose between the two (according to you guys the experts!?) then sure it will come back to preferences....
Hope that makes sense
g7jhp said:
How are you planning on using it - daily drive or weekend?
Do you prefer naturally aspirated or turbo charged cars?
Do you want manual or PDK?
I'd say go and drive both, you'll know which you prefer.
Not seeing any differentiators there....Do you prefer naturally aspirated or turbo charged cars?
Do you want manual or PDK?
I'd say go and drive both, you'll know which you prefer.
- 911 can be both w/end or daily driver
- Naturally aspirated versus Turbo is THE difference between the two but not a differentiator else I wouldn't be asking the question
- Manual available in both
^ if you know everything why bother asking the question?
997 turbo is the ultimate superfast 911. In gen 1 form turbos easily tuneable to approaching 700bhp and still remain perfectly drivable with the running costs of any 911. Be prepared for the odd eye watering bill unless you're buying an opc car with 2 yr warranty which will be more like £55-60k. Turbo in standard form whilst arguably the quickest a-b car in the world can feel a bit aloof and disconnected.
Gen 2 DFI 997 probably the best used sports car on the market. What it loses in power to the turbo it makes up for with touch and feel.
As the poster above recommends - drive both and then decide which suits your driving and budget requirements best...
997 turbo is the ultimate superfast 911. In gen 1 form turbos easily tuneable to approaching 700bhp and still remain perfectly drivable with the running costs of any 911. Be prepared for the odd eye watering bill unless you're buying an opc car with 2 yr warranty which will be more like £55-60k. Turbo in standard form whilst arguably the quickest a-b car in the world can feel a bit aloof and disconnected.
Gen 2 DFI 997 probably the best used sports car on the market. What it loses in power to the turbo it makes up for with touch and feel.
As the poster above recommends - drive both and then decide which suits your driving and budget requirements best...
The_Edge said:
g7jhp said:
How are you planning on using it - daily drive or weekend?
Do you prefer naturally aspirated or turbo charged cars?
Do you want manual or PDK?
I'd say go and drive both, you'll know which you prefer.
Not seeing any differentiators there....Do you prefer naturally aspirated or turbo charged cars?
Do you want manual or PDK?
I'd say go and drive both, you'll know which you prefer.
- 911 can be both w/end or daily driver
- Naturally aspirated versus Turbo is THE difference between the two but not a differentiator else I wouldn't be asking the question
- Manual available in both
It's much easier to make rational decisions if you have a better picture of what you like and how you use it.
You can drive both daily but if you're crawling through traffic you might want PDK which isn't on the 997.1 turbo.
But your choice.
Edited by g7jhp on Monday 20th April 20:16
IMIA said:
^ if you know everything why bother asking the question?
997 turbo is the ultimate superfast 911. In gen 1 form turbos easily tuneable to approaching 700bhp and still remain perfectly drivable with the running costs of any 911. Be prepared for the odd eye watering bill unless you're buying an opc car with 2 yr warranty which will be more like £55-60k. Turbo in standard form whilst arguably the quickest a-b car in the world can feel a bit aloof and disconnected.
Gen 2 DFI 997 probably the best used sports car on the market. What it loses in power to the turbo it makes up for with touch and feel.
As the poster above recommends - drive both and then decide which suits your driving and budget requirements best...
Sheesh - tough group...997 turbo is the ultimate superfast 911. In gen 1 form turbos easily tuneable to approaching 700bhp and still remain perfectly drivable with the running costs of any 911. Be prepared for the odd eye watering bill unless you're buying an opc car with 2 yr warranty which will be more like £55-60k. Turbo in standard form whilst arguably the quickest a-b car in the world can feel a bit aloof and disconnected.
Gen 2 DFI 997 probably the best used sports car on the market. What it loses in power to the turbo it makes up for with touch and feel.
As the poster above recommends - drive both and then decide which suits your driving and budget requirements best...
Appreciate the insight here.
Gen 1 Turbos and their tunability. Might well be something I'd consider down the road so great to know - thanks.
Also point about GenII noted. Sets a bar in the Carrera range.
Thanks
g7jhp said:
You're not being very helpful!
It's much easier to make rational decisions if you have a better picture of what you like and how you use it.
You can drive both daily but if you're crawling through traffic you might want PDK which isn't on the 997.1 turbo.
But your choice.
Maybe I didn't explain myself well enough in the OP - I'm not looking for help per sa just opinion from those with hands on experience across the two I'm looking at to help me make that decision. The obvious criteria are, eel, obvious. I'll absolutely be driving and deciding myself, but the knowledge here about more subtle aspects I can't unearth in a drive is the valuable piece I can't gain by looking and driving a few - above point around tuning for instance I wouldn't have considered but might be interesting down the line.It's much easier to make rational decisions if you have a better picture of what you like and how you use it.
You can drive both daily but if you're crawling through traffic you might want PDK which isn't on the 997.1 turbo.
But your choice.
Edited by g7jhp on Monday 20th April 20:16
Anyway - not looking to cause friction. Appreciate all feedback good bad and ugly
m33ufo said:
If you want to go quickly for around £45K.....997.2S
If you want to go quicker....997.1 turbo
Both car be used daily and easy to live with. But try a 997 Gen 2 PDK if you have to do stop start traffic. If you want to go quicker....997.1 turbo
997.1 turbo is last of the 'Mezger' engined turbos. It's is much quicker and can be tuned (although a 996 turbo is better value and cheaper if you want to go down the modifying route). Manual or tiptronic option on 997.1 turbo (no PDK until 997.2 turbo).
The performance in the 996/997 turbo's is effortless, so you don't have to work it as hard as a non-turbo car to make progress.
997.2 Turbo is a different price point so not worth introducing into the conversation. It is certainly worth the uplift though!
For me the question is if you would want to modify the car, and are willing lose warranty etc. Again, modified vs stock is a whole different debate. All i'll say is that i got rid of a 997.1 Turbo for a 997.2 C4S and was very happy with the change; a better car in every way other than straight-line speed.
As quick as it was, i personally i get used to straight-line speed pretty quickly and just crave more. As a result, a car needs depth to keep me interested. Therefore, the rest of the car has to be up to scratch and i didn't find the Turbo engaging to drive. The engine also has absolutely zero character (drive a GT3 to experience what Mezger really means). Other than being able to say i had a 911 Turbo, i genuinely thought the Golf R i was running at the same time was a better car.
For me the question is if you would want to modify the car, and are willing lose warranty etc. Again, modified vs stock is a whole different debate. All i'll say is that i got rid of a 997.1 Turbo for a 997.2 C4S and was very happy with the change; a better car in every way other than straight-line speed.
As quick as it was, i personally i get used to straight-line speed pretty quickly and just crave more. As a result, a car needs depth to keep me interested. Therefore, the rest of the car has to be up to scratch and i didn't find the Turbo engaging to drive. The engine also has absolutely zero character (drive a GT3 to experience what Mezger really means). Other than being able to say i had a 911 Turbo, i genuinely thought the Golf R i was running at the same time was a better car.
Hi, Both cars are great & I'am sure you'll enjoy driving/owning either. I recently bought a 997 Gen 2 C2S PDK & love it. I previously owned a 996 turbo. My 997 feels more modern & comfortable & power wise not much in it tbh. My budget was a little less than yours so a (nice) 997 turbo was out of reach. But tbh I fancied the NA engine this time round. The turbo will cost a little more to maintain (plugs for instance are much more expensive)but will probably prove to be a better investment if it's a keeper.
[quote=Andrew911]Hi, Both cars are great & I'am sure you'll enjoy driving/owning either. I recently bought a 997 Gen 2 C2S PDK & love it. I previously owned a 996 turbo. My 997 feels more modern & comfortable & power wise not much in it tbh. My budget was a little less than yours so a (nice) 997 turbo was out of reach. But tbh I fancied the NA engine this time round. The turbo will cost a little more to maintain (plugs for instance are much more expensive)but will probably prove to be a better investment if it's a keeper.[/quote
I'm supprised by this I got the opinion over the years of reading on here that the 996tt would be a lot faster than a 2S PDK? I know the PDK speeds things up a fair bit with the changes but still...
I'm supprised by this I got the opinion over the years of reading on here that the 996tt would be a lot faster than a 2S PDK? I know the PDK speeds things up a fair bit with the changes but still...
jakesmith]ndrew911 said:
Hi, Both cars are great & I'am sure you'll enjoy driving/owning either. I recently bought a 997 Gen 2 C2S PDK & love it. I previously owned a 996 turbo. My 997 feels more modern & comfortable & power wise not much in it tbh. My budget was a little less than yours so a (nice) 997 turbo was out of reach. But tbh I fancied the NA engine this time round. The turbo will cost a little more to maintain (plugs for instance are much more expensive)but will probably prove to be a better investment if it's a keeper.[/quote
I'm supprised by this I got the opinion over the years of reading on here that the 996tt would be a lot faster than a 2S PDK? I know the PDK speeds things up a fair bit with the changes but still...
The 996 turbo had 420 horses when it left the factory; but I'am sure after 13 years (the age of the car when I owned it) it probably had lost some of it horses. My five years old 997 Gen 2 with 385 horses feels just as quick (better mechanically etc). It's probably all in the mind anyway.I'm supprised by this I got the opinion over the years of reading on here that the 996tt would be a lot faster than a 2S PDK? I know the PDK speeds things up a fair bit with the changes but still...
Andrew911 said:
The 996 turbo had 420 horses when it left the factory; but I'am sure after 13 years (the age of the car when I owned it) it probably had lost some of it horses. My five years old 997 Gen 2 with 385 horses feels just as quick (better mechanically etc). It's probably all in the mind anyway.
The 997 turbo is 480bhp, so 95bhp more and delivered as a thump in the back, it's going to be much quicker than a 997 Gen 2.Understand some prefer the non-turbo cars but others love it. Neither is right or wrong just a personal preference.
Great choice to have to make.
I've just bought a manual 997.2 C2S. Considered the 997.1 Turbo but I prefer the look of the NA car and wanted two wheel drive. I appreciate the turbo is faster but how often do you use the extra performance ? My 12 year old nephew thought I should have gone for the Turbo...says it all really
Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff