High mileage 997 Turbo

High mileage 997 Turbo

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StuH

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2,557 posts

272 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Looking at a fun summer car (need rear seats for kids), and spotted a '61' plate 997 turbo PDK (cab - yes sorry!) with 64k miles on clock for £57k. It looks clean and mostly motorway miles.

I know most 911's have much lower mileage. I prob only do 5/6k a year so the average mileage will drop a lot while I have it.

So the question is - does this represent decent value or will I have a real problem shifting it on in a year or two?

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Depends how long you keep it, if you're keeping it 4-5 years that milage will be normal, if you're trying to sell it at the end of the summer the next buyer will have the same reservations as you
However this is all irrelevent as you are buying it cheap due to higher than average miles, an 11 plate would typically have 20k-30k miles on. There will always be a buyer for a cheap car, someone desperate to squeeze into a gen 2.

davek_964

8,796 posts

174 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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Problem is, your "only 5k/6k miles a year" means you will be doing roughly the average mileage for most of these cars. So during your ownership it won't become even higher mileage (relative to it's age) but I don't think it will ever drop to an average mileage car either, however long you keep it.

As mentioned - as long as you're happy to buy cheap and sell cheap, you'll probably be OK. At that sort of mileage, good history will be vital.

StuH

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Thursday 14th May 2015
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Thanks for the feedback. Buy cheap, sell cheap is the thinking, and as pointed out it might appeal as cheap Gen2 as it has PDK, Chrono, Torque vectoring etc.,

It has full main dealer history, although only 3 services at 18k, 37k and 55k, which doesn't seem a lot but I'm not familiar with the service schedule on these, and I guess that's one a year. Might soon need a service I guess.

davek_964

8,796 posts

174 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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StuH said:
Thanks for the feedback. Buy cheap, sell cheap is the thinking, and as pointed out it might appeal as cheap Gen2 as it has PDK, Chrono, Torque vectoring etc.,

It has full main dealer history, although only 3 services at 18k, 37k and 55k, which doesn't seem a lot but I'm not familiar with the service schedule on these, and I guess that's one a year. Might soon need a service I guess.
A few years back, Porsche went to 20k / 2 year service intervals I think. So it sounds like it's got the expected service history.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Thursday 14th May 2015
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although you'd be advised to change the oil a bit sooner on such a powerful car

StuH

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272 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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I missed out on the car in question by a few hours ;(

So, if anyone knows of any 997.2 turbo cabs with PDK under £60K please let me know!

D16RR_Rich

510 posts

187 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Have your kids tried the rear seats on the 997 cab?

They face forward on the cab and have far less space than the rear seats on the coupe.

Was was thinking of getting a 997 turbo cab but decided that the rear was too cramped for my 2 kids.

StuH

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Monday 18th May 2015
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No, but they're all midgets so hoping they'll be OK biggrin I'll take my 10 year daughter along when I go to view!

The other cars on the shortlist are M6 cab (I can get nearly new for similar money to 5 year old 997.2 TT) or a Cali, but my budget only gets me in an early '09 with the 7 year cover almost ended, and after my last Ferrari experience I'd want a long warranty yikes

Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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D16RR_Rich said:
Have your kids tried the rear seats on the 997 cab?

They face forward on the cab and have far less space than the rear seats on the coupe.
I'm pretty sure the rear seats in my coupe face forward too.

Robtheloop

47 posts

112 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Magic919 said:
I'm pretty sure the rear seats in my coupe face forward too.
No, coupe seats rake back (ever so slightly) - cabs do rake forward. My 10 yr old boy now has trouble in the back of my 997T Cpe!

Robtheloop

47 posts

112 months

Monday 18th May 2015
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Magic919 said:
I'm pretty sure the rear seats in my coupe face forward too.
No, coupe seats rake back (ever so slightly) - cabs do rake forward. My 10 yr old boy now has trouble in the back of my 997T Cpe!

StuH

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Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Still looking for the right car!

There are quite a few reasonable price 997.1 turbo tips around with <30k miles on '09'/'10' plates. I can get a 997.2 for around 10k more BUT all with nearer 50k miles. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Which represents the better value and resale proposition? Are the non PDK cars now unloved? I can't get manual as the wife won't drive it.

Another option is a 992.2 C4S with PDK - Something like this - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...




IMI A

9,410 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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StuH said:
Still looking for the right car!

There are quite a few reasonable price 997.1 turbo tips around with <30k miles on '09'/'10' plates. I can get a 997.2 for around 10k more BUT all with nearer 50k miles. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

Which represents the better value and resale proposition? Are the non PDK cars now unloved? I can't get manual as the wife won't drive it.

Another option is a 992.2 C4S with PDK - Something like this - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
take both for a drive and see which you prefer. Some guys like the more characterful engine of he C4S others prefer the superior performance of the turbo tip. 911 Virgin have both models so worth going to them and asking for test drives - can't go wrong with either model tbh

Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Many owners feel the Tip gearbox suits the Turbo. I think many of the cabrio Turbos have some kind of auto box. Manual with the soft top just seems wrong.

StuH

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Thursday 28th May 2015
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IMI A said:
take both for a drive and see which you prefer. Some guys like the more characterful engine of he C4S others prefer the superior performance of the turbo tip. 911 Virgin have both models so worth going to them and asking for test drives - can't go wrong with either model tbh
Thanks - I've rung and spoken to Dan and they sound very helpful. I'm going down there next week.

Also what is the situation as regards Porsche warranty. Does a car have to be kept on the scheme from new (as with M cars) or can a car without be added in? I ask as there are two cars I like the look of here. One older with warranty, and one newer (& PCM3) seemingly without.

Also should I worried about a '57' plate with only 14k miles?

http://www.cscarsthatcham.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-...

http://www.jwalkercars.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...

The second one says it's an 'S' but looks like a standard turbo given the rear decals. Although I'm not 100% sure what an 'S' offers a standard turbo - it's taking a while to get my head around all the variants!





IMI A

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200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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StuH said:
IMI A said:
take both for a drive and see which you prefer. Some guys like the more characterful engine of he C4S others prefer the superior performance of the turbo tip. 911 Virgin have both models so worth going to them and asking for test drives - can't go wrong with either model tbh
Thanks - I've rung and spoken to Dan and they sound very helpful. I'm going down there next week.

Also what is the situation as regards Porsche warranty. Does a car have to be kept on the scheme from new (as with M cars) or can a car without be added in? I ask as there are two cars I like the look of here. One older with warranty, and one newer (& PCM3) seemingly without.

Also should I worried about a '57' plate with only 14k miles?

http://www.cscarsthatcham.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-...

http://www.jwalkercars.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911...

The second one says it's an 'S' but looks like a standard turbo given the rear decals. Although I'm not 100% sure what an 'S' offers a standard turbo - it's taking a while to get my head around all the variants!
Hi theres no Turbo S until the gen 2 is released in 2009 with PDK etc and DFI engine (probably a chav owner lol and that drivers seat seems awfully worn for 13000 mile car). You can put on Porsche warranty for sure and I would have any turbo you purchase put through a 111 point check and warranty before parting with your cash if not buying from a porsche specialist like 911 Virgin, RSJ Cars, Paragon etc. OPCs tend have very good cars too with 2 year quibble free warranties. 911 virgin have their own warranty which is bumper to bumper as far as I'm aware. RSJ have there own warranty too as do Paragon, The 911 Virgin car with 22,000 miles looks a cracker. I personally would not worry about PCM 2 or PCM 3. Both completely outdated and I'd just buy the best condition car. Convertibles are lovely but their hoods rattle a bit.

StuH

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Thursday 28th May 2015
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IMI A said:
Hi theres no Turbo S until the gen 2 is released in 2009 with PDK etc and DFI engine (probably a chav owner lol and that drivers seat seems awfully worn for 13000 mile car). You can put on Porsche warranty for sure and I would have any turbo you purchase put through a 111 point check and warranty before parting with your cash if not buying from a porsche specialist like 911 Virgin, RSJ Cars, Paragon etc. OPCs tend have very good cars too with 2 year quibble free warranties. 911 virgin have their own warranty which is bumper to bumper as far as I'm aware. RSJ have there own warranty too as do Paragon, The 911 Virgin car with 22,000 miles looks a cracker. I personally would not worry about PCM 2 or PCM 3. Both completely outdated and I'd just buy the best condition car. Convertibles are lovely but their hoods rattle a bit.
The 14k mile car has a Porsche warranty until November so I'd be surprised if the mileage wasn't legit? It came from a main dealer 18 months ago and service stamps look good. I guess I'll see when I go to view.

The 911virgin car also looks good (going to view when it comes in on Tuesday) but it has a lid wink

IMI A

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200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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StuH said:
IMI A said:
Hi theres no Turbo S until the gen 2 is released in 2009 with PDK etc and DFI engine (probably a chav owner lol and that drivers seat seems awfully worn for 13000 mile car). You can put on Porsche warranty for sure and I would have any turbo you purchase put through a 111 point check and warranty before parting with your cash if not buying from a porsche specialist like 911 Virgin, RSJ Cars, Paragon etc. OPCs tend have very good cars too with 2 year quibble free warranties. 911 virgin have their own warranty which is bumper to bumper as far as I'm aware. RSJ have there own warranty too as do Paragon, The 911 Virgin car with 22,000 miles looks a cracker. I personally would not worry about PCM 2 or PCM 3. Both completely outdated and I'd just buy the best condition car. Convertibles are lovely but their hoods rattle a bit.
The 14k mile car has a Porsche warranty until November so I'd be surprised if the mileage wasn't legit? It came from a main dealer 18 months ago and service stamps look good. I guess I'll see when I go to view.

The 911virgin car also looks good (going to view when it comes in on Tuesday) but it has a lid wink
Okay all good - even if it has warranty still have it checked out by an OPC. Costs peanuts to do.

StuH

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Friday 29th May 2015
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IMI A said:
Okay all good - even if it has warranty still have it checked out by an OPC. Costs peanuts to do.
Prob a good idea. What's the form - do I get the dealer to drop the car at their nearest OPC or do they go out to the dealer?