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sidicks said:
Anyone that claims a 991 GT3 can't make a good road car clearly hasn't driven one.
It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
Totally agree - it took me ages to get on with the CR, way more than 300 miles, best part of a year, I'd say but it's really grown on me now It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
J-P said:
sidicks said:
Anyone that claims a 991 GT3 can't make a good road car clearly hasn't driven one.
It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
Totally agree - it took me ages to get on with the CR, way more than 300 miles, best part of a year, I'd say but it's really grown on me now It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
sidicks said:
Anyone that claims a 991 GT3 can't make a good road car clearly hasn't driven one.
It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
Quite the opposite. A great car engages a driver very quickly. As IS suggests a few (arguably just one) blat around your favourite roads tells you 90% of what you need to know about a car. Engine run in or not, it was never going to be any more than the average car of the current era of 100k plus cars. It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
If it takes a certain situation/ road to really understand a car and think WOW, it's not a great car. Life is too short to keep searching for that perfect situation.
sidicks said:
RSVP911 said:
I'm sorry but your comment about them being a s
t road car is completely ridiculous ! They are an amazing road car that have the flexibility to be an amazing track car. I drive mine every day that I can - sun , rain , whatever . To work , to the shops , on a road trip. It is super comfy and easy and then if required , brutal ! Have you actually driven one ? You post the most bizarre things to annoy people , it's such a waste of time and energy , surely you must have better thing to do ? I know I have - angry with myself for bothering to respond 
Anyone that claims a 991 GT3 can't make a good road car clearly hasn't driven one.t road car is completely ridiculous ! They are an amazing road car that have the flexibility to be an amazing track car. I drive mine every day that I can - sun , rain , whatever . To work , to the shops , on a road trip. It is super comfy and easy and then if required , brutal ! Have you actually driven one ? You post the most bizarre things to annoy people , it's such a waste of time and energy , surely you must have better thing to do ? I know I have - angry with myself for bothering to respond It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
However, everybody has a very different interpretation or perception of what a good road car is. Some might drive their road cars on the very edge all day, and for them I'm sure the 991 GT3 is a wonderful bit of kit. Another man's idea of a good road car is a comfortable cruiser that can turn it on when required. The next guy might find the GT3 far too harsh. It's all relative to that person
Life would be boring if we all liked the same thing
To get back on topic, I'd imagine the big driver for the market on these cars over the next 12-18months will be ;
1) 991GT3 owners taking delivery of the Rs model and putting more GT3's on the market
2) If Porsche make a 991.2 GT3 that's perceived as better, or maybe they launch a manual version, and suddenly the 991.1GT3 isn't considered the bees knees anymore
The bizarre current pricing of the 997.2GT3/RS models was surely driven by the 991GT3 coming as PDK only as i was considered by many as the last true Manual GT3, but if a 991.2 arrives in manual, will that mean the 997.2 cars suddenly have their bubble burst ? Who knows...
1) 991GT3 owners taking delivery of the Rs model and putting more GT3's on the market
2) If Porsche make a 991.2 GT3 that's perceived as better, or maybe they launch a manual version, and suddenly the 991.1GT3 isn't considered the bees knees anymore
The bizarre current pricing of the 997.2GT3/RS models was surely driven by the 991GT3 coming as PDK only as i was considered by many as the last true Manual GT3, but if a 991.2 arrives in manual, will that mean the 997.2 cars suddenly have their bubble burst ? Who knows...
isaldiri said:
J-P said:
sidicks said:
Anyone that claims a 991 GT3 can't make a good road car clearly hasn't driven one.
It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
Totally agree - it took me ages to get on with the CR, way more than 300 miles, best part of a year, I'd say but it's really grown on me now It's hard to take seriously anyone that decides 'they can't gel with a car' after much less than 300 miles, before the engine is remotely run in!!
The Yellow 991 GT3 that I bought from Alpinestar was my car, which I subsequently sold via JZM.
There were a number of reasons I sold it. First of all, yes, prices were being driven up to a level where simply I felt the car did not warrant to be, and if someone was prepared to pay that, well, then clearly it was worth more to them than to me. The speed of the the price increase from the very short time I bought it to when I sold it was also non-nonsensical to me, clearly manipulation of the then supply and demand.
I will be first to admit that I also did very limited mileage in the car, but I did drive the car very enthusiastically around my favorite roads. Very accomplished car, very fast, but something was missing for me. Initially I thought it was lack of the manual box and heel/toe, but then I realized that the car is on song really only in the upper rev band. The problem I found was there were few opportunities for me to wring 9000 rpm out of the car without always going into license loosing territory. So as a road car for me personally, I was less enthusiastic for it. For me, where I knew the car would absolutely thrill would be on the track. But financially, it made no sense to track a £170k car when I could have just as much fun in my 6GT3 at almost 1/4 of the price.
So to conclude, great car, but pricing has muddled its purpose for me. GT3s are to be driven and I knew I wasn't going to drive this one in the way it should be. For the money I think there are better road cars out there, and also better track cars. As an overall package though, and for those who want just want one car, its superb.
Enjoy the banter.
There were a number of reasons I sold it. First of all, yes, prices were being driven up to a level where simply I felt the car did not warrant to be, and if someone was prepared to pay that, well, then clearly it was worth more to them than to me. The speed of the the price increase from the very short time I bought it to when I sold it was also non-nonsensical to me, clearly manipulation of the then supply and demand.
I will be first to admit that I also did very limited mileage in the car, but I did drive the car very enthusiastically around my favorite roads. Very accomplished car, very fast, but something was missing for me. Initially I thought it was lack of the manual box and heel/toe, but then I realized that the car is on song really only in the upper rev band. The problem I found was there were few opportunities for me to wring 9000 rpm out of the car without always going into license loosing territory. So as a road car for me personally, I was less enthusiastic for it. For me, where I knew the car would absolutely thrill would be on the track. But financially, it made no sense to track a £170k car when I could have just as much fun in my 6GT3 at almost 1/4 of the price.
So to conclude, great car, but pricing has muddled its purpose for me. GT3s are to be driven and I knew I wasn't going to drive this one in the way it should be. For the money I think there are better road cars out there, and also better track cars. As an overall package though, and for those who want just want one car, its superb.
Enjoy the banter.
J-P said:
If it's clearly crap, then yes. But if it's something that is not crap, then I think it takes time to figure out if it's exactly what you want! With something like a 991 GT3, I reckon the thing I'd know at outset that would be a deal breaker is the lack of a manual. Once I'd got over that, then I'd give it at least 6 months to a year to get used to it to see if I could gel with it.
In the same way if it's clearly a great car to you it should be immediately obvious? Would agree with Alpinestars that if you have to keep looking over 6 months and thousands of miles for the car to be great it probably isn't really for you. I've pretty much decided whether I'd like a car after ~100 miles driving reasonably hard and I can't remember ever dramatically changing that opinion no matter how much more of driving it.isaldiri said:
In the same way if it's clearly a great car to you it should be immediately obvious? Would agree with Alpinestars that if you have to keep looking over 6 months and thousands of miles for the car to be great it probably isn't really for you. I've pretty much decided whether I'd like a car after ~100 miles driving reasonably hard and I can't remember ever dramatically changing that opinion no matter how much more of driving it.
We're all different. I've had cars that I didn't like that much, then grew to love, others that I loved instantly and always did and others that I really loved and then went off over time. A 100 to 300 miles worth of driving gets me to the point where I know if I'll instantly like it but I wouldn't know whether I'd like other things as a day to day ownership proposition.For example, I love the noises that new Porsches make, the little pops and crackles but I'm not sure if over time the noise would annoy me. Conversely, I thought the noise of the CR was a little staid compared to other cars in the Porsche stable but I've grown to really love it. This took quite a long time. I still think the CR is a little dull around town but on a hoon or a track it really comes alive. When I first got it, I didn't like it anywhere near as much as on the test drive or as much as I do now.
isaldiri said:
In the same way if it's clearly a great car to you it should be immediately obvious? Would agree with Alpinestars that if you have to keep looking over 6 months and thousands of miles for the car to be great it probably isn't really for you. I've pretty much decided whether I'd like a car after ~100 miles driving reasonably hard and I can't remember ever dramatically changing that opinion no matter how much more of driving it.
Agreed, you either like the gal on the 1st or 2nd date or you do not. It's a feeling...Mermaid said:
isaldiri said:
In the same way if it's clearly a great car to you it should be immediately obvious? Would agree with Alpinestars that if you have to keep looking over 6 months and thousands of miles for the car to be great it probably isn't really for you. I've pretty much decided whether I'd like a car after ~100 miles driving reasonably hard and I can't remember ever dramatically changing that opinion no matter how much more of driving it.
Agreed, you either like the gal on the 1st or 2nd date or you do not. It's a feeling...GT4RS said:
Be interested to here ex owners comments on how many miles they actually traveled in there 991 gt3 and why they did not gel with there cars?
Because the earlier generations are much more involving to drive. The only time the 991 was interesting was when wringing its neck. And the chances of doing that on a road are limited, and it's ultimately very one dimensional - like a lot of the current crop of sports cars. Other cars which I've had and felt exactly the same about include the GTR, very accomplished, but aloof, in many senses not dissimilar. Re the limited miles, I do about 200 miles a year in most of my cars, so it's a like for like comparison and other than the GTR, I enjoy driving them. The 991 would just have sat in a garage and come out once or twice a year. It was never going to be a car that made me want to go and drive it.
Alpinestars said:
Because the earlier generations are much more involving to drive. The only time the 991 was interesting was when wringing its neck. And the chances of doing that on a road are limited, and it's ultimately very one dimensional - like a lot of the current crop of sports cars. Other cars which I've had and felt exactly the same about include the GTR, very accomplished, but aloof, in many senses not dissimilar.
Re the limited miles, I do about 200 miles a year in most of my cars, so it's a like for like comparison and other than the GTR, I enjoy driving them. The 991 would just have sat in a garage and come out once or twice a year. It was never going to be a car that made me want to go and drive it.
Re the limited miles, I do about 200 miles a year in most of my cars, so it's a like for like comparison and other than the GTR, I enjoy driving them. The 991 would just have sat in a garage and come out once or twice a year. It was never going to be a car that made me want to go and drive it.
RSVP911 said:
J-P said:
Not a great analogy but I agree that if she was clearly not somebody you liked then yes, but if she had potential to be "the one", then one or two dates probably isn't enough to make that decision.
All of this is "girl" analogy is rubbish , I really , really , really , liked my wife on our first date - she just annoys me and gets in my t**s now ! 
I'd swap her for a newer model , but she's take all my money so I'm stuck with her - actually this might be a car apology ?? ( Babe , if you are reading this , this is obviously just not true - I'm just trying to sound like one of the lads to get in with them - really sorry )
Edited by RSVP911 on Saturday 4th July 13:11
Slippydiff said:
Wow, that's a rather shocking "revelation" if I may say so. Don't think I'm being rude, I'm not, I'm genuinely interested to know. What the appeal is of owning a car when you do such insignificant annual mileages behind the wheel of them ?
Do you live "down South" ? where there are even fewer opportunities/roads to use/extend cars such as this as their makers intended.
The thought of owning a car such as a 991 GT3 and driving it for less than 20 miles a month would be a completely alien concept to me.
Makes each drive special Do you live "down South" ? where there are even fewer opportunities/roads to use/extend cars such as this as their makers intended.
The thought of owning a car such as a 991 GT3 and driving it for less than 20 miles a month would be a completely alien concept to me.
And RSVP, lol at your last post
. Slippydiff said:
Wow, that's a rather shocking "revelation" if I may say so. Don't think I'm being rude, I'm not, I'm genuinely interested to know. What the appeal is of owning a car when you do such insignificant annual mileages behind the wheel of them ?
Do you live "down South" ? where there are even fewer opportunities/roads to use/extend cars such as this as their makers intended.
The thought of owning a car such as a 991 GT3 and driving it for less than 20 miles a month would be a completely alien concept to me.
I normally only get to use my GT3 at weekends, but when it does go out, it's usually for 100+ miles at a time.Do you live "down South" ? where there are even fewer opportunities/roads to use/extend cars such as this as their makers intended.
The thought of owning a car such as a 991 GT3 and driving it for less than 20 miles a month would be a completely alien concept to me.
I guess if you've got 10+ cars to choose from then 200miles in each one isn't a disaster, but to my mind it is a bit of a waste. Having said that, I've no intention of telling someone else how to spend their own money!
Slippydiff said:
sidicks said:
I normally only get to use my GT3 at weekends, but when it does go out, it's usually for 100+ miles at a time.
Close, but no cigar. My M3 CSl was delivered one Tuesday lunchtime in late September 2008. 48 hours later it started a 10 day 5k mile tour of France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Italy.My current Mk1 996 GT3 Clubsport was bought in mid August last year. By the time I embarked on a 2k mile 5 day tour of western Scotland and Northumberland late in September, I'd already clocked up 3k miles in it ......
Almost immediately after picking up my 99 GT3 I did around 2,000 mies to Scotland and the Hebrides etc!
sidicks said:
I wasn't aware it was a competition!
Almost immediately after picking up my 99 GT3 I did around 2,000 mies to Scotland and the Hebrides etc!
When I got mine , without giving it a seconds thought , I drove it 35 miles from the dealer to my house , without stopping for a wee break , or anything ! But hey , I'm just a crazy type of guy . Almost immediately after picking up my 99 GT3 I did around 2,000 mies to Scotland and the Hebrides etc!
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