996 TT valuation

[shantybeater]

Mark A S said:

OK, just out of interest as I have no intention of selling what would my 2003 996t factory X50, 48,000ms, GT3 front brakes Tubi exhaust system, miltek manifolds, Fearnsport re-map [ makes around 550bhp ] few other nice options, great condition, lots of history, new brakes, rads etc all within last year be worth,,,, ish now ???
Its Artic silver black interior.

Thanks in advance

High 30's if you ditch all the mods, low 30's if you keep them.

[g7jhp]

fredt said:

Mad March Taffy said:

Taking it back as close to stock to possible would probably be the way to go, and selling off the parts

Yeah makes sense, take an awesome car and revert it back to the mediocreness(in comparison) off the standard standard car.

Then sell all the good parts so someone else can have all the fun..

Way to go no doubt.

Guess you'd need to have a look at the whole package from a driving and looks perspective.

The standard 18" 996 turbo wheels look great IMO and suit the car. The brakes do need a good shove and is an area which many upgrade, so a good brake upgrade is a positive. Again the suspension is good, but it depends on how the new suspension suits the car.

Not sure if I'd want to run 19" wheels. The 997.1 turbo wheels are an acquired taste (and look wrong on a 996 turbo), which of the 997.2 turbo wheels does it have?






I'd also want to understand who did the 675bhp conversion.

Bottom line is a highly modified 996 turbo could be a great buy (especially as you know the owner), but it will limit the number of people who would buy it (and therefore the price).

Longer term I see standard cars as the one's who will be more sort after.

You just need to decide if you want performance or originality. Nice decision to make!

[monthefish]

Crimp said:

Mad March Taffy said:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

This is not a bad price - until you see the seats!

:-)

This car is very cheap.
Based on current values don't let the seats put you off, they'll no doubt look better in the flesh.
I would say its these that have held back the vehicle been sold, its certainly a looker and providing the condition/history stack up someone will get a bloody bargain and seats are easily replaced or re-covered

Indeed. I'd buy it for the wheels alone.

[e8_pack]

675bhp is highly modified. Of it isn't then he is lying about the power output.

Minimum:

New turbos, billet or bigger
Headers if not standard fit turbos
Well fettled Map/standalone. At that power I put a syvecs on as the PSM can't cope with the torque and shuts power
Intercoolers
Injectors, I also had a GT2 fuel pump
Pipes to turbo, standard are a big restriction
Filter
Clutch, exhaust etc..

[gilbo]

e8_pack said:

675bhp is highly modified. Of it isn't then he is lying about the power output.

Minimum:

New turbos, billet or bigger
Headers if not standard fit turbos
Well fettled Map/standalone. At that power I put a syvecs on as the PSM can't cope with the torque and shuts power
Intercoolers
Injectors, I also had a GT2 fuel pump
Pipes to turbo, standard are a big restriction
Filter
Clutch, exhaust etc..

It is extensively modified and it definitely makes the power. The brakes, suspension and wheels were £19k alone. The engine work I don't know how much, but I know it wasn't cheap. It also wasn't just a chip or bolt on goodies! It actually made 678bhp on the dyno

[e8_pack]

In that case, if you want a low mileage appreciating car then highly modified is not something that can really be put standard without costing a few quid to do so. What are the modifications exactly? It might be something you want to find out.

I'm in the opposite camp, I'm rebuilding to 850, but that's because it's the limit of the gearbox, but engine/turbo's will be good for 1000. Spec is on my profile in the garage if your interested so you can see what it entails.

700 is on the limit for standard rods, depending how it's mapped of course. 675 can be achieved with bolt ons no problem.

What wheels, brakes and suspension is on that cost that much! My GT3 6 pots cost about £1500 fitted by myself, but I'm amazed someone spent that amount on just those parts and would be prepared to take 40k..

Edited by e8_pack on Saturday 4th July 22:26

[gilbo]

He won't give a price that's my point. He doesn't really want to sell and has simply said 'if I'm serious make me an offer' Hence why I started the thread. I need to find out full spec, all I know is it has (as already stated) monster brembo's all round, Bilstein adjustable coilovers and gen 2 997 turbo 19" wheels. All fitted price including full geo 50 miles ago. He barely uses it and has many more expensive toys but doesn't need or really want to sell it. I'm more interested in buying than he is selling. To be honest I've now started looking at 997 TT's as from conversations with him recently I get the feeling 45-50k may not buy it!

[shantybeater]

e8_pack said:

In that case, if you want a low mileage appreciating car then highly modified is not something that can really be put standard without costing a few quid to do so. What are the modifications exactly? It might be something you want to find out.

I'm in the opposite camp, I'm rebuilding to 850, but that's because it's the limit of the gearbox, but engine/turbo's will be good for 1000. Spec is on my profile in the garage if your interested so you can see what it entails.

700 is on the limit for standard rods, depending how it's mapped of course. 675 can be achieved with bolt ons no problem.

What wheels, brakes and suspension is on that cost that much! My GT3 6 pots cost about £1500 fitted by myself, but I'm amazed someone spent that amount on just those parts and would be prepared to take 40k..

Edited by e8_pack on Saturday 4th July 22:26

Brembo GT kit is £5000+ on its own with 2 piece 380mm rotors, thats for the front! the rear kit is another 2k+



We really need a photo of this car, it sounds pretty immense!!

Edited by shantybeater on Sunday 5th July 11:03

[sng45]

gemini said:

Finding one will be your difficulty!
They are like the proverbial rocking horse -
Speaking to JCT on Wednesday they can't source any!

If that's the case, I'm pleased I bought this on Monday !

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/man...

[g7jhp]

sng45 said:

If that's the case, I'm pleased I bought this on Monday !

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/man...

Looks nice, welcome to the manual X50 996 turbo club!

[gemini]

Good man.
Low miles too.
Now enjoy the ride!

[Crimp]

g7jhp said:

sng45 said:

If that's the case, I'm pleased I bought this on Monday !

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/man...

Looks nice, welcome to the manual X50 996 turbo club!

Nice car that Steve well done.
I spotted this myself great for "a collector" much like yourself!!
Hope you're well

[e8_pack]

g7jhp said:

sng45 said:

If that's the case, I'm pleased I bought this on Monday !

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/man...

Looks nice, welcome to the manual X50 996 turbo club!

Beautiful car! I've always liked the aero kit, but be very careful on ramps with that spoiler! Very nice carbon goodies too, carbon ignition and hazard surrounds would be welcome additions for not much cash second only to a bluetooth headunit - you can reinstall the comedy kids toy phone when you sell it.. lol

[pete a]

sng45 said:

If that's the case, I'm pleased I bought this on Monday !

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/man...

Very nice, congratulations, great cars, heres a few pictures of my old one;

[sng45]

Crimp said:

Nice car that Steve well done.
I spotted this myself great for "a collector" much like yourself!!
Hope you're well

Thanks Ed - I've wanted one for a while, enquired over a couple last week but both sold within a couple of days. On reflection I was pleased about that as this is the best one I've seen for some time. I've just imported a "hot rod" Datsun 240Z from the states - just having some tuned suspension put on it. Still have the 3.2 Carrera I got from you - pleased I kept it the way the prices have gone. Hope life is good with you.

Edited by sng45 on Thursday 9th July 22:51

[sng45]

Thanks for the comments everyone - and love the photos

Best

Steve

[FeelingLucky]

shantybeater said:

Gilbo, its all matter of preference. The majority of difference between the 996 & 997.1 is cosmetic, either way it's difficult to say the performance/driving experience is vastly different or better. So the question is how much do you value the appearance of the 997 over the 996? many do, but how much? 5k? 10K?

some say the 996T has better steering and a slightly rawer driving experience. Either way buying one is a complete minefield, they are not cheap cars to run and any used car could have hidden costs.

Personally if I was interested in a 996T and a friend had one (and I trusted him), this alone would be enough to tempt me, especially since he has owned it for so long. The mods are not really a downside, just swap them back to standard and sell off for a profit. I have a funny feeling you won't though!

I'd like to see a pic of it out of curiosity! Is the brake upgrade the Brembo GT's? If so I really need to ask a favour of him!!! (or you if you buy it)

Edited by shantybeater on Friday 3rd July 15:11

Don't these two claims contradict each other? Or is it the cosmetic differences that make it a rawer driving experience?

Regarding point 1:- NONSENSE, they are significantly different cars.

[Land Shark GT]

LAWSY997TT said:

OP I think that there has been some great advice on here and frankly to spend in excess of £40K on ANY 996TT would be mad. I owned a 996TT from June 09' thru June 14.
Paid £25K for it in 09', which was a bargain, as they were all selling for around £30K. Car was an 02' manual, Lapis Blue with Natural Brown full leather 50K FSH. I sold it last June to buy my 997 Turbo. At the time, DECENT 997 Turbo's were just starting to take off price wise. My car was advertised privately for £40K and I procured it for £38K. Its a 2007 GT Silver Manual Sport Chrono with Black sports leather and loads of factory Carbon Fibre 38k miles FPSH. I secured purchase of the 997 and then proceeded to sell my 996 privately. I advertised the 996 for £25k selling it within a week for £23.5K. Now I adored my 996TT, thus the reason i kept it for 5 years..... but the 997TT is on a completely different level in so many ways. An absolutely mind blowing and exhilarating ownership proposition if there ever was one!! Bite the bullet and buy a manual Sport Chrono for circa £50K. You will always get your money back and you will NEVER regret buying it. Have included a couple of shots of my old and new flame, to hopefully motivate you.

Edited by LAWSY997TT on Saturday 11th July 16:56

I have to say that I prefer the look of your 996, the 997 is too rude boy looking for my pallat,
your 996 has a sophistcated exclusive appeal, the 997 looks as if it belongs at the track. Also
performance wise when you tune the 996 up a bit there is nothing in it. Yes the cabin is better in the
997. If you had waited 12 months you would have got up to 40k for your 996T in the current market, have
the values not shifted massively?

[Adam B]

Agree with the sentiment Lawsy and you did very well on your 997 purchase price, not a big fan of aftermarket wheels but those look ok, but not seen a car with black stickers on arches and mirrors before and do not get the appeal I am afraid

Edited by Adam B on Sunday 12th July 13:24

[Adam B]

LAWSY997TT said:

If you have £50k, buy a decent manual 997TT now while you still can.

Great advice, but a little too late