Cant decide whether to sell my 996TT
Discussion
fredt said:
As long as you work on "one in, one out basis" you can't really mess up 
I'm guessing your main concern is that the 996t might continue going up in price? I would forget about this aspect and just go ahead a change the car for something else!
Get rid!
my main concern is to identify a 2+2 thats not going to be a disappointment - the money bit is there but secondary really - its all about the 'itch'!I'm guessing your main concern is that the 996t might continue going up in price? I would forget about this aspect and just go ahead a change the car for something else!
Get rid!
Edited by Lordjimimac on Wednesday 11th November 10:44
Lordjimimac said:
my main concern is to identify a 2+2 thats not going to be a disappointment - the money bit is there but secondary really - its all about the 'itch'!
Then itch it! Edited by Lordjimimac on Wednesday 11th November 10:44
I see you conundrum though, as the 911 Turbo is a fairly unique package. Ferrari California would be awesome but I guess outside the budget.
Howabout a BMW 850?
Lordjimimac said:
Moosh said:
TBH Lordjimimac, don't sell, just remap and new exhaust. you will never regret it.
Thanks Moosh - I have a 100 cell speedtech exhaust on there but no map. The exhaust transformed the response and obvs noise - did your map change the character of the engine or was it mainly 'more, everywhere'? Did you gain more of a creshendo in top range (that's really what I seek, I think). My first remap was up to 520 bhp done by JZM. New exhaust (Europipe stage 2), GT2 6 pot front calipers, Alcon Discs all round, Pigid pads and a remap. This map worked in the higher rev range and lost some of the fantastic torque the turbo's are renowned for in the midrange. It was faster than standard but I was always disappointed with the mapping. The Europipe was and still is fantastic. Great sound and is responsible for losing a lot of the K24 turbo lag. I would like to mention that I have the X50 pack which has the K24 turbo's fitted. The K24's have more lag than the K16's on the standard 996 Turbo. The K16's in fact have very little lag (Contrary to other comments on here).
I only mention the first remap for others to be wary of the different types of mapping available. At bruntingthorpe some years ago I ran next to a 996 turbo that on paper had the same 520BHP as mine but was mapped by Fearn Sport. It definitely had the edge on mine in second and third gear, then it leveled out and was the same 4th upwards.
The second remap and current map on my car was done by DMS. Upgrade included, Hybrid K24 Turbo's, 997 Turbo Intercooler, Upgraded Fuel Injection System, Sachs 890nm Clutch and remap to 673hp.
And wow!, what a transformation. The car of my dreams
Loads of power in every gear and any rev range, sounds immense, Goes like a rocket! Great fun when you come across a 997 turbo or a 911, they all end up in the same place
, your rearview mirror. 
Edited by Moosh on Wednesday 11th November 11:40
Have you considered a BMW 1M Coupe? I spent a decent amount of time in one recently and it has made me think about changing my CSL for one. I suppose you may struggle a bit with the back seats as a 2 + 2 but it can't be much worse than the 996tt?! They are pretty depreciation proof, special, limited run, docile at low speeds and a hooligan when you're in the mood. Lacking the all weather performance I suppose though. If you can find one to drive I would definitely try it out, way more interesting than an E92 M3 in my opinion.
patphnx said:
Have you considered a BMW 1M Coupe? I spent a decent amount of time in one recently and it has made me think about changing my CSL for one. I suppose you may struggle a bit with the back seats as a 2 + 2 but it can't be much worse than the 996tt?! They are pretty depreciation proof, special, limited run, docile at low speeds and a hooligan when you're in the mood. Lacking the all weather performance I suppose though. If you can find one to drive I would definitely try it out, way more interesting than an E92 M3 in my opinion.
Great shout but these seem even rarer than the CSL!boxsey said:
Lordjimimac said:
There was a rebuilt 964 at GT One that I'm now considering - I'm going to have a drive in that and see if the old school air-cooled route offers what I'm looking for.
With one short drive you might not 'get' a 964 when coming from a much more modern Porsche. After getting out of mine after the long drive home on the day I bought it I thought.....WTF have I done! A few weeks later I started to 'get' it. Lordjimimac said:
boxsey said:
Lordjimimac said:
There was a rebuilt 964 at GT One that I'm now considering - I'm going to have a drive in that and see if the old school air-cooled route offers what I'm looking for.
With one short drive you might not 'get' a 964 when coming from a much more modern Porsche. After getting out of mine after the long drive home on the day I bought it I thought.....WTF have I done! A few weeks later I started to 'get' it. Moosh said:
It all depends on the map to how it changes the car.
My first remap was up to 520 bhp done by JZM. New exhaust (Europipe stage 2), GT2 6 pot front calipers, Alcon Discs all round, Pigid pads and a remap. This map worked in the higher rev range and lost some of the fantastic torque the turbo's are renowned for in the midrange. It was faster than standard but I was always disappointed with the mapping. The Europipe was and still is fantastic. Great sound and is responsible for losing a lot of the K24 turbo lag. I would like to mention that I have the X50 pack which has the K24 turbo's fitted. The K24's have more lag than the K16's on the standard 996 Turbo. The K16's in fact have very little lag (Contrary to other comments on here).
I only mention the first remap for others to be wary of the different types of mapping available. At bruntingthorpe some years ago I ran next to a 996 turbo that on paper had the same 520BHP as mine but was mapped by Fearn Sport. It definitely had the edge on mine in second and third gear, then it leveled out and was the same 4th upwards.
The second remap and current map on my car was done by DMS. Upgrade included, Hybrid K24 Turbo's, 997 Turbo Intercooler, Upgraded Fuel Injection System, Sachs 890nm Clutch and remap to 673hp.
And wow!, what a transformation. The car of my dreams Loads of power in every gear and any rev range, sounds immense, Goes like a rocket! Great fun when you come across a 997 turbo or a 911, they all end up in the same place, your rearview mirror.
Ha... brings back memories !! My first remap was up to 520 bhp done by JZM. New exhaust (Europipe stage 2), GT2 6 pot front calipers, Alcon Discs all round, Pigid pads and a remap. This map worked in the higher rev range and lost some of the fantastic torque the turbo's are renowned for in the midrange. It was faster than standard but I was always disappointed with the mapping. The Europipe was and still is fantastic. Great sound and is responsible for losing a lot of the K24 turbo lag. I would like to mention that I have the X50 pack which has the K24 turbo's fitted. The K24's have more lag than the K16's on the standard 996 Turbo. The K16's in fact have very little lag (Contrary to other comments on here).
I only mention the first remap for others to be wary of the different types of mapping available. At bruntingthorpe some years ago I ran next to a 996 turbo that on paper had the same 520BHP as mine but was mapped by Fearn Sport. It definitely had the edge on mine in second and third gear, then it leveled out and was the same 4th upwards.
The second remap and current map on my car was done by DMS. Upgrade included, Hybrid K24 Turbo's, 997 Turbo Intercooler, Upgraded Fuel Injection System, Sachs 890nm Clutch and remap to 673hp.
And wow!, what a transformation. The car of my dreams
Loads of power in every gear and any rev range, sounds immense, Goes like a rocket! Great fun when you come across a 997 turbo or a 911, they all end up in the same place, your rearview mirror. Edited by Moosh on Wednesday 11th November 11:40
Your car is awesome mate.... so few 996's in guards and it works so well.
Hope you're well.
fredt said:
Then itch it!
I see you conundrum though, as the 911 Turbo is a fairly unique package. Ferrari California would be awesome but I guess outside the budget.
Howabout a BMW 850?
i had a loved a 540i and dont fancy another bmw of that era for a while (huge repair bills!)I see you conundrum though, as the 911 Turbo is a fairly unique package. Ferrari California would be awesome but I guess outside the budget.
Howabout a BMW 850?
Im tempted by a gen 2 997 now...
Hello folks,
one for the 996tt owners here - and particularly those that urged me to keep it (that to all for the advice on this thread - it was great!)
!UPDATE!
I drove every car that was recommended. All were great (1st world problem to say the least here, luck me). But..
M3 and RS4 - awesome noises! couldn't handle the reduction in driveway specialness tho
Granturismo - too slow and depreciating
CSL - too expensive, so drove a CS - wonderful thing (quite liked the smgs THWAK) but couldn't handle the reduction in driveway specialness
997.1 x51 - lovely drive and wonderful noise - but cant be arsed with engine issues
AM v8 - lovely but i need seats for the kids
964 - wonderful wonderful drive but couldn't handle the rust risk
997.2 - a contender.....
So, I put the tt on the market with the plan to get a 997.2.
I took a deposit very quickly (a sale without being seen trade buyer), and had a ton of interest.
But then, when confronted with the reality of handing over the keys, I COULDNT DO IT.
Yes, it turns out I am incredibly attached to the tt and none of the options, or strong sale price were strong enough to pull me through the decision.
I am now, once again, a very happy and satisfied tt owner, and have resigned myself to the fact that I'm keeping it forever.
What a special car these are.
thanks for all the input on this thread!
enjoy your steeds!
one for the 996tt owners here - and particularly those that urged me to keep it (that to all for the advice on this thread - it was great!)
!UPDATE!
I drove every car that was recommended. All were great (1st world problem to say the least here, luck me). But..
M3 and RS4 - awesome noises! couldn't handle the reduction in driveway specialness tho
Granturismo - too slow and depreciating
CSL - too expensive, so drove a CS - wonderful thing (quite liked the smgs THWAK) but couldn't handle the reduction in driveway specialness
997.1 x51 - lovely drive and wonderful noise - but cant be arsed with engine issues
AM v8 - lovely but i need seats for the kids
964 - wonderful wonderful drive but couldn't handle the rust risk
997.2 - a contender.....
So, I put the tt on the market with the plan to get a 997.2.
I took a deposit very quickly (a sale without being seen trade buyer), and had a ton of interest.
But then, when confronted with the reality of handing over the keys, I COULDNT DO IT.
Yes, it turns out I am incredibly attached to the tt and none of the options, or strong sale price were strong enough to pull me through the decision.
I am now, once again, a very happy and satisfied tt owner, and have resigned myself to the fact that I'm keeping it forever.
What a special car these are.
thanks for all the input on this thread!
enjoy your steeds!
You mentioned looking at Granturismo's and experiences. I went 997.1TT coupe to 997.1TT cab which I ran alongside a 4.7 Granturismo S MC Shift. Had the Mas for 2.5 years but swapped the TTCab for a 997 GTS which was alongside the Mas for 2 of the 2.5 years I had the Mas.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
I should have mentioned that only the 4.2 base model with the ZF auto was in my range - looking at the Harry Metcalfe video of his MC shift suggested that the gear change noise and punch of the larger engine and MC shift was much much more fun than the base one.
If they continue to fall in value it was certainly a contender - amazing noise and just jaw dropping to look at.
If they continue to fall in value it was certainly a contender - amazing noise and just jaw dropping to look at.
c4sman said:
You mentioned looking at Granturismo's and experiences. I went 997.1TT coupe to 997.1TT cab which I ran alongside a 4.7 Granturismo S MC Shift. Had the Mas for 2.5 years but swapped the TTCab for a 997 GTS which was alongside the Mas for 2 of the 2.5 years I had the Mas.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
Edited by Lordjimimac on Friday 26th August 09:30
Lordjimimac said:
I should have mentioned that only the 4.2 base model with the ZF auto was in my range - looking at the Harry Metcalfe video of his MC shift suggested that the gear change noise and punch of the larger engine and MC shift was much much more fun than the base one.
If they continue to fall in value it was certainly a contender - amazing noise and just jaw dropping to look at.
4.2 is quite a different car and may not quite fill the gap after a turbo but don't rule it out until you've had a test drive as you could be surprised. The noise of the MC car can be almost replicated with an exhaust swap but the MC throttle blips on downshift would be missing and they are a delight. 4.2 still an event to look at and be in so take one for a spin and market means there are deals to be done. If they continue to fall in value it was certainly a contender - amazing noise and just jaw dropping to look at.
c4sman said:
You mentioned looking at Granturismo's and experiences. I went 997.1TT coupe to 997.1TT cab which I ran alongside a 4.7 Granturismo S MC Shift. Had the Mas for 2.5 years but swapped the TTCab for a 997 GTS which was alongside the Mas for 2 of the 2.5 years I had the Mas.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
If you need 4 comfortable for adult seats, a guaranteed feeling of an event every time you turn the key and the ability to have a big grin on your face from any speed from 10mph to 150mph, the granturismo is hard to beat. Mine was almost 100 percent reliable, had no scary big bills and was a joy to own. It's not dynamically any where near any 911, but there is fun to be had by hustling a big GT car along and it holds its own imho as long as you take it for what it is.
Edited by Lordjimimac on Friday 26th August 09:30
I have thought about selling mine as it seems a bit too special for using often. I miss driving a performance car everyday. Solution was to buy a Subaru BRZ. Long warranty and peanuts to run (and good value in this market). A cheap usable performance car to run alongside could work for you as well.
Hi folks,
I finally took action and sold the 996tt - the offers were too tempting and I had a great three year run with nothing major going wrong. I also found myself using it less and less on long family runs to Devon and Chester as the kids are a bit bigger.
After quite a test drive quest I bought an immaculate e90 m3 with the m performance exhaust (and have a very pleasing stack of cash for when I change again).
Thanks a lot for the help on this thread. Now I own the m3 I can report:
- it am very pleased (and not yet suicidaly regretful!)
- it's every bit as exciting as the turbo to drive
- it is lairy! Cold morning drives require a lot caution and care even with traction control on
- the noise is spectacular at all speeds and rpm
- it's a lot more fun to drive at any speed
• as expected it is massively less pleasing to look at on my drive : (
• the steering is nice and fast - but nowhere near as good as the Tt
• it's new and shiney, but has made me appreciate just how well made the Tt was. My Tt was 16 years old and it really didn't show it
• the too-planted 4wd was one of the reasons I fancied a change - but that only applies in summer! Slimey winter roads are where the turbo was simply amazing - fun, awesome, and majestic. I should have sold in the summer!
Anyway - I'll be back in a 911 sometime I'm sure - be it a 997.1tt or a 991.
But for now I'm pleased (and TBH relieved) I made a decision and am enjoying the change.
No regrets!
( yet )
: )
I finally took action and sold the 996tt - the offers were too tempting and I had a great three year run with nothing major going wrong. I also found myself using it less and less on long family runs to Devon and Chester as the kids are a bit bigger.
After quite a test drive quest I bought an immaculate e90 m3 with the m performance exhaust (and have a very pleasing stack of cash for when I change again).
Thanks a lot for the help on this thread. Now I own the m3 I can report:
- it am very pleased (and not yet suicidaly regretful!)
- it's every bit as exciting as the turbo to drive
- it is lairy! Cold morning drives require a lot caution and care even with traction control on
- the noise is spectacular at all speeds and rpm
- it's a lot more fun to drive at any speed
• as expected it is massively less pleasing to look at on my drive : (
• the steering is nice and fast - but nowhere near as good as the Tt
• it's new and shiney, but has made me appreciate just how well made the Tt was. My Tt was 16 years old and it really didn't show it
• the too-planted 4wd was one of the reasons I fancied a change - but that only applies in summer! Slimey winter roads are where the turbo was simply amazing - fun, awesome, and majestic. I should have sold in the summer!
Anyway - I'll be back in a 911 sometime I'm sure - be it a 997.1tt or a 991.
But for now I'm pleased (and TBH relieved) I made a decision and am enjoying the change.
No regrets!
( yet )
: )
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