430 Scuderia to 997.2 GT3 RS
Discussion
Hi all...
Thought I'd float an itch that (potentially) needs scratching to see if anyone else on here has trodden the same path / journey.
I currently have a 2009 430 Scuderia (which is a great car) and came to that from a 997.1 GT3. After nearly 2 years of Scud ownership I find myself reflecting on the GT3 experience and acknowledging just how (as a driver’s car) rewarding and on so many levels that car was.
For me the Scud ticks most of the boxes (plenty drama and presence / specialness) however it does have a feel of fragility (that feeling of inevitability that in time a big bill might pop up). However it's not a manual, and no matter how good the superfast two shift is I miss that old school involvement.
My question (and am aware I'm asking this in the Porsche forum so there is a slight bias) is has anyone gone from a 430 Scuderia to a 997.2 GT3 RS, if they have did they regret it / would I be mad to sell my Scud?
The other option I’m considering is keep the Scud and buy a 997 C2S and throw suspension / some nice parts at it to try and get best of both worlds – however I’m well aware a C2S is no RS and the Metzger howl will be missing…
All feedback welcome and appreciated...
Thought I'd float an itch that (potentially) needs scratching to see if anyone else on here has trodden the same path / journey.
I currently have a 2009 430 Scuderia (which is a great car) and came to that from a 997.1 GT3. After nearly 2 years of Scud ownership I find myself reflecting on the GT3 experience and acknowledging just how (as a driver’s car) rewarding and on so many levels that car was.
For me the Scud ticks most of the boxes (plenty drama and presence / specialness) however it does have a feel of fragility (that feeling of inevitability that in time a big bill might pop up). However it's not a manual, and no matter how good the superfast two shift is I miss that old school involvement.
My question (and am aware I'm asking this in the Porsche forum so there is a slight bias) is has anyone gone from a 430 Scuderia to a 997.2 GT3 RS, if they have did they regret it / would I be mad to sell my Scud?
The other option I’m considering is keep the Scud and buy a 997 C2S and throw suspension / some nice parts at it to try and get best of both worlds – however I’m well aware a C2S is no RS and the Metzger howl will be missing…
All feedback welcome and appreciated...
Only you know if you'll regret it having owned a 7.1RS and the Scud. As you know, both are great cars, but obviously different.
The 7.2 is very similar to the 7.1, but I think it's a better car. A bit more of everthing, power, drama, noise etc etc. So if it's a close choice based on your own experience of the 7.1, just add a bit more for a 7.2.
Not sure which one I'd choose, they are both special cars. Scud = last of the raw Ferrari's? 7.2RS, last of the N/A manual RS'?
The 7.2 is very similar to the 7.1, but I think it's a better car. A bit more of everthing, power, drama, noise etc etc. So if it's a close choice based on your own experience of the 7.1, just add a bit more for a 7.2.
Not sure which one I'd choose, they are both special cars. Scud = last of the raw Ferrari's? 7.2RS, last of the N/A manual RS'?
Having bought spider man ( Gen 2 GT3 RS) off Alpinestars (hello) and then sold it 1 year later I wish I had not. They are the most engaging drivers car. Way more involving than the scud imo.
I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
I have been looking at Scuds and 997.2 RS for probably 2 years on and off now. Never bought either one, but still want one/both.
Currently I want the RS more than the Scud as I have an FF at the moment (absolutely amazing btw) and really really miss the manual shift. The engine noise is great and gives pleasure at low speeds, but for driving in the mountains etc a manual is amazing and I will need one again. RS unfortunately a bit pricey nowadays
Could you own both at the same time (maybe some cheap finance on both) and then possibly sell one in a year or two ....
Edit: Just as an aside, not sure what you can sell your LHD Scud in the UK for .... there is a black higher mileage 997 4.0 RS for sale for (I think) 299k Euros on mobile.de - if I had the money, I would be very tempted to offer say 260k for it
Currently I want the RS more than the Scud as I have an FF at the moment (absolutely amazing btw) and really really miss the manual shift. The engine noise is great and gives pleasure at low speeds, but for driving in the mountains etc a manual is amazing and I will need one again. RS unfortunately a bit pricey nowadays
Could you own both at the same time (maybe some cheap finance on both) and then possibly sell one in a year or two ....
Edit: Just as an aside, not sure what you can sell your LHD Scud in the UK for .... there is a black higher mileage 997 4.0 RS for sale for (I think) 299k Euros on mobile.de - if I had the money, I would be very tempted to offer say 260k for it
Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 27th January 15:21
ruebdo said:
Having bought spider man ( Gen 2 GT3 RS) off Alpinestars (hello) and then sold it 1 year later I wish I had not. They are the most engaging drivers car. Way more involving than the scud imo.
I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
Interesting, you have all experience bases covered and would still move back to the 997 RS manual... Hmmmm They really are something special.I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
I spoke to Russ at JZM earlier and they have a mint grey car with cira 3K miles coming in - for £192K!!! Have to say the prices are very punchy right now. Not going to dwell on that though as i'm not interested in talking numbers, more interested in the ownership...
ruebdo said:
Having bought spider man ( Gen 2 GT3 RS) off Alpinestars (hello) and then sold it 1 year later I wish I had not. They are the most engaging drivers car. Way more involving than the scud imo.
I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
Hi R - long time no speak - v interesting comments and I have to say I know what you mean - they are simply bloody brilliant. Sorry to go off topic - how do you rate the 991 RS vs the Speciale ? Keep well I have driven a few scuds and whilst they are great given the choice the RS wins hands down.
I have a 991 RS at the mo and do keep considering swapping back to a 997 RS as I miss the gear change.
So in my opinion do it.
ruebdo said:
Having bought spider man ( Gen 2 GT3 RS) off Alpinestars (hello) and then sold it 1 year later I wish I had not. .
Hi Rupert. I should never have sold it (given it away!). I think they will become more sought after because the newer stuff, whilst quicker, cannot match the engagement of cars like the manual RS'.
I've not driven a car which is newer than the RS and hankered after it.
How do you find the 991? I thought the GT3 was pretty boring. Hopefully the RS is more engaging?
Slickhillsy said:
For me the Scud ticks most of the boxes (plenty drama and presence / specialness) however it does have a feel of fragility (that feeling of inevitability that in time a big bill might pop up). However it's not a manual, and no matter how good the superfast two shift is I miss that old school involvement.
comparing a Scud to a 997 RS imo is like comparing a formula 1 car with a rally car... The scud has the noise, the drama, the paddle shifts, the low flat seating position whereby the 997rs is a car whereby one needs to really sweat to get the most out of it. The scud is faster on the straights whereby the Porsche grips/stops better and has better feel on the twisties. Both are brilliant cars in their own respect but if the Scud has already satisfied your needs, I would go the RS way and make a change. Selling a LHD scud in the uk might not be so quick. It took me about 6 months to sell my LHD scud last year. It may be best to px it directly with an RS. Good luck!RSVP911 said:
Hi R - long time no speak - v interesting comments and I have to say I know what you mean - they are simply bloody brilliant. Sorry to go off topic - how do you rate the 991 RS vs the Speciale ? Keep well
Hi, as you say long time no speak. I hope you are enjoying your new RS. They are very good and the quicker you drive them the better they get. But the Speciale is on a different level in every way. I think there is no comparison!! Chat soonAlpinestars said:
Hi Rupert. I should never have sold it (given it away!).
I think they will become more sought after because the newer stuff, whilst quicker, cannot match the engagement of cars like the manual RS'.
I've not driven a car which is newer than the RS and hankered after it.
How do you find the 991? I thought the GT3 was pretty boring. Hopefully the RS is more engaging?
Hi mateI think they will become more sought after because the newer stuff, whilst quicker, cannot match the engagement of cars like the manual RS'.
I've not driven a car which is newer than the RS and hankered after it.
How do you find the 991? I thought the GT3 was pretty boring. Hopefully the RS is more engaging?
Lol, looking back at it you did give it away. Not at the time though!!
The 991 is a very good car but I have a feeling most of us with these cars are of an age that really likes the manual box, it is so much more engaging.
Originally I thought the 991 was boring. But, once they are run in and you can use the whole rev range they do come alive and sound amazing. The difference with the 997 RS is from the moment you turn the key they just sound raw and are hard to get into gear etc until fully awake. That's real character!!
Are you still collecting them??
Cheers
ruebdo said:
Hi mate
Lol, looking back at it you did give it away. Not at the time though!!
The 991 is a very good car but I have a feeling most of us with these cars are of an age that really likes the manual box, it is so much more engaging.
Originally I thought the 991 was boring. But, once they are run in and you can use the whole rev range they do come alive and sound amazing. The difference with the 997 RS is from the moment you turn the key they just sound raw and are hard to get into gear etc until fully awake. That's real character!!
Are you still collecting them??
Cheers
I can see you getting another on that basis!Lol, looking back at it you did give it away. Not at the time though!!
The 991 is a very good car but I have a feeling most of us with these cars are of an age that really likes the manual box, it is so much more engaging.
Originally I thought the 991 was boring. But, once they are run in and you can use the whole rev range they do come alive and sound amazing. The difference with the 997 RS is from the moment you turn the key they just sound raw and are hard to get into gear etc until fully awake. That's real character!!
Are you still collecting them??
Cheers
Yes still got all mine, but nothing new really appeals. Losing my mojo I think.
Im a 997 turbo owner. I have owned and driven several Porsches. I think the cars are great.
BUT ... I have also owned and driven several Ferraris. The closest I have driven to the scud was a 360CS, it was epic. They are awesome cars with soul and passion. I'm sorry but there is no comparison IMO .... If money were no object I would pick the Ferrari every time without hesitation.
BUT ... I have also owned and driven several Ferraris. The closest I have driven to the scud was a 360CS, it was epic. They are awesome cars with soul and passion. I'm sorry but there is no comparison IMO .... If money were no object I would pick the Ferrari every time without hesitation.
Thing is for a car lover, why on earth would you limit yourself to just one car, the same car for year after year?
If you had just £3k to spend on a car, there are many to choose from enjoy, move on and try the opposition.
Same if you have £300k
A car as special as a Scud, of course keep it longer than a year, get into it, enjoy and if possible master it...but then, personally, you'd be mad not to sample the competition or even something from a different sector. There are too many class marques not to.
Porsche, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Ferrari, Morgan, McLaren, TVR, Mercedes....modern and classic, you wouldnt have enough time to get to know them all....but my word what fun trying...
If you had just £3k to spend on a car, there are many to choose from enjoy, move on and try the opposition.
Same if you have £300k
A car as special as a Scud, of course keep it longer than a year, get into it, enjoy and if possible master it...but then, personally, you'd be mad not to sample the competition or even something from a different sector. There are too many class marques not to.
Porsche, Aston, Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Ferrari, Morgan, McLaren, TVR, Mercedes....modern and classic, you wouldnt have enough time to get to know them all....but my word what fun trying...
Chris355 said:
Im a 997 turbo owner. I have owned and driven several Porsches. I think the cars are great.
BUT ... I have also owned and driven several Ferraris. The closest I have driven to the scud was a 360CS, it was epic. They are awesome cars with soul and passion. I'm sorry but there is no comparison IMO .... If money were no object I would pick the Ferrari every time without hesitation.
Other than the noise, the RS and Scud are far better than a CS. BUT ... I have also owned and driven several Ferraris. The closest I have driven to the scud was a 360CS, it was epic. They are awesome cars with soul and passion. I'm sorry but there is no comparison IMO .... If money were no object I would pick the Ferrari every time without hesitation.
My 2ps worth.
Scuderia is epic in many ways, I loved mine and its undeniably more of an event every time you drive it than the Porsche would be. Its quicker than even a 3.8 RS ultimately, the electronics give a range of options in terms of how you can drive it , uncoupling the softer ride from the race function works well. Its gearbox is so involving , so much more tactile and characterful than the DCTs that have followed it.
But no question there's a fragility to its construction that always lurks at the back of your mind. A series of little issues that all cost a fortune to fix and the sense its going to break sooner rather than later.
And good as it is its definitely short of the RS in terms of feel and thorough sorting. The Porsche just has everything so well honed its remarkable. Its also more "chuckable" much easier to have driving fun in than the Ferrari IMO.Costs are 2/3 as much to run it as well.
Scuderia is epic in many ways, I loved mine and its undeniably more of an event every time you drive it than the Porsche would be. Its quicker than even a 3.8 RS ultimately, the electronics give a range of options in terms of how you can drive it , uncoupling the softer ride from the race function works well. Its gearbox is so involving , so much more tactile and characterful than the DCTs that have followed it.
But no question there's a fragility to its construction that always lurks at the back of your mind. A series of little issues that all cost a fortune to fix and the sense its going to break sooner rather than later.
And good as it is its definitely short of the RS in terms of feel and thorough sorting. The Porsche just has everything so well honed its remarkable. Its also more "chuckable" much easier to have driving fun in than the Ferrari IMO.Costs are 2/3 as much to run it as well.
cannot compare my experience as it's on older vehicles but my 997.1 GT3RS was so much faster and more involving around the track than my previous CStradale
....and yet I bought another Stradale recently (having thought of a 997.2 GT3RS as well): for the music, drama and not having time to track anymore, so only really for a few hundred miles a year.
This is why I chose the Strad just because I wouldn't drive it much (time issue)...otherwise it would have been the 997.2 GT3RS anytime. IMO the Ferrari only wins on the drama experience, but what a drama. For ever day life, the RS is so much more practical.
....and yet I bought another Stradale recently (having thought of a 997.2 GT3RS as well): for the music, drama and not having time to track anymore, so only really for a few hundred miles a year.
This is why I chose the Strad just because I wouldn't drive it much (time issue)...otherwise it would have been the 997.2 GT3RS anytime. IMO the Ferrari only wins on the drama experience, but what a drama. For ever day life, the RS is so much more practical.
Edited by 911Thrasher on Friday 29th January 13:42
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