Alternatives To The 991 Turbo S??
Discussion
ORD said:
I can see it for track driving.
The bad news is that you ain't gonna outrun a superbike at any sane speeds, surely? Low speed acceleration on a 1 litre bike is insane.
I'm sure the most powerful of Superbikes could hold their own, but I've out dragged your regular R's & ZX's in my M5 & that's low to mid 3's to 62 & high 6's to 100.
W8PMC said:
Depends what info you take as correct, but most Sports Bikes would struggle to match 2.6 to 62 & 6 secs to 100.
I'm sure the most powerful of Superbikes could hold their own, but I've out dragged your regular R's & ZX's in my M5 & that's low to mid 3's to 62 & high 6's to 100.
I wasn't thinking of standing start. You would need something quite special to do 50-100 faster than a superbike, I would expect. I may be wrong. I'm sure the most powerful of Superbikes could hold their own, but I've out dragged your regular R's & ZX's in my M5 & that's low to mid 3's to 62 & high 6's to 100.
The newer superbike do 0-100 in early 5's. Having the talent to do that is something else though. As others have said though, once moving I don't think you stand a chance of keeping up with the bike until ludicrous speeds, ie when the bike hit it limiter at circa 180. Search the tests between the GT2RS & Panigale on the web to see.
Add to that the bikes capability to pass traffic at will and it becomes even more one sided. In most day to day conditions a supercharged couldn't keep up with a 600cc bike for these reasons.
Does it really matter though.
Add to that the bikes capability to pass traffic at will and it becomes even more one sided. In most day to day conditions a supercharged couldn't keep up with a 600cc bike for these reasons.
Does it really matter though.
ORD said:
The bad news is that you ain't gonna outrun a superbike at any sane speeds, surely? Low speed acceleration on a 1 litre bike is insane.
Any superbike produced in the last 10 or 12 years is easily capable of 11 second standing quarters with terminal speeds up in the high 130s.
With a good rider on anything up to around 5 years old you can knock a second from the time and add 10 mph to the terminal speed.
Prices start at under £4000.
Mr 911 T surging up the slip road might not appreciate the facts though
Wet roads twisting between potholes and horse s
t and all bets are off...Hobo said:
I'd imagine that the 4WD Turbo S would have been a much better choice...I don't doubt whatsoever that a 4wd turbo s on wide tyres would have an extra benefit over the 2nd gt2rs wide wide tyres, both of which have subsyantial benefit over the 1wd motorcycle.
I was just emphasising a previous comment about how quick modern sup bikes care. You could look up the test between the Panigale Superlegerra (circa £50k), against the P1 & 918, and see how it is not until over 200mph that the cars catch up. The difference being the bike is massively quicker 100-150mph.
I was just emphasising a previous comment about how quick modern sup bikes care. You could look up the test between the Panigale Superlegerra (circa £50k), against the P1 & 918, and see how it is not until over 200mph that the cars catch up. The difference being the bike is massively quicker 100-150mph.
legzr1 said:
Why?
Same result I reckon.
Same ultimate result maybe, but the 991 Turbo S is significantly faster from a standing start, so it would have made a material difference.Same result I reckon.
legzr1 said:
As Hobo mentioned, does it really matter? Accept facts and move on.
It would also be much more relevant to the thread, as the thread is about the 991 Turbo S...Superbike faster than supercar on flat runway. No surprise there.
Edited by sidicks on Saturday 5th March 20:36
ORD said:
I wasn't thinking of standing start. You would need something quite special to do 50-100 faster than a superbike, I would expect. I may be wrong.
I was merely pointing out their isn't much in it. The more exotic bikes I've no experience of so can't comment but common sense suggests they'll be a touch quicker in a drag race, but your run of the mill sports bikes which I do have experience of such as R6/ZX6R etc. wouldn't stand a chance in a drag race. The Turbo S unless I'm mistaken does the 1/4 mile in well under 11secs, time & time again.However as said that's totally off topic. Had my fill of Sport & Superbikes 10+ yrs ago & that ship's certainly sailed.
W8PMC said:
I was merely pointing out their isn't much in it. The more exotic bikes I've no experience of so can't comment but common sense suggests they'll be a touch quicker in a drag race, but your run of the mill sports bikes which I do have experience of such as R6/ZX6R etc. wouldn't stand a chance in a drag race. The Turbo S unless I'm mistaken does the 1/4 mile in well under 11secs, time & time again.
However as said that's totally off topic. Had my fill of Sport & Superbikes 10+ yrs ago & that ship's certainly sailed.
All of the normal liter bikes will do it in 10 secs or lower in good conditions.However as said that's totally off topic. Had my fill of Sport & Superbikes 10+ yrs ago & that ship's certainly sailed.
Of course, in less than optimal conditions a 4WD car like the Porsche or the GTR will take it no doubt.
That said, a Hayabusa will do it sub 10 seconds for a tenth of the price, and a ninja 14 will do 9.5.
As the previous poster said, you'll need something very special to keep up with that pace. That's not to talk about involvement.
sidicks said:
It would also be much more relevant to the thread, as the thread is about the 991 Turbo S...
Which still wouldn't match a superbike as you've admitted yourself...sidicks said:
Superbike faster than supercar on flat runway. No surprise there.
Not to those who've ridden them, no.Edited by sidicks on Saturday 5th March 20:36
Shouldn't be a surprise to those who google performance figures either
Add in a couple of doddering drivers on your average B road and my money would be on just about any bike built in the last 30 years.
Still, a 991T even stuck in traffic still tells the world how successful the driver is
legzr1 said:
Not to those who've ridden them, no.
Shouldn't be a surprise to those who google performance figures either
You seem determined to try and start an argument and yet we are agreeing.Shouldn't be a surprise to those who google performance figures either
legzr1 said:
Add in a couple of doddering drivers on your average B road and my money would be on just about any bike built in the last 30 years.
Still, a 991T even stuck in traffic still tells the world how successful the driver is
Well certainly if you can afford a 991T you can afford any number of super bikes, so some people obviously choose the 991T for any number of reasons other than ultimate speed.Still, a 991T even stuck in traffic still tells the world how successful the driver is
I am not sure that the bike would actually be faster point-to-point, which is a very different question. I know which I would rather use quickly on our wet, poorly surfaced roads with lots of idiot drivers around. A bump that the Turbo S would eat up would leave you dead on the bike, and accident that would rip your head off on the bike would leave you slightly bruised in the Porker.
Not to say that you dont see a lot of organ donors on fast bikes. The tolerance for risk is astounding! I have seen bikes take corners utterly blind at speeds that I would never even consider holding in a big metal box with airbags and crumple zones!
Not to say that you dont see a lot of organ donors on fast bikes. The tolerance for risk is astounding! I have seen bikes take corners utterly blind at speeds that I would never even consider holding in a big metal box with airbags and crumple zones!
ORD said:
I am not sure that the bike would actually be faster point-to-point, which is a very different question. I know which I would rather use quickly on our wet, poorly surfaced roads with lots of idiot drivers around. A bump that the Turbo S would eat up would leave you dead on the bike, and accident that would rip your head off on the bike would leave you slightly bruised in the Porker.
Not to say that you dont see a lot of organ donors on fast bikes. The tolerance for risk is astounding! I have seen bikes take corners utterly blind at speeds that I would never even consider holding in a big metal box with airbags and crumple zones!
Fair points.Not to say that you dont see a lot of organ donors on fast bikes. The tolerance for risk is astounding! I have seen bikes take corners utterly blind at speeds that I would never even consider holding in a big metal box with airbags and crumple zones!
Add in the fact that a superbike ridden hard will empty a fuel tank in 80-100 miles and there's a fair chance any decent car will eventually catch up.
But, what a thrill those 80 miles can be - surely that's the point?
A riders head is around twice the height of a drivers head sitting in a low-slung sports car - that gives far better visibility so a bend might not be quite as blind to a rider.
There's no excuse for entering blind bends at 'terminal' velocity but it's worth mentioning.
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