Alternatives To The 991 Turbo S??
Discussion
Hedgeman said:
15 pages of hyperbole and adult top-trumps masquerading as some sort of objective scientific discussion 
The reality is that for UK driving, when purchasing anything much above an x35d/i, the only criteria of any value is how the car makes you feel when you are behind the wheel.
For me its how well the thing goes and reasonable running costs. If I wanted a car for how it makes me feel it would be something else other than a Porsche especially a turbo which is quite e a bland car once you get used to the warp levels of cross country pace. I think the GTx Porsche's have the feel good X factor though TBF. New GT3 revving to 9000rpm must make you feel like a race car driver lol. Spent some time in a 458 and 599 and they both made me grin like an idiot at maximum attack. After a few weeks in a 991 turbo S it was just more of the same mind boggling pace and even better handing than before - dare I say it a bit boring which is something all modern turbos have suffered from to some extent or another. Can't fault anyone buying a turbo though - most sensible and useable sports GT out there.The reality is that for UK driving, when purchasing anything much above an x35d/i, the only criteria of any value is how the car makes you feel when you are behind the wheel.
9e 28 said:
For me its how well the thing goes and reasonable running costs. If I wanted a car for how it makes me feel it would be something else other than a Porsche especially a turbo which is quite e a bland car once you get used to the warp levels of cross country pace. I think the GTx Porsche's have the feel good X factor though TBF. New GT3 revving to 9000rpm must make you feel like a race car driver lol. Spent some time in a 458 and 599 and they both made me grin like an idiot at maximum attack. After a few weeks in a 991 turbo S it was just more of the same mind boggling pace and even better handing than before - dare I say it a bit boring which is something all modern turbos have suffered from to some extent or another. Can't fault anyone buying a turbo though - most sensible and useable sports GT out there.
Can kind of see and agree with this Paul.The 911t might be just a bit too clinical and undramatic... And without noise
But at the same time for your needs you have to compromise somewhere
Problem being you really want a brand new car up to 150k there's not many exciting N/A cars available (high performance n/a to me adds a lot of drama ) nowadays it seems. R8 will be pretty epic but the 2 new ones I've seen haven't really been lookers....
(PS I am also a stage 2 DMS m5 owner and the figures are backed up by the huge increase in performance on the road)
likesachange said:
9e 28 said:
For me its how well the thing goes and reasonable running costs. If I wanted a car for how it makes me feel it would be something else other than a Porsche especially a turbo which is quite e a bland car once you get used to the warp levels of cross country pace. I think the GTx Porsche's have the feel good X factor though TBF. New GT3 revving to 9000rpm must make you feel like a race car driver lol. Spent some time in a 458 and 599 and they both made me grin like an idiot at maximum attack. After a few weeks in a 991 turbo S it was just more of the same mind boggling pace and even better handing than before - dare I say it a bit boring which is something all modern turbos have suffered from to some extent or another. Can't fault anyone buying a turbo though - most sensible and useable sports GT out there.
(PS I am also a stage 2 DMS m5 owner and the figures are backed up by the huge increase in performance on the road)
I agree. 95% of the time in reality a stock m5 will be as quick in today's climates and road restrictions but when you feel like the odd blip on a dual carriageway etc it's there ....
Plus I am away to Le Mans so the tolls will be more fun and I'm coming back over the Alps from the south and through germany so the extra power and speed limiter delete will be handy
Plus I am away to Le Mans so the tolls will be more fun and I'm coming back over the Alps from the south and through germany so the extra power and speed limiter delete will be handy
likesachange said:
I agree. 95% of the time in reality a stock m5 will be as quick in today's climates and road restrictions but when you feel like the odd blip on a dual carriageway etc it's there ....
Plus I am away to Le Mans so the tolls will be more fun and I'm coming back over the Alps from the south and through germany so the extra power and speed limiter delete will be handy
Enjoy your bonkers 750bhp M5 in good health - sounds fun Plus I am away to Le Mans so the tolls will be more fun and I'm coming back over the Alps from the south and through germany so the extra power and speed limiter delete will be handy
I don't really buy that 700bhp is practically any different from 600bhp in an AWD car. We are talking tiny fractions of seconds in any realistic acceleration scenario, as the 600bhp car will already crush any increment in a couple of seconds. You might actually miss having very slightly longer to appreciate the acceleration before you lose your licence.
If you are choosing between £150k cars on the basis of which is the fastest, you're kinda missing the point, in my opinion. I would go for whichever was the most fun to drive, which could easily be the slowest.
If you are choosing between £150k cars on the basis of which is the fastest, you're kinda missing the point, in my opinion. I would go for whichever was the most fun to drive, which could easily be the slowest.
ORD said:
I don't really buy that 700bhp is practically any different from 600bhp in an AWD car. We are talking tiny fractions of seconds in any realistic acceleration scenario, as the 600bhp car will already crush any increment in a couple of seconds. You might actually miss having very slightly longer to appreciate the acceleration before you lose your licence.
If you are choosing between £150k cars on the basis of which is the fastest, you're kinda missing the point, in my opinion. I would go for whichever was the most fun to drive, which could easily be the slowest.
This is why many of us prefer air cooled Porsches. Quite a few modern cars even when spending £150k are bland by comparison. Still the OP asked for viable alternative to a 991 turbo S. There aren't many if any when you take into account he would prefer to buy new and on finance. Its a segment of the market Porsche has owned for along long time with the turbo.If you are choosing between £150k cars on the basis of which is the fastest, you're kinda missing the point, in my opinion. I would go for whichever was the most fun to drive, which could easily be the slowest.
9e 28 said:
This is why many of us prefer air cooled Porsches. Quite a few modern cars even when spending £150k are bland by comparison. Still the OP asked for viable alternative to a 991 turbo S. There aren't many if any when you take into account he would prefer to buy new and on finance. Its a segment of the market Porsche has owned for along long time with the turbo.
I agree completely with that.Until the 991.2, which is a bit less special, Porsche has done the same thing with the Carrera and the Cayman / Boxster for a long time. I have tried to take the competition seriously, but they are simply nothing like good enough. People had wet dreams over the F-Type, but it's an overweight behemoth; people, including me, got all excited about the 4C but then it was an auto only with a shopping car engine. Nobody has even tried to really take on Porsche.
I'm surprised this doesn't get look in at this spend level.
http://www.oraclefinance.co.uk/Lamborghini-Huracan...
Sure the Turbo S is £145k so £15k less but there will hardly be any material difference on the monthly finance payments if you go through a firm like Oracle. Its where my money would go if I was to buy new and on finance etc. Looks outstanding value to me if you can say that at these price levels.
http://www.oraclefinance.co.uk/Lamborghini-Huracan...
Sure the Turbo S is £145k so £15k less but there will hardly be any material difference on the monthly finance payments if you go through a firm like Oracle. Its where my money would go if I was to buy new and on finance etc. Looks outstanding value to me if you can say that at these price levels.
Hedgeman said:
15 pages of hyperbole and adult top-trumps masquerading as some sort of objective scientific discussion
The reality is that for UK driving, when purchasing anything much above an x35d/i, the only criteria of any value is how the car makes you feel when you are behind the wheel.
Absolute cobblers. As an ex-owner of a 535D I can safely advise that there is nothing about a x35d that is any way comparable to a sports car. I can't believe how so many posters on a motoring forum can have so little appreciation of what makes a driver car. Performance is a factor, but so is handling, power delivery, noise etc. The incredibly boring and tedious nature of an x35D is the complete antithesis of what driving for pleasure is all about.The reality is that for UK driving, when purchasing anything much above an x35d/i, the only criteria of any value is how the car makes you feel when you are behind the wheel.
sidicks said:
Well certainly if you can afford a 991T you can afford any number of super bikes, so some people obviously choose the 991T for any number of reasons other than ultimate speed.
Staying alive for more than another year being the main one - particularly given how many sports bike riders drive like complete *****. Shame bikes don't go round corners for anyone but very skilled riders.Linky to the H 2wd brochure. I love the smaller 19 inch wheels with chunky tyres and the new more aggressive front end! http://huracan.lamborghini.com/LP-580-2/
ZesPak said:
All of the normal liter bikes will do it in 10 secs or lower in good conditions.
Of course, in less than optimal conditions a 4WD car like the Porsche or the GTR will take it no doubt.
That said, a Hayabusa will do it sub 10 seconds for a tenth of the price, and a ninja 14 will do 9.5.
As the previous poster said, you'll need something very special to keep up with that pace. That's not to talk about involvement.
My last bike was a ZX12R so the same straight line performance as the Busa. It was frighteningly quick, but as someone else said you'd need to be very brave (or stupid) to wind it up & hit those kind of stats. To get a 10sec run would take perfect conditions & a very committed rider, to do the same in say a Turbo S wouldn't which is perhaps more relevant.Of course, in less than optimal conditions a 4WD car like the Porsche or the GTR will take it no doubt.
That said, a Hayabusa will do it sub 10 seconds for a tenth of the price, and a ninja 14 will do 9.5.
As the previous poster said, you'll need something very special to keep up with that pace. That's not to talk about involvement.
likesachange said:
Can kind of see and agree with this Paul.
The 911t might be just a bit too clinical and undramatic... And without noise
But at the same time for your needs you have to compromise somewhere
Problem being you really want a brand new car up to 150k there's not many exciting N/A cars available (high performance n/a to me adds a lot of drama ) nowadays it seems. R8 will be pretty epic but the 2 new ones I've seen haven't really been lookers....
(PS I am also a stage 2 DMS m5 owner and the figures are backed up by the huge increase in performance on the road)
I totally agree but the underlying fact is I want a car that's very good - excellent at everything. Happy to compromise a couple of very goods in one car for an excellent in another but want to avoid choosing a car that's epic at 1-2 things & average at everything else.The 911t might be just a bit too clinical and undramatic... And without noise
But at the same time for your needs you have to compromise somewhere
Problem being you really want a brand new car up to 150k there's not many exciting N/A cars available (high performance n/a to me adds a lot of drama ) nowadays it seems. R8 will be pretty epic but the 2 new ones I've seen haven't really been lookers....
(PS I am also a stage 2 DMS m5 owner and the figures are backed up by the huge increase in performance on the road)
The more I think about it, the Turbo S is probably the closest of the 3 cars I'm considering to the M5. It doesn't flash it's knickers, doesn't shout loudly, isn't a Russian hooker in the running costs dept. & is on paper the fastest & benchmark sports car in it's category. I can't see me getting bored of it as every drive will be involving. It may not have the track focus of the GT's, but without calling as someone said a top trump, it's the very top of the Porsche range (ignoring the rag top), so one would hope have the best overall feel of any Porsche.
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