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I agree with you that Porsche's allocation management is sub-optimal. But it's disheartening that we as enthusiasts can't simply see a really exciting car and just appreciate it as petrolheads. Most people won't be getting P1s or LaFerraris either, and that doesn't make those cars any less interesting. A lot of the Porsche threads on here have stopped being about the cars and are instead about value and allocations.
I have my 991 GT3, and I have no plans to change it. Even if the 911R were available, it would likely be of little interest tom me as an alternative to the GT3. But the fact that the R exists has the little boy in me jumping in anticipation.
I have my 991 GT3, and I have no plans to change it. Even if the 911R were available, it would likely be of little interest tom me as an alternative to the GT3. But the fact that the R exists has the little boy in me jumping in anticipation.
Nimerino said:
Someone (a user that goes by the handle Metzeger) posted these on Rennlist a couple of hours ago.
Another forum member went all CSI on them and found this writing on the tach:
Looks like it's coming, and I for one am more excited than I thought I'd be, even though I'm not in the market for it. This thing might be genuinely special.
What, the 911R comes with some black cloth and tape? I'm sold Another forum member went all CSI on them and found this writing on the tach:
Looks like it's coming, and I for one am more excited than I thought I'd be, even though I'm not in the market for it. This thing might be genuinely special.
Yellow491 said:
Hunter what a insult to the 911r,a utter joke.
If buyers are falling for this as a r type,there is no hope of porsche ever making a proper lwt again.
No wonder the next competition gt3 will be mid engined..
Nail / head above. This reincarnation couldn't be any further away from the 1967 original. Nowhere in the information released so far, is there anything to suggest this is in any way shape or form a 911r in anything other than name. Without going into the extremes of exotic materials and fabrication methods, Porsche could easily produce an 1100kg 911. Instead the projected behemoth will just be a cleverly marketed nod in the general direction coming in at no more than 991 minus 100kg (if you're lucky). Sadly a missed opportunity!If buyers are falling for this as a r type,there is no hope of porsche ever making a proper lwt again.
No wonder the next competition gt3 will be mid engined..
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Nail / head above. This reincarnation couldn't be any further away from the 1967 original. Nowhere in the information released so far, is there anything to suggest this is in any way shape or form a 911r in anything other than name. Without going into the extremes of exotic materials and fabrication methods, Porsche could easily produce an 1100kg 911. Instead the projected behemoth will just be a cleverly marketed nod in the general direction coming in at no more than 991 minus 100kg (if you're lucky). Sadly a missed opportunity!
I'm confused by this. Firstly, there is every indication that Porsche is not only raiding the parts bin, but creating bespoke panels and parts to make this as lightweight as possible. Secondly, please explain exactly HOW Porsche could easily make a 1100 kg car. The 1967 car was an obsessive homologation exercise with no purpose other than to lose weight, and no safety or structural legislation to abide by. A car with all of the sound deadening taken out, seats removed and fripperies removed (without resorting to the use of exotic components) could not realistically get down to 1100 kg while conforming to legal necessities. There's just no way. If a true-to-god single-minded racing car is what you're after, Porsche makes several of those. They race (unlike the original 911R which was, lest we forget, an abject failure in achieving project goals as it didn't get homologated), and they do quite well. This car isn't that. It's what every enthusiast has been screaming at the top of their lungs that they wanted from Porsche, and yet now it's apparently categorically a "missed opportunity" prior to even being released. Hogwash.
GT4P said:
Would be nice if built in similar numbers to the Cayman R! Which if I remember correctly was built /alluded to pay homage to the early 911R!
I think it was more a case of raiding the last of the parts bin, but a great car was certainly created. It wasn't intended to be limited though, just the uptake wasn't significant, plenty were pre-registered by the dealers etc, I doubt the same will happen with the 991R.Nimerino said:
I'm confused by this. Firstly, there is every indication that Porsche is not only raiding the parts bin, but creating bespoke panels and parts to make this as lightweight as possible. Secondly, please explain exactly HOW Porsche could easily make a 1100 kg car. The 1967 car was an obsessive homologation exercise with no purpose other than to lose weight, and no safety or structural legislation to abide by. A car with all of the sound deadening taken out, seats removed and fripperies removed (without resorting to the use of exotic components) could not realistically get down to 1100 kg while conforming to legal necessities. There's just no way.
If a true-to-god single-minded racing car is what you're after, Porsche makes several of those. They race (unlike the original 911R which was, lest we forget, an abject failure in achieving project goals as it didn't get homologated), and they do quite well. This car isn't that. It's what every enthusiast has been screaming at the top of their lungs that they wanted from Porsche, and yet now it's apparently categorically a "missed opportunity" prior to even being released. Hogwash.
So why call this attempt a 911r,this is total hogwash!a 911 r was a road legal race car that did have some crash protection.If a true-to-god single-minded racing car is what you're after, Porsche makes several of those. They race (unlike the original 911R which was, lest we forget, an abject failure in achieving project goals as it didn't get homologated), and they do quite well. This car isn't that. It's what every enthusiast has been screaming at the top of their lungs that they wanted from Porsche, and yet now it's apparently categorically a "missed opportunity" prior to even being released. Hogwash.
The wiring loom alone could be thinned down,remove all the junk such as air con,elec windows etc etc
Porsche bigest problem is current guide lines for production cars,but other manufacturers get around it one way or another.
Nimerino said:
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
Nail / head above. This reincarnation couldn't be any further away from the 1967 original. Nowhere in the information released so far, is there anything to suggest this is in any way shape or form a 911r in anything other than name. Without going into the extremes of exotic materials and fabrication methods, Porsche could easily produce an 1100kg 911. Instead the projected behemoth will just be a cleverly marketed nod in the general direction coming in at no more than 991 minus 100kg (if you're lucky). Sadly a missed opportunity!
I'm confused by this. Firstly, there is every indication that Porsche is not only raiding the parts bin, but creating bespoke panels and parts to make this as lightweight as possible. Secondly, please explain exactly HOW Porsche could easily make a 1100 kg car. The 1967 car was an obsessive homologation exercise with no purpose other than to lose weight, and no safety or structural legislation to abide by. A car with all of the sound deadening taken out, seats removed and fripperies removed (without resorting to the use of exotic components) could not realistically get down to 1100 kg while conforming to legal necessities. There's just no way. If a true-to-god single-minded racing car is what you're after, Porsche makes several of those. They race (unlike the original 911R which was, lest we forget, an abject failure in achieving project goals as it didn't get homologated), and they do quite well. This car isn't that. It's what every enthusiast has been screaming at the top of their lungs that they wanted from Porsche, and yet now it's apparently categorically a "missed opportunity" prior to even being released. Hogwash.
For me this new 991R is basically a GT3 with a few lighter panels and no rear wing. I really hope I am proven wrong
To all of those who want a 911R like the old model, here you go, Porsche already offers exactly that:
http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto...
http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto...
EricE said:
To all of those who want a 911R like the old model, here you go, Porsche already offers exactly that:
http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto...
Unfortunately those are neither road legal nor do they have a manual transmission .... would be very cool if they built one with a manual and maybe a light cqrpet and 2 seats (and a less extreme cage - Maybe like the stuff Ruf offers)http://www.porsche.com/uk/motorsportandevents/moto...
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