911 R

[Dr S]

Anyone having furhter insight into what spec etc. the R is going to be beyond GT3 engine and manual?

[GT4P]

If it is a manual I wonder what gearbox they will use as I read many times over that the Pdk 7 speed manual conversion is a bit naff unlike say a gt4 6 speed! I also presume it's a detuned version of the 4.0 gt3 RS engine and not the former 3.8 991gt3 engine

[Budweiser]

Deletion of some of the fancy bits, but can be included as no cost options, less grip, thinner tyres on centre lock wheels, no wings etc.

[LordOfTheManor]

= more fun than the RS

Budweiser said:

Deletion of some of the fancy bits, but can be included as no cost options, less grip, thinner tyres on centre lock wheels, no wings etc.

[Flugplatz]

GT4P said:

If it is a manual I wonder what gearbox they will use as I read many times over that the Pdk 7 speed manual conversion is a bit naff unlike say a gt4 6 speed! I also presume it's a detuned version of the 4.0 gt3 RS engine and not the former 3.8 991gt3 engine

No.

It will be the 3.8 991 gt3 engine.

what is a PDK 7 speed manual conversion?

[Steve Rance]

I'd like to see a car offered in the true spirit of the original. The ethos bring all about weight saving. A true lightweight built with a nod back towards the analogue. For me it needs more ( or less ) than just a nanual gearbox. It needs passive dampers a mechanical diff passive anti roll bars and no rear wheel steer full a fully involving driving experience.

It won't happen of course and no doubt there will be 100 different stitching and trim options as well.. But I live in hope!.

[Robbo66]

The issue for me with the R, is like the '7RS 4.0....they're so rare that you can't actually use them as intended without absolutely killing the value.
Also fear the 991 RS is due for a significant correction, not because of the R however, other factors.

[mollytherocker]

Robbo66 said:

The issue for me with the R, is like the '7RS 4.0....they're so rare that you can't actually use them as intended without absolutely killing the value.
Also fear the 991 RS is due for a significant correction, not because of the R however, other factors.

This does not compute.

It doesnt matter what you do to them, you will lose LESS than a Carrera! How is that bad?

[Robbo66]

mollytherocker said:

Robbo66 said:

The issue for me with the R, is like the '7RS 4.0....they're so rare that you can't actually use them as intended without absolutely killing the value.
Also fear the 991 RS is due for a significant correction, not because of the R however, other factors.

This does not compute.

It doesnt matter what you do to them, you will lose LESS than a Carrera! How is that bad?

You'll lose far more if you drive the R, when they rocket, which they will. Look at the 991RS, £20k diff in price from a 50 miler to a 1000 miler, and the JZM car sticking.

[mollytherocker]

Robbo66 said:

mollytherocker said:

Robbo66 said:

The issue for me with the R, is like the '7RS 4.0....they're so rare that you can't actually use them as intended without absolutely killing the value.
Also fear the 991 RS is due for a significant correction, not because of the R however, other factors.

This does not compute.

It doesnt matter what you do to them, you will lose LESS than a Carrera! How is that bad?

You'll lose far more if you drive the R, when they rocket, which they will. Look at the 991RS, £20k diff in price from a 50 miler to a 1000 miler, and the JZM car sticking.

Yes but you are still up! You have lost nothing! How is this bad?

If they didnt appreciate, they would DEPRECIATE! Its win win! Would you prefer that?

[Robbo66]

mollytherocker said:

Yes but you are still up! You have lost nothing! How is this bad?

If they didnt appreciate, they would DEPRECIATE! Its win win! Would you prefer that?

Molly, you'll hammer the overs if you drive it, and though you won't lose from the RRP, you'll lose far more as regards what you could have realised, against the £20k or so drop from a cooking 911. It's costing you £20 per mile in overs depreciation on the 'appreciation' alone on the 991 RS at the moment.

[Magic919]

Not the real Molly.

[mollytherocker]

Robbo66 said:

Molly, you'll hammer the overs if you drive it, and though you won't lose from the RRP, you'll lose far more as regards what you could have realised, against the £20k or so drop from a cooking 911. It's costing you £20 per mile in overs depreciation on the 'appreciation' alone on the 991 RS at the moment.

Yes, you will reduce the appreciation, I know that. So what? It is still appreciating!

I know guys that have got worried about affecting the level of appreciation and sold their cars and then bought one that depreciates and reckon its 'more usable without worrying' or some such. Think about that!

You are dying, we are all dying, drive your damn cars before its too late!

If you are just about investment, then buy gold, oil paintings or whatever is the latest hot tip!

[Fl0pp3r]

Flugplatz said:

No.

It will be the 3.8 991 gt3 engine.

Has to be I'd have thought - what else are they gonna do with all those 'refurbished' 991 engines! :-o

[thegreenhell]

Robbo66 said:

Molly, you'll hammer the overs if you drive it, and though you won't lose from the RRP, you'll lose far more as regards what you could have realised, against the £20k or so drop from a cooking 911. It's costing you £20 per mile in overs depreciation on the 'appreciation' alone on the 991 RS at the moment.

When you're on your death bed, would you rather look back and remember how much money you made in overs from not driving your finely-honed special 911, or remember the great times you had thrashing the nuts off it as its makers intended?

This is perhaps easy for me to say from a position of not being able to afford one, but it is a car made for driving, and if I owned one I wouldn't be able to stop myself from driving it at every opportunity.

[Dr S]

Steve Rance said:

I'd like to see a car offered in the true spirit of the original. The ethos bring all about weight saving. A true lightweight built with a nod back towards the analogue. For me it needs more ( or less ) than just a nanual gearbox. It needs passive dampers a mechanical diff passive anti roll bars and no rear wheel steer full a fully involving driving experience.

It won't happen of course and no doubt there will be 100 different stitching and trim options as well.. But I live in hope!.

Will it at least have a single-mass flywheel?

[Richie200]

Dr S said:

Will it at least have a single-mass flywheel?

Very doubtful as it will have a negative effect on MPG, and they wont want that now will they!

I personally can't see this being anything like what Porsche are capable of. Just look at the difference between the GT3 and RS, there is next to no difference in weight, when they could have easily taken 200kg out of it if they really wanted to. On my RS for instance, just the carpet set I have fitted saved 17.5kg. I have no idea why Porsche refuse to do what is right as per the original 911R. All this is, is another Halo effect special for the 918 owners.

NOTE: I will obviously eat my hat if this comes in at 200-250kg lighter than the GT3.

[MDL111]

Richie200 said:

Dr S said:

Will it at least have a single-mass flywheel?

Very doubtful as it will have a negative effect on MPG, and they wont want that now will they!

I personally can't see this being anything like what Porsche are capable of. Just look at the difference between the GT3 and RS, there is next to no difference in weight, when they could have easily taken 200kg out of it if they really wanted to. On my RS for instance, just the carpet set I have fitted saved 17.5kg. I have no idea why Porsche refuse to do what is right as per the original 911R. All this is, is another Halo effect special for the 918 owners.

NOTE: I will obviously eat my hat if this comes in at 200-250kg lighter than the GT3.

If this comes in at 250kg lighter than a GT3 I will start selling organs and pay the overs.... I think my non-vital organs are save though

[Dr S]

Richie200 said:

Very doubtful as it will have a negative effect on MPG, and they wont want that now will they!

I personally can't see this being anything like what Porsche are capable of. Just look at the difference between the GT3 and RS, there is next to no difference in weight, when they could have easily taken 200kg out of it if they really wanted to. On my RS for instance, just the carpet set I have fitted saved 17.5kg. I have no idea why Porsche refuse to do what is right as per the original 911R. All this is, is another Halo effect special for the 918 owners.

NOTE: I will obviously eat my hat if this comes in at 200-250kg lighter than the GT3.

Which carpets did you fit if I may ask?

[Richie200]

Dr S said:

Richie200 said:

Very doubtful as it will have a negative effect on MPG, and they wont want that now will they!

I personally can't see this being anything like what Porsche are capable of. Just look at the difference between the GT3 and RS, there is next to no difference in weight, when they could have easily taken 200kg out of it if they really wanted to. On my RS for instance, just the carpet set I have fitted saved 17.5kg. I have no idea why Porsche refuse to do what is right as per the original 911R. All this is, is another Halo effect special for the 918 owners.

NOTE: I will obviously eat my hat if this comes in at 200-250kg lighter than the GT3.

Which carpets did you fit if I may ask?

I put a link to them in the first post of this thread from memory