Is The Silly Season Coming To An End

[Harris_I]

Mario149 said:

in fact I'm thinking of booking a morning on the low friction stuff (would be third time there, but first in 993) at PEC Silverstone purely to learn how to tame its arse in a safe environment

I've been wanting to find somewhere to learn to drift my own car that's not too far from the southeast. I thought PEC required punters to drive their cars, no?

[Mario149]

Harris_I said:

Mario149 said:

in fact I'm thinking of booking a morning on the low friction stuff (would be third time there, but first in 993) at PEC Silverstone purely to learn how to tame its arse in a safe environment

I've been wanting to find somewhere to learn to drift my own car that's not too far from the southeast. I thought PEC required punters to drive their cars, no?

You can do yours or theirs from memory. I did the inaugural YouDrive@Porsche as it was (is still?) called back in 2008 or so in my 996 C4S, then I did a morning there last July in various BGTSs which was the freebie you get when ordering a new car, followed by the afternoon session in my GT3 which I'd driven there in.

[Hollowpockets]

Silly season? I think you'll have more tales of missed cars at X price in years to come if you don't take the plunge as these cars are selling and the RS cars won't loose money long term.

I bought this in November for 170k with no hassle, Porsche warranty, set of decals and a few other things thrown in and it's fantastic... In to get detailed, paint film and new decals fitted...

Edited by Hollowpockets on Tuesday 2nd February 21:59

[Juno]

Impressive car,you are braver than me

Hollowpockets said:

Silly season? I think you'll have more tales of missed cars at X price in years to come if you don't take the plunge as these cars are selling and the RS cars won't loose money long term.

I bought this in November for 170k with no hassle, Porsche warranty, set of decals and a few other things thrown in and it's fantastic... In to get detailed, paint film and new decals fitted...

Edited by Hollowpockets on Tuesday 2nd February 21:59

[Slickhillsy]

Juno said:

Impressive car,you are braver than me

Hollowpockets said:

Silly season? I think you'll have more tales of missed cars at X price in years to come if you don't take the plunge as these cars are selling and the RS cars won't loose money long term.

I bought this in November for 170k with no hassle, Porsche warranty, set of decals and a few other things thrown in and it's fantastic... In to get detailed, paint film and new decals fitted...

Edited by Hollowpockets on Tuesday 2nd February 21:59

Nothing brave about this... I spoke to JZM just last week and they have a similar car coming in any day that will sticker at £192k!!!!!!!

[Hollowpockets]

Slickhillsy said:

Nothing brave about this... I spoke to JZM just last week and they have a similar car coming in any day that will sticker at £192k!!!!!!!

That's nice to know, I was going to buy the same colour but with the red detail however the car had very few miles and was 20k more, I'd rather have a higher mile car so it's less affected by my use, this has 19k.

[LaSource]

Slickhillsy said:

Nothing brave about this... I spoke to JZM just last week and they have a similar car coming in any day that will sticker at £192k!!!!!!!

That's already sold - went incredibly quickly

[LaSource]

Hollowpockets said:

Silly season? I think you'll have more tales of missed cars at X price in years to come if you don't take the plunge as these cars are selling and the RS cars won't loose money long term.

I bought this in November for 170k with no hassle, Porsche warranty, set of decals and a few other things thrown in and it's fantastic... In to get detailed, paint film and new decals fitted...

Edited by Hollowpockets on Tuesday 2nd February 21:59

+1 I bought one in September last year in a similar price bracket.
I've already had people calling me to ask if I would be interested in selling.

...not trying to talk up the market but just highlight that demand is there for the right cars - especially RS models.

[arcticGT]

Terrible buys, too stiff for road use, gears are far too long, no back seats and they'll loose 50% of value next Tuesday afternoon

[v8ksn]

Grey 997.2 RS's are gorgeous! Any colour RS is gorgeous actually .... this is mine....



I know its not an RS but I love it just the same

[S1MMA]

Mario149 said:

OP: have you actually driven a 997 GT3? They are fab cars, but having owned one, they're not really suited to the road - too firm and gearing too long to really enjoy. You need to track them to really enjoy them (and they are fab there!), at which point it's going to start getting expensive. And there's also an argument that they're not focused enough as standard for the track if you're reeeeally into your track driving and know what you're doing.

If it's the driving enjoyment you crave, you might be better off getting a regular 997.2 C2S and just fitting some fancy shocks/springs/ARBs/new topmounts/poly bushes etc and getting it set up properly. If the shocks are adjustable like PSS10s you can even dial them up and down depending on whether you're on the road or track. You could do all that for about £5k plus cost of the car and it'd be reversible if you wanted to sell.

ETA: Carnewal do PSS9s for 997 C2s - http://www.carnewal.com/products/P97/p97023/Bilste...

I've had my 997 GT3 for coming up to 6 years now. I disagree that you can't enjoy them on the road, although the gearing is long and they are firmly sprung, the whole point of owning one is to venture to roads where you can open them up a bit and enjoy them. I now live in central London, and yes I agree the GT3 doesn't get used much in town - when venturing out and I have the keys to my 7 series with heated seats/steering wheel it's not a difficult decision which to take especially in winter!

For euro trips, the GT3 is brilliant. I've done the autobahns and driven through the alps, great experience. I've parked in all manner of hotels and car parks, yes you do get the odd scrape on the front splitter here and there, but it's no great hardship.

Regular C2S doesn't compare for me, even with uprated suspension and other mods. I have compared whilst driving my GT3 and literally swapped cars jumping in to C2S gen 1 and C4S gen 2 both manual. The Carrera gearshift feels sloppy after coming out of a GT3, the engine isn't in the same league and it just doesn't have the same connected feel. Yes if you play with the suspension you could create a more engaging drive, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can create 90% of a GT3 for a few grand. You can't.

How long did you own yours for Mario? Where did you drive it?

[Mario149]

S1MMA said:

I've had my 997 GT3 for coming up to 6 years now. I disagree that you can't enjoy them on the road, although the gearing is long and they are firmly sprung, the whole point of owning one is to venture to roads where you can open them up a bit and enjoy them. I now live in central London, and yes I agree the GT3 doesn't get used much in town - when venturing out and I have the keys to my 7 series with heated seats/steering wheel it's not a difficult decision which to take especially in winter!

For euro trips, the GT3 is brilliant. I've done the autobahns and driven through the alps, great experience. I've parked in all manner of hotels and car parks, yes you do get the odd scrape on the front splitter here and there, but it's no great hardship.

Regular C2S doesn't compare for me, even with uprated suspension and other mods. I have compared whilst driving my GT3 and literally swapped cars jumping in to C2S gen 1 and C4S gen 2 both manual. The Carrera gearshift feels sloppy after coming out of a GT3, the engine isn't in the same league and it just doesn't have the same connected feel. Yes if you play with the suspension you could create a more engaging drive, but don't kid yourself into thinking you can create 90% of a GT3 for a few grand. You can't.

How long did you own yours for Mario? Where did you drive it?

Like I said in my post, it's each to their own - if you feel you can enjoy it on the road with that much money tied up in it, then it's a great car with little to touch it, and I'm really glad I owned mine. But I felt that on balance, it was wasted as a road car as I have other Porsches where you can use a larger percentage of the performance more of the time on your Sunday drive. Ditto them being more suitable cars for road trips (have done 14K miles of road trips in my 993 in 3 years, 4.5K miles of road trips in my BGTS in 7 months, and I've tracked them both).

My GT3 got used for 3.5k miles in my year of ownership, which included Sunday hoons, weekends away in Wales and about 5 days at track events inc low friction afternoon at PEC. Every time I took it on track it was f-ing epic. It had the knack of rewarding a reasonably experienced track driver like myself and not being too scary, but demanding enough respect so you didn't take the mick. A prime example is at TSE last year: the passenger rides were virtually rained off on the Sat afternoon - only myself, a 360 and few other cars carried on and we had a glorious 2 hours or so with the track virtually to ourselves going sideways round Bacharach and Gambon with lots of oppo and excited passengers By the time you've done stuff like that, short shifting a Mezger to stay on the right side of plod on the way out to Sunday lunch just didn't cut it anymore, no matter how good the steering feel So it was a case of either just keep it for tracking (eventually going to be expensive and make resale difficult) or, what I did: sell it to buy a blindingly mental track car (Caterham 620R) that'll cost peanuts to run with £15K in my pocket and leave the road-biased cars for the road (and the odd track day too )

Please don't think I'm knocking the GT3, I just think that at what they cost now (£80K), you can buy a more focused track car for the same (or actually much less) money which you won't worry as much about stacking, and a better road focused car for the money. If we were talking about what GT3s _used_ to cost (£40Ks...) it'd be a completely different story. But as it stands, for GT3 money as a road car, I'd rather have an F430/Gallardo - less accomplished as a drive I am almost certain, but more exciting in other ways.

Edited by Mario149 on Wednesday 3rd February 15:09

[Flugplatz]

mollytherocker said:

I dont think you will ever see any 996 or 997 GT3 any cheaper than they are now.

I just cant fathom a logical reason as to why prices would crash.

Hmmmmm.... I would be selling right now not buying.

I think we are in the final moments of the madness and during 2016 these cars along with everything else that has gone mad will start to drop in price.
The industry Im in has always been a good indicator of whats coming and it feels identical to the 3rd quarter of 2008 right now.

[mollytherocker]

Flugplatz said:

mollytherocker said:

I dont think you will ever see any 996 or 997 GT3 any cheaper than they are now.

I just cant fathom a logical reason as to why prices would crash.

Hmmmmm.... I would be selling right now not buying.

I think we are in the final moments of the madness and during 2016 these cars along with everything else that has gone mad will start to drop in price.
The industry Im in has always been a good indicator of whats coming and it feels identical to the 3rd quarter of 2008 right now.

I think you are wrong. Meet back here in December?

[Steve Rance]

Flugplatz said:

Hmmmmm.... I would be selling right now not buying.

I think we are in the final moments of the madness and during 2016 these cars along with everything else that has gone mad will start to drop in price.
The industry Im in has always been a good indicator of whats coming and it feels identical to the 3rd quarter of 2008 right now.

Disagree. These cars represent a moment in time that will probably be repeated. They are not a basic C2 that is possibly carried away on an air cooled revival, they are a serious peice of kit with probably one of the best engines ever put in a racing car let alone a road car and closely related to the most successful racing car that Porsche ever built.

[J12KJR]

Flugplatz said:

Hmmmmm.... I would be selling right now not buying.

I think we are in the final moments of the madness and during 2016 these cars along with everything else that has gone mad will start to drop in price.
The industry Im in has always been a good indicator of whats coming and it feels identical to the 3rd quarter of 2008 right now.

What industry is it that you are in?

[d16rr]

Steve Rance said:

Disagree. These cars represent a moment in time that will probably be repeated. They are not a basic C2 that is possibly carried away on an air cooled revival, they are a serious peice of kit with probably one of the best engines ever put in a racing car let alone a road car and closely related to the most successful racing car that Porsche ever built.

Fully agree with this, just been for a blast in my gt3 cs and wow it leaves me speechless every time, so much more alive through every part you're connected too, my 991.1 4s is good but it's been a few months since my last alanlog (almost) experience. Hopefully get to take it out again at the weekend fingers crossed.

[996GT2]

I doubt I could afford to buy the car I have now in this market and this is fueling my desire to keep hold of it unless I absolutely have to sell it. It's not about holding on to it to see where the values go it's a fear of selling and never being able to own one again. I agree with the points above about these cars being a snapshot of Porsche history that won't ever happen again, the 991 generation cars don't interest me at all and from what I can tell I'm by no means alone in that!

[v8ksn]

996GT2 said:

I doubt I could afford to buy the car I have now in this market and this is fueling my desire to keep hold of it unless I absolutely have to sell it. It's not about holding on to it to see where the values go it's a fear of selling and never being able to own one again. I agree with the points above about these cars being a snapshot of Porsche history that won't ever happen again, the 991 generation cars don't interest me at all and from what I can tell I'm by no means alone in that!

That's exactly how I feel about mine

[roygarth]

Steve Rance said:

Disagree. These cars represent a moment in time that will probably be repeated. They are not a basic C2 that is possibly carried away on an air cooled revival, they are a serious peice of kit with probably one of the best engines ever put in a racing car let alone a road car and closely related to the most successful racing car that Porsche ever built.

Which car(s) are you referring to?