Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2

Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2

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Big Al.

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68,798 posts

257 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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R8VXF

6,788 posts

114 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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55k for a Vauxhall?

Janesy B

2,625 posts

185 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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Someone at work was amazed that I drove the Belgium in a 2003 Focus. It was 200 miles away and didn't even use a full tank of fuel for the whole trip.

Flibble

6,470 posts

180 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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Janesy B said:
Someone at work was amazed that I drove the Belgium in a 2003 Focus. It was 200 miles away and didn't even use a full tank of fuel for the whole trip.
It's foreign though isn't it? Must be miles!

BluePurpleRed

1,137 posts

225 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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I had the same thing, massively incredulous relatives that.... we made it up to Liverpool from London in a 1997 1.4 Polo!!!

Also, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?

The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.

It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.

Slow

6,973 posts

136 months

Thursday 4th February 2016
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BluePurpleRed said:
I had the same thing, massively incredulous relatives that.... we made it up to Liverpool from London in a 1997 1.4 Polo!!!

Also, we not only made it alive but we didn't find it at all difficult? I couldn't quite pin down if it was a size, or age thing around the fact that they thought we were mad. It was a boring journey in the rain and I didn't want my Tuscan up on bricks :P and seeing as we wouldn't be doing any interesting roads why bother taking it?

The little thing was in great nick. Bought for my girlfriend to learn to drive in for £850 about 3 years ago.

It sort of boiled down to things being "old". I said that it would have done it when new and in fact would have been a pretty good car in that class to do it in compared to the French stuff. I think it is due to people thinking an MOT is a service and so people around them not doing any work on cars, hence they break and therefore "old" = about to break or will break. The idea of actually buying a good one and then looking after it was akin to buying 2nd hand and then mending your own shoes! Just buy a new pair. They are now 3 years old sort of stuff... I think was the idea.
I did London to Inverness in a 1983 cherry turbo with 2 days mot, unseen prior to purchase. People seem to think old = instantly fked. Only problems were almost bald tyres, a headlight was out so had to stop in at a uncles overnight and the radio volume was broken which meant me and my friend both had headphones in to listen to music as the straight through exhaust made talking to each other impossible.


Also yes this post is just to get reminders of this thread in *my stuff* hence the little relevance

HorneyMX5

5,308 posts

149 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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I had people boggling at taking a 23 year old MX5 over to Europe for a week.

Shockingly it was fine.

blueg33

35,580 posts

223 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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jamieduff1981 said:
Diesels are great for overtaking.

Are they fk. They give you just enough confidence to commit then once alongside the overtakee it becomes painfully apparent that the engine has already shot its load and you're in that ponderous region where it's too limpwristed to rev much higher but it's not really time for a gearchange either.

blueg33 said:
take it you haven't driven a 3.0 Audi diesel? Especially the bi turbo
Which are dismaly slow compared to the petrol 3.0 Audi S4 diesel?
Err....

Audi S4 20012 V A6 3.0bitdi Quattro 2012

0-100 KMH Diesel 5.7 Petrol 5.3
0-180 kmh Diesel 15.7 Petrol 16.0

but more importantly for overtaking

80-140kmh Diesel 3.4 Petrol 3.4
80-180kmh Diesel 12.0 Petrol 11.8

There is so little in it you cannot say that the diesel is dismally slow. Plus the A6 is heavier than the S4


Edited by blueg33 on Friday 5th February 09:21

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Kicking off with a bang.

"Diesels are faster because they rev less which means they must get to their top speed faster"

IanCress

4,409 posts

165 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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But the point remains that with so much low down torque diesels convince you that they're a lot quicker than they are, if you expect the power to build with revs the same as it does in a petrol engine car.

I remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!

blueg33

35,580 posts

223 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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IanCress said:
But the point remains that with so much low down torque diesels convince you that they're a lot quicker than they are, if you expect the power to build with revs the same as it does in a petrol engine car.

I remember the first time I ever drove a diesel. It was a 110bhp VW Bora - Damn this is quick I thought (compared to my Punto), until I accelerated up a motorway slip road and found it had nothing more to give after 2000rpm!
Depends on the diesel like it depends on the petrol car in question. Probably should leave this for another thread though

HorneyMX5

5,308 posts

149 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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It's because diesel drivers love the feeling of a good jerk off.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerk_(physics)

ChemicalChaos

10,360 posts

159 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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and as I said in the last post on the previous thread,

ChemicalChaos said:
I've long-term driven both a 435d and 3.0tdi. As said, yes they are , very very quick with an instant slug of torque, but they are all out of ideas at 3500rpm and need another gear from their huge 8 speed boxes.
Conversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bks

blueg33

35,580 posts

223 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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ChemicalChaos said:
and as I said in the last post on the previous thread,

ChemicalChaos said:
I've long-term driven both a 435d and 3.0tdi. As said, yes they are , very very quick with an instant slug of torque, but they are all out of ideas at 3500rpm and need another gear from their huge 8 speed boxes.
Conversley, my n/a V8 Range Rover pulls nicely in a linear fashion up to 5k rpm which makes accelerating hard through less, longer, gears much nicer than thudding through short ratios to keep on the torque curve. Ok, it's rather slower than the above but then that's down to its weight and shape.
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bks
See stats above S4 v 3.0bitdi

and before you say I have no idea what I am talking about, bear in mind that until a couple of years ago I have a 400bhp Tuscan.

Fast in the context people are talking about is "on the road fast", yes the Tuscan was amazing at high revs over 100mph, but that's not the way people drive their daily's.

TREMAiNE

3,904 posts

148 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Pointless comment so the thread appears in my stuff.

Blown2CV

28,697 posts

202 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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i feel this is getting dangerously close to a debate on torque. Again.

Paul_M3

2,356 posts

184 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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TREMAiNE said:
Pointless comment so the thread appears in my stuff.
Or you could just click the 'watch' button... smile

Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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ChemicalChaos said:
People who think turbodiesels really are fast apart from just off the line should be made to drive a big N/A GT car like a TVR or a V12 Aston Martin, then they'd see they're talking bks
...and then they should be made to ride a 1,000cc sports bike with a mere 75ftlbs smile

AH33

2,066 posts

134 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Ooh, a bmw. I bet that's fast.

118d. No.

yellowjack

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165 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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TREMAiNE said:
Pointless comment so the thread appears in my stuff.
...or you could just click on the 'binocular' icon at the bottom of the page. It does the same job... wink