991 GTS Must haves

[Shiverman]

Same here. I had thought about waiting for the .2GTS before I bought my .1. Spec'd a .2 to my liking the other day £114k in manual. Wow!!

Would like a .2GT3 but fear that is very unlikely so am currently looking at Vantage V12S Manual. Trouble is I want to keep the .1GTS as I still soooo regret selling my 10k mile 997GTS manual with leather dash, buckets, SC and everything else. That could have worked well alongside the AMV but I would need more money now to get into a PDK with 30k miles and normal seats so doesn't really make sense any longer.

[tuffer]

Shiverman said:

Same here. I had thought about waiting for the .2GTS before I bought my .1. Spec'd a .2 to my liking the other day £114k in manual. Wow!!

Would like a .2GT3 but fear that is very unlikely so am currently looking at Vantage V12S Manual. Trouble is I want to keep the .1GTS as I still soooo regret selling my 10k mile 997GTS manual with leather dash, buckets, SC and everything else. That could have worked well alongside the AMV but I would need more money now to get into a PDK with 30k miles and normal seats so doesn't really make sense any longer.

If you can't get a GT3 then I have no chance. Sucks.

[Cheib]

You need your head examining if you trade in a 991.1 for a .2 IMHO!

[AndyCGTS]

What are the general thoughts on the PDCC vs a SPASM car? As I am going to see if I can demo a few soon.

[Shiverman]

tuffer said:

If you can't get a GT3 then I have no chance. Sucks.

LOL - Chris you're far more likely to get an allocation as I've hacked them off. They couldn't get me a 991GTS and told to to wait and be patient when I had seen a great spec 2k mile car at another OPC.

Needless to say I didn't wait and am now being told that my Macan Turbo PP that I deposited on a year ago has slipped from Dec 16 and will be Q2/3 2017! Apparently there were other customers who deposited ahead of me and they have been allocated all the stock and they don't know when the next allocations will be but none until Q2 and no guarantees I'll be lucky enough even then! I know they have delivered 2 already and have another one for Jan so I seem to have well and truly slipped down the list. Also took 4 emails and 2 phone calls to get the above response. Hence looking at V12S as AM seem to want me to buy one of their cars. I have spoken to another OPC and they think they can get me a Turbo PP in Q2 so I'm currently deciding whether to move the order.

[Bystander1978]

So this thread is full of first gen 991 gts as am I and love our cars for reasons stated before.

I'd be interested to hear from those who decide to buy and gen 2 turbo gts while turning down a used gen 1.

Is it the new car thing?

I love cars and always look to move on but when think about next steps I get stuck
Discuss...

[porkgts]

AndyCGTS said:

What are the general thoughts on the PDCC vs a SPASM car? As I am going to see if I can demo a few soon.

Love love love SPASM, not keen on PDCC as it feels a little artificial in a sports car and more to go wrong, etc

[porkgts]

Bystander1978 said:

So this thread is full of first gen 991 gts as am I and love our cars for reasons stated before.

I'd be interested to hear from those who decide to buy and gen 2 turbo gts while turning down a used gen 1.

Is it the new car thing?

I love cars and always look to move on but when think about next steps I get stuck
Discuss...

First time I can't think which car next... my 991.1 GTS just does it for me.

The thing with the .2 GTS I don't get is now it's turbo, why not just buy the proper big daddy turbo s?

Going to keep the last of the NA!! Cars are changing forever and quicker than we realise.

[Shiverman]

porkgts said:

First time I can't think which car next... my 991.1 GTS just does it for me.

The thing with the .2 GTS I don't get is now it's turbo, why not just buy the proper big daddy turbo s?

Going to keep the last of the NA!! Cars are changing forever and quicker than we realise.

Me too. Fill the garage with as many of the last NA's you can get your hands on. The world is changing fast.

Edited by Shiverman on Saturday 14th January 23:47

[kini mini]

m88ony said:

No reaction from me. Very happy to stick with my gen 1 991 gts. Have a smug look on my face as the new gen 2 is turbo charged!

I don't see people in this thread going over, but there may be others out there (I hope) who went for a GTS as a top end C2S, not wanting the NA engine particularly, who look to go for the latest and greatest and trade in their gen 1s. Feels a bit like wishful thinking I know!

[porkgts]

kini mini said:

I don't see people in this thread going over, but there may be others out there (I hope) who went for a GTS as a top end C2S, not wanting the NA engine particularly, who look to go for the latest and greatest and trade in their gen 1s. Feels a bit like wishful thinking I know!

Yes there will always be some people who always want the latest thing. That would have been me a few years ago but I just don't like the turbo in the 911 so I'm now stuck as I've always had 911s from 996 to now. Will be interesting to see the reviews of the new one. The thing with the turbos is they sound ok at idle but when you get on the move and rev more the sound seems to disappear.

[Gorsh]

I can fully understand all the comments on this thread about how 991.1 owners love their cars - but why so many anti-turbo remarks? Cars have always evolved and progressed with more power better handling and more technology - and that isn't going to stop. Porsche have had a 911 turbo for decades and hardly ever get a negative comment - so why now?

The Turbo and Turbo S models have bigger engines and much more power than the base and S cars so they are still in a different league - you have to pay considerably more for them too, a decent spec Turbo S will be £150k so they are well outside the range of those buyers with £110-120k to spend.

I am seriously considering a 991.2 GTS in place of my 981 BGTS, the NA engine is great, but I'm very happy to trade it and move forward. There are many happy owners of the 718 models now despite all the negative feeling - a drive of one convinces most people they are a better car.

Having said that we are all different and that's a good thing, so there will be those who will always prefer the NA engines - and those who don't like any Porsche except the air cooled engines - look at how the first water cooled ones were received - the same anti brigade as here, but eventually most come round to the fact the newer cars are better.

[Cheib]

Gorsh said:

I can fully understand all the comments on this thread about how 991.1 owners love their cars - but why so many anti-turbo remarks? Cars have always evolved and progressed with more power better handling and more technology - and that isn't going to stop. Porsche have had a 911 turbo for decades and hardly ever get a negative comment - so why now?

The Turbo and Turbo S models have bigger engines and much more power than the base and S cars so they are still in a different league - you have to pay considerably more for them too, a decent spec Turbo S will be £150k so they are well outside the range of those buyers with £110-120k to spend.

I am seriously considering a 991.2 GTS in place of my 981 BGTS, the NA engine is great, but I'm very happy to trade it and move forward. There are many happy owners of the 718 models now despite all the negative feeling - a drive of one convinces most people they are a better car.

Having said that we are all different and that's a good thing, so there will be those who will always prefer the NA engines - and those who don't like any Porsche except the air cooled engines - look at how the first water cooled ones were received - the same anti brigade as here, but eventually most come round to the fact the newer cars are better.

If you read back through the 991.1 GTS threads people absolutely love about that car is how it sounds....same for the Boxster Spyder and GT4....Porsche absolutely nailed it with all three cars. The one thing that people think of a weak point of the 997.2 GTS is how it sounds. It's a huge part of the ownership experience! Read thread in the BMW forums about the current M3 and M4....lots of people don't like how they sound.

It's a bit like the PDK/Manual debate....most people love PDK but some people just want a manual gearbox.

The PSE has apparently been tweaked in the GTS over Carrera/S...be interesting to see if its markedly better.

[porkgts]

Gorsh said:

I can fully understand all the comments on this thread about how 991.1 owners love their cars - but why so many anti-turbo remarks? Cars have always evolved and progressed with more power better handling and more technology - and that isn't going to stop. Porsche have had a 911 turbo for decades and hardly ever get a negative comment - so why now?

The Turbo and Turbo S models have bigger engines and much more power than the base and S cars so they are still in a different league - you have to pay considerably more for them too, a decent spec Turbo S will be £150k so they are well outside the range of those buyers with £110-120k to spend.

I am seriously considering a 991.2 GTS in place of my 981 BGTS, the NA engine is great, but I'm very happy to trade it and move forward. There are many happy owners of the 718 models now despite all the negative feeling - a drive of one convinces most people they are a better car.

Having said that we are all different and that's a good thing, so there will be those who will always prefer the NA engines - and those who don't like any Porsche except the air cooled engines - look at how the first water cooled ones were received - the same anti brigade as here, but eventually most come round to the fact the newer cars are better.

The turbos as you say have been for sale for ages but a lot of people myself included just didn't care for one even if we could afford one. Yes very very fast but no sound and a once the novelty of the speed wears off a little boring.

Speccing a new GTS to my current cars spec means you'd be spending nearly 115k - if it's turbo anyway why not just buy a lightly use 'Turbo' and have a hundred extra horsepower!?

Now no choice for a NA screamer, GT cars excepted. So rather than being anti progress I guess I'm anti change that to me seems worse.

Yes will be interesting to hear the sound on the new GTS, like I said the sports exhaust on the 991.2 sounds good in the showroom but once on the move seems to disappear somewhat inside the car.

Guess we just have to wait and see and like you say people like different things

[AndyCGTS]

porkgts said:

Love love love SPASM, not keen on PDCC as it feels a little artificial in a sports car and more to go wrong, etc

Thank you.

This seem to be the general consensus from what i have been reading but demo both before coming to my finial conclusion.

[Fokker]

Gorsh said:

I can fully understand all the comments on this thread about how 991.1 owners love their cars - but why so many anti-turbo remarks? Cars have always evolved and progressed with more power better handling and more technology - and that isn't going to stop. Porsche have had a 911 turbo for decades and hardly ever get a negative comment - so why now?

The Turbo and Turbo S models have bigger engines and much more power than the base and S cars so they are still in a different league - you have to pay considerably more for them too, a decent spec Turbo S will be £150k so they are well outside the range of those buyers with £110-120k to spend.

I am seriously considering a 991.2 GTS in place of my 981 BGTS, the NA engine is great, but I'm very happy to trade it and move forward. There are many happy owners of the 718 models now despite all the negative feeling - a drive of one convinces most people they are a better car.

Having said that we are all different and that's a good thing, so there will be those who will always prefer the NA engines - and those who don't like any Porsche except the air cooled engines - look at how the first water cooled ones were received - the same anti brigade as here, but eventually most come round to the fact the newer cars are better.

People will absolutely buy the .2 GTS but I think on here you'll find a strong following for the more pure car which is the .1. As I've said before, the new 991.2 was for me a real disappointment in three areas. First is the sound. For all it's bangs and pops on overrun which seem to be very exaggerated, the incar howl and proper noise of the .1 GTS and even normal cooking 911 is very diluted. Secondly is the turbo lag making the car feel much more lazy and less on the edge and thirdly was the fact that I just kept hitting the rev limited at 6 thousand and something revs. It was like driving a different version of a 911 which wasn't as good.

You say people love the 911 turbo well yes they do and I'd very happily have one as an every day car but not for weekend fun on my favourite roads. Generally the people who buy the non turbo models do so because of what they give you and that's instant throttle response which to me is really important. Many people on here talk of how the initial appeal and sheer speed of a 911 turbo soon diminishes because that's kind of all it has, less noise and passion perhaps. There's a reason companies like acrapovic exist and that's because people want their cars to sound as good as they go. Porsche never offered a sports exhaust on their 911 turbo models because it's not an easy job to make a turbo charged engine sound good. Ferrari I think have nailed it with the 488 with no lag and it sounds pretty good if not as good as the 458. Porsche are some way off doing that with that 3 litre turbo. It may be that reducing lag is easier with a V engine over a flat six? Its quite possible that the only way Porsche will perhaps get around the issue of lag is with hybrid technology.

We all sound like train spotters with our love of N/A but to those that love it and mourned its passing, the old guard is where it's at. Turbo lag and lack of top end is just a massive disappointment to me. I would suggest to anyone who's not convinced to go and try a 991.2 then a 991 GTS. It's the only way you'll be able to make your mind up.

Edited by Fokker on Sunday 15th January 13:26

[Gorsh]

Fokker said:

People will absolutely buy the .2 GTS but I think on here you'll find a strong following for the more pure car which is the .1. As I've said before, the new 991.2 was for me a real disappointment in three areas. First is the sound. For all it's bangs and pops on overrun which seem to be very exaggerated, the incar howl and proper noise of the .1 GTS and even normal cooking 911 is very diluted. Secondly is the turbo lag making the car feel much more lazy and less on the edge and thirdly was the fact that I just kept hitting the rev limited at 6 thousand and something revs. It was like driving a different version of a 911 which wasn't as good.

We all sound like train spotters with our love of N/A but to those that love it and mourned its passing, the old guard is where it's at. I would suggest to anyone who's not convinced to go and try a 991.2 then a 991 GTS. It's the only way you'll be able to make your own mind up.

Most tests and reviews say the lag is there but not bad at all and easy to get used to, and allegedly in sport mode where the revs are kept up the lag almost disappears. I suppose we all react differently to it and our tolerance of it differs. I am used to the NA in my BGTS, it's a 3.4 but sounds great so I fully understand the love of it. However, I often enjoy driving 'lazily' but still having loads of power at lower revs so I'm looking forward to test driving a 991.2. The Boxster only gets really going above 4000 rpm so it's kind of flat at low revs where the 991.2 will pull strongly from much lower down. I have a BMW 330D and it has loads of lag just flooring the throttle from low revs, but stick it in sport mode the response is almost instant because it keeps the revs up a bit - I expect the 991.2 to have a lot better response than the diesel but still be more instant with sport mode which keeps the turbos spinning. It may not be as pure as the NA but I think it offers a lot to compensate for that shortfall.

[porkgts]

Fokker said:

People will absolutely buy the .2 GTS but I think on here you'll find a strong following for the more pure car which is the .1. As I've said before, the new 991.2 was for me a real disappointment in three areas. First is the sound. For all it's bangs and pops on overrun which seem to be very exaggerated, the incar howl and proper noise of the .1 GTS and even normal cooking 911 is very diluted. Secondly is the turbo lag making the car feel much more lazy and less on the edge and thirdly was the fact that I just kept hitting the rev limited at 6 thousand and something revs. It was like driving a different version of a 911 which wasn't as good.

You say people love the 911 turbo well yes they do and I'd very happily have one as an every day car but not for weekend fun on my favourite roads. Generally the people who buy the non turbo models do so because of what they give you and that's instant throttle response which to me is really important. Many people on here talk of how the initial appeal and sheer speed of a 911 turbo soon diminishes because that's kind of all it has, less noise and passion perhaps. There's a reason companies like acrapovic exist and that's because people want their cars to sound as good as they go. Porsche never offered a sports exhaust on their 911 turbo models because it's not an easy job to make a turbo charged engine sound good. Ferrari I think have nailed it with the 488 with no lag and it sounds pretty good if not as good as the 458. Porsche are some way off doing that with that 3 litre turbo. It may be that reducing lag is easier with a V engine over a flat six? Its quite possible that the only way Porsche will perhaps get around the issue of lag is with hybrid technology.

We all sound like train spotters with our love of N/A but to those that love it and mourned its passing, the old guard is where it's at. Turbo lag and lack of top end is just a massive disappointment to me. I would suggest to anyone who's not convinced to go and try a 991.2 then a 991 GTS. It's the only way you'll be able to make your mind up.

Edited by Fokker on Sunday 15th January 13:26

That nailed it for me, very well put.

After multiple 911s and then a little break I really wanted to like the 991.2. Had a go in a few different versions but it just wasn't as I remembered them and I couldn't bring myself to love them enough to spend 100k. Just think they've lost the Porsche magic slightly. One go in a 991.1 GTS and the smile on my face said it all and I knew I had to have one there and then.

[Fokker]

Gorsh said:

Most tests and reviews say the lag is there but not bad at all and easy to get used to, and allegedly in sport mode where the revs are kept up the lag almost disappears. I suppose we all react differently to it and our tolerance of it differs. I am used to the NA in my BGTS, it's a 3.4 but sounds great so I fully understand the love of it. However, I often enjoy driving 'lazily' but still having loads of power at lower revs so I'm looking forward to test driving a 991.2. The Boxster only gets really going above 4000 rpm so it's kind of flat at low revs where the 991.2 will pull strongly from much lower down. I have a BMW 330D and it has loads of lag just flooring the throttle from low revs, but stick it in sport mode the response is almost instant because it keeps the revs up a bit - I expect the 991.2 to have a lot better response than the diesel but still be more instant with sport mode which keeps the turbos spinning. It may not be as pure as the NA but I think it offers a lot to compensate for that shortfall.

It's quite possible that you're the perfect .2 GTS customer. You appreciate the GTS badge and extra frills plus you're happy to drive lazily and use the torque which is great. It'll be a very rapid car! I on the other hand find my excitement at the top end and I don't want to have to 'get used to' the lag. . The mere fact that you mention a BMW diesel in the same sentence as the .2 GTS says it all for me of which I totally agree with you, it'll be a torque fest but that's not good for me. It'll be a great car but just a less exciting version of the current one and have more of the point and squirt blunderbus characteristics of the 'Turbo' and if I wanted those characteristics I'd be buy a Turbo S at that money.

Absolutely each to their own and I am sure that whoever wants one will enjoy their cars very much. I think it's probably the best looking 911 on sale currently

[dvshannow]

hi after being out of 911 ownership since selling my 997 gt3 8 years ago now am finally getting back in.

have a 991.2 GTS on the way and finalising the spec, is there anything crucial am missing from below

GTS interior
-10mm ride
Front Axle lift
SportDesignPackage (no ducktail unfort was told the turbo air outlet prohibits this now)
PDK
Cruise
Rain sensor
Park assist
Privacy glass
Light Design
Regular sports seats + heating
Burnmester sound

thanks