991 GTS Must haves
Discussion
Podro said:
That was mine... you won't see it again I'm afraid as it's currently on a boat to HK!
Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
That's good to know and get an owners opinion on the manual. From the reviews I've seen of the manual gts, I've not seen any such comments but I can recall people not liking the manual 7 speeder in the 991. Harris had a pdk 2wd gts I think so didn't get his opinion on the manual. Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
I see the stick is longer than in the gt4, like too long actually on the high tunnel but I may well consider a nicely spec'd pdk as it is going to be a daily.
Won't he gear ratios be the same between pdk and manual?
Podro said:
That was mine... you won't see it again I'm afraid as it's currently on a boat to HK!
Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
I travel to HK a few times a year, so I might see it! I'll keep my eyes open and post a picture of I spot it.Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
I had read the 7 speed was not as good on the 991 but then thought people said the GTS version was much improved.
I too am after a daily driver as a main car atm so may try and jump in a PDK and see how I get on.
m33ufo said:
Noooo...it's a bit too soon. I need to see where the 7.2 RS is heading 
Personally not a huge fan of the 7 speed manual and actually think the PDK box suits the GTS perfectly. It's awesome and a nice contrast to the manual Spyder.
I think we all have the same ideas and desires to own the same cars. Have been looking at 7.2RS - just worried about potential loss as they do seem high at the moment and not many are selling. Even 991 gt3 seem to be moving faster (ok they're £30-40k cheaper).Personally not a huge fan of the 7 speed manual and actually think the PDK box suits the GTS perfectly. It's awesome and a nice contrast to the manual Spyder.
Think I'll try and get a drive in a PDK but be warned you may find me parked at the end of your drive if I like it!
Shiverman said:
m88ony said:
Interesting you guys wanting to come out of the GT4. I was originally going for the GT4 but went for the GTS for similar reasons stated above.
There is a cracking manual GTS4 in Sapphire Blue at OPC Swindon. Spec looks great as well. Sapphire Blue looks stunning in the flesh.
Good luck!
It's a nice car but I'm not sure if it has been a PEC car. I'm extremely fussy and it didn't quite hit it for me on condidition. Mrs S liked the look, colour etc. Also it was 4wd so I felt I was forcing it rather than buying an ideal spec.There is a cracking manual GTS4 in Sapphire Blue at OPC Swindon. Spec looks great as well. Sapphire Blue looks stunning in the flesh.
Good luck!
Timjrogers said:
I've been considering this car too, interested to know what was wrong condition wise as I too am fussy and this could save a long trip to Swindon? The 4WD is a compromise for me too as ideal spec would be 2wd but rest of the spec is spot on. I didn't know this was ex Porsche management...not made my mind up on that yet..
I have found used cars at my local OPC to be at a very good standard so this would surprise me. With that amount of money it should be prepared in great condition. Timjrogers said:
I've been considering this car too, interested to know what was wrong condition wise as I too am fussy and this could save a long trip to Swindon? The 4WD is a compromise for me too as ideal spec would be 2wd but rest of the spec is spot on. I didn't know this was ex Porsche management...not made my mind up on that yet..
Hi Tim. This question is so subjective. The car was always a compromise so I wasn't really looking to buy - more looking for reasons not too! It hadn't been fully prepped when I saw it but from memory the interior is in good condition and not kicked around like on some cars. Exterior seemed good to me as well. There was a little corrosion on the front hubs which is a bug bear I have but could no doubt be sorted. I remember wishing it was a 2WD as it ticked so many boxes so if you can get over that one, it seems a good price and might well be worth the trip for you.I think you mean corrosion on the brake disc outset hubs? This is fault normal but in this case I would think indicative of a management car that's just lived it's 2 years outside in the elements. Also having done little over 2000 miles per year has been standing.
Prob not an issue but I think we're painting a pretty accurate picture of its life thus far.
Also it doesn't have the nicest steering wheel as it's the leather heated option plus leather gear know. Alcantara sport design would be nicer? £1000 to change it over.
It's a nice spec otherwise but I can't get my head around the 4wd. I'm now going to consider a pdk as its a daily too. Will give me more choice hopefully.
Prob not an issue but I think we're painting a pretty accurate picture of its life thus far.
Also it doesn't have the nicest steering wheel as it's the leather heated option plus leather gear know. Alcantara sport design would be nicer? £1000 to change it over.
It's a nice spec otherwise but I can't get my head around the 4wd. I'm now going to consider a pdk as its a daily too. Will give me more choice hopefully.
Fokker said:
I think you mean corrosion on the brake disc outset hubs? This is fault normal but in this case I would think indicative of a management car that's just lived it's 2 years outside in the elements. Also having done little over 2000 miles per year has been standing.
Prob not an issue but I think we're painting a pretty accurate picture of its life thus far.
Also it doesn't have the nicest steering wheel as it's the leather heated option plus leather gear know. Alcantara sport design would be nicer? £1000 to change it over.
It's a nice spec otherwise but I can't get my head around the 4wd. I'm now going to consider a pdk as its a daily too. Will give me more choice hopefully.
The fact its been sitting there for so long I would be surprised if you couldn't include the sport design steering wheel for free,Prob not an issue but I think we're painting a pretty accurate picture of its life thus far.
Also it doesn't have the nicest steering wheel as it's the leather heated option plus leather gear know. Alcantara sport design would be nicer? £1000 to change it over.
It's a nice spec otherwise but I can't get my head around the 4wd. I'm now going to consider a pdk as its a daily too. Will give me more choice hopefully.
Shiverman said:
I think we all have the same ideas and desires to own the same cars. Have been looking at 7.2RS - just worried about potential loss as they do seem high at the moment and not many are selling. Even 991 gt3 seem to be moving faster (ok they're £30-40k cheaper).
Think I'll try and get a drive in a PDK but be warned you may find me parked at the end of your drive if I like it!
I agree that the 7.2RS is just a little on the high side right now but at £140/150K it makes sense to me so I'm hoping that's where it's heading. The 991 GT3 is always going to be overshadowed by its next gen replacement so definitely not for me. The 991 GTS is the pinnacle of its type give that the next gen will be an inferior turbo. Think I'll try and get a drive in a PDK but be warned you may find me parked at the end of your drive if I like it!
My GTS is pretty much the perfect spec and colour (for me), so if you're parking up, remember to bring a big case of cash!
Fokker said:
Podro said:
That was mine... you won't see it again I'm afraid as it's currently on a boat to HK!
Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
That's good to know and get an owners opinion on the manual. From the reviews I've seen of the manual gts, I've not seen any such comments but I can recall people not liking the manual 7 speeder in the 991. Harris had a pdk 2wd gts I think so didn't get his opinion on the manual. Sold pretty quickly for full asking price, the chap flew over to view it, returned to HK and flew back again last Friday to collect it and drive it to the port.
That was my 3rd GTS, 2 997's and 1 991. I didn't gel with the manual 991 at all, it's not a great box and terrible when you are moving up and down the gears for misalignment. No need at all for the 7 cogs, it's way too long legged. I'll stick to PDK next time and will probably go back to a 997.
I see the stick is longer than in the gt4, like too long actually on the high tunnel but I may well consider a nicely spec'd pdk as it is going to be a daily.
Won't he gear ratios be the same between pdk and manual?
https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/the-goodwood-te...
I remember him saying he liked the 'box but re-reading that it's more he prefers it over the earlier manual 991's he drove. He's not gushing about the quality of the gearchange for eample. Do they offer an SSK on thee 991 ? A long gear lever mounted relatively high up because of the 991's transmission tunnel might be a bit odd.
m33ufo said:
I agree that the 7.2RS is just a little on the high side right now but at £140/150K it makes sense to me so I'm hoping that's where it's heading. The 991 GT3 is always going to be overshadowed by its next gen replacement so definitely not for me. The 991 GTS is the pinnacle of its type give that the next gen will be an inferior turbo.
My GTS is pretty much the perfect spec and colour (for me), so if you're parking up, remember to bring a big case of cash!
And some sun glasses! My GTS is pretty much the perfect spec and colour (for me), so if you're parking up, remember to bring a big case of cash!
Cheib said:
Here's the article Harris wrote about the 991 GTS he had
https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/the-goodwood-te...
I remember him saying he liked the 'box but re-reading that it's more he prefers it over the earlier manual 991's he drove. He's not gushing about the quality of the gearchange for eample. Do they offer an SSK on thee 991 ? A long gear lever mounted relatively high up because of the 991's transmission tunnel might be a bit odd.
Thanks for that Cheib. For some reason i thought he was test driving the PDK. The Getawayer youtube guy, Guido, also reckons that the manual is a good 'box if you think his opinion is valued?https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/the-goodwood-te...
I remember him saying he liked the 'box but re-reading that it's more he prefers it over the earlier manual 991's he drove. He's not gushing about the quality of the gearchange for eample. Do they offer an SSK on thee 991 ? A long gear lever mounted relatively high up because of the 991's transmission tunnel might be a bit odd.
At the end of the day, a manual 2wd GTS in a spec close to what you want is going to be a hard find so I', considering a PDK.
I want GT silver or Carmine with some decent options for resale and for me.
On the other hand, with the new GTS Turbo coming our way very soon (when?) we will undoubtedly find more 991.1 GTS' on the market and therefore more choice and quite possibly slightly lower premiums?
Fokker said:
m33ufo said:
I agree that the 7.2RS is just a little on the high side right now but at £140/150K it makes sense to me so I'm hoping that's where it's heading. The 991 GT3 is always going to be overshadowed by its next gen replacement so definitely not for me. The 991 GTS is the pinnacle of its type give that the next gen will be an inferior turbo.
My GTS is pretty much the perfect spec and colour (for me), so if you're parking up, remember to bring a big case of cash!
And some sun glasses! My GTS is pretty much the perfect spec and colour (for me), so if you're parking up, remember to bring a big case of cash!
If I was lucky enough to get a PTS option on a future GT then I'd seriously consider going with Mint again. It makes the car for me.
Fokker said:
Cheib said:
Here's the article Harris wrote about the 991 GTS he had
https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/the-goodwood-te...
I remember him saying he liked the 'box but re-reading that it's more he prefers it over the earlier manual 991's he drove. He's not gushing about the quality of the gearchange for eample. Do they offer an SSK on thee 991 ? A long gear lever mounted relatively high up because of the 991's transmission tunnel might be a bit odd.
Thanks for that Cheib. For some reason i thought he was test driving the PDK. The Getawayer youtube guy, Guido, also reckons that the manual is a good 'box if you think his opinion is valued?https://www.goodwood.com/grrc/road/the-goodwood-te...
I remember him saying he liked the 'box but re-reading that it's more he prefers it over the earlier manual 991's he drove. He's not gushing about the quality of the gearchange for eample. Do they offer an SSK on thee 991 ? A long gear lever mounted relatively high up because of the 991's transmission tunnel might be a bit odd.
At the end of the day, a manual 2wd GTS in a spec close to what you want is going to be a hard find so I', considering a PDK.
I want GT silver or Carmine with some decent options for resale and for me.
On the other hand, with the new GTS Turbo coming our way very soon (when?) we will undoubtedly find more 991.1 GTS' on the market and therefore more choice and quite possibly slightly lower premiums?
I think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
Cheib said:
I suppose at the end of the day you've just got to test drive one and see what it feels like ? Maybe if you're near Swindon try the Carrera 4 they have? I quite like the Getawayer's vid's too. He's much more my cup of tea than some more popular Vloggers! The gearchange in my 997 GTS sold me the car in the first 30 seconds of driving....I hadn't even got above 20 mph!
I think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
I agree but lots of people drive 911's who don't care about the noise or the lack of revs and just want the latest, newest, most modern etcI think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
One of them is probably driving about in my perfect spec!
Interesting data here for the GTS manual 991 if i am reading it correctly? The graph shows that lots more Manual cars were registered towards the end of its life than at the beginning or in the middle.
I wonder who much of this was due to the 911R manual effect plus signs that these could be the last of the manual non turbo cars? It jumps from Q1 2015
Any thoughts?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
I wonder who much of this was due to the 911R manual effect plus signs that these could be the last of the manual non turbo cars? It jumps from Q1 2015
Any thoughts?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
Fokker said:
Interesting data here for the GTS manual 991 if i am reading it correctly? The graph shows that lots more Manual cars were registered towards the end of its life than at the beginning or in the middle.
I wonder who much of this was due to the 911R manual effect plus signs that these could be the last of the manual non turbo cars? It jumps from Q1 2015
Any thoughts?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
I believe those numbers are cumlative, click on New Registrations tabI wonder who much of this was due to the 911R manual effect plus signs that these could be the last of the manual non turbo cars? It jumps from Q1 2015
Any thoughts?
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
There are approximately 40 manual 991 GTS's in the country based on that which is about 10% of total cars I believe. There's a better DVLA site where you can get a better breakdown which someone in PH has posted before (naturally!).
Cheib said:
I think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
People will upgrade cos they want the next shiny new thing. Really not so different to some of us on here - we don't need to change our cars, we just like the chase and experience of new ones with the difference being most of us are looking at it from a certain level of purity (NA & manual) and the car being at the pinnacle of that series as a driving experience.Plus let's be honest, most of us want to do this and enjoy our 'hobby' whilst hopefully not losing our shirt in depreciation each time we change car. I'm sure if the cars we look at depreciated at the rate of say a BMW 6 series there would be a lot less owners on the log books of our P&J's. All just my opinion.
Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff