991 GTS Must haves
Discussion
Some further context on my experience of the manual box...
Firstly, I found it a little notchy. Not too bad if you weren't trying to rush the change and took your time, but trying to rush it particularly on the downshift meant that you could easily go 7th to 4th, rather than hitting 6th, same on the upshift, so I often found myself hitting 5th instead of 7th from 6th. It was like the self-centre didn't line up, I read somewhere that it could work out whether to centre under 5th, 3rd or 1st depending on whether you were going up or down the box (not sure that is true?), but it never really did it for me! I think a SSK would help and I fitted a B&M kit to my 996 years ago that worked wonders, but not sure whether they do the same for a 991.
Secondly, due to the long gearing you don't find yourself swapping the cogs as much as perhaps you need to keep in the torque curve. Anything less than 4k RPM the engine felt a little sluggish and the exhaust quiet. After 5K all hell seemed to break loose, but to constantly be in that window you had to swap gears more often and then you encounter the notchy missed gears again.
In summary, for driving at 7/10's it didn't do anything for me. It was either all too easy and quiet, or straining at the leash if I was trying to keep it in the optimum torque/engine noise window. Using the Sport Plus helped and provided the auto-blip, but let's face it you sound a bit of a nob driving round auto-blipping everywhere. Perhaps I should have driven it harder and more often in the 8/10's+ window to truly enjoy it, but that means you are travelling at some serious speed on the country lanes near to where I live.
Overall, on my PDK gearboxes I found that I could manage the engine, box, RPM, noise combo so much more effectively and more within my abilities as a driver to enjoy the experience more. I never truly achieved the same level of experience and engagement with the manual. Perhaps another driver could and it's down to how you use the car, but for me it will be PDK again next.
Firstly, I found it a little notchy. Not too bad if you weren't trying to rush the change and took your time, but trying to rush it particularly on the downshift meant that you could easily go 7th to 4th, rather than hitting 6th, same on the upshift, so I often found myself hitting 5th instead of 7th from 6th. It was like the self-centre didn't line up, I read somewhere that it could work out whether to centre under 5th, 3rd or 1st depending on whether you were going up or down the box (not sure that is true?), but it never really did it for me! I think a SSK would help and I fitted a B&M kit to my 996 years ago that worked wonders, but not sure whether they do the same for a 991.
Secondly, due to the long gearing you don't find yourself swapping the cogs as much as perhaps you need to keep in the torque curve. Anything less than 4k RPM the engine felt a little sluggish and the exhaust quiet. After 5K all hell seemed to break loose, but to constantly be in that window you had to swap gears more often and then you encounter the notchy missed gears again.
In summary, for driving at 7/10's it didn't do anything for me. It was either all too easy and quiet, or straining at the leash if I was trying to keep it in the optimum torque/engine noise window. Using the Sport Plus helped and provided the auto-blip, but let's face it you sound a bit of a nob driving round auto-blipping everywhere. Perhaps I should have driven it harder and more often in the 8/10's+ window to truly enjoy it, but that means you are travelling at some serious speed on the country lanes near to where I live.
Overall, on my PDK gearboxes I found that I could manage the engine, box, RPM, noise combo so much more effectively and more within my abilities as a driver to enjoy the experience more. I never truly achieved the same level of experience and engagement with the manual. Perhaps another driver could and it's down to how you use the car, but for me it will be PDK again next.
here's my opinion.....I find shifting through the gears on the manual 7 speed manual nothing but pleasurable it feels as though it's being sucked into gear with a slick rifle bolt action and it has a nice weighty feel.....unlike my notchy RS gear change ( I must get the cup cables) I don't recognise any of the faults mentioned on this thread at all....I was advised that the GTS comes with a shorter shift as standard....which I wouldn't disagree with.....so up and down the box shifts never miss a gate.....the only thing I find with the 7 Speed is that say at 60mph in 7th there's a fair way to shift to hit the gate for 3rd so the old girl can raise her skirt and take to her heels....I guess this where the PDK comes into it's own......but for me its a small sacrifice for the pleasure of swapping the cogs manually and getting the satisfaction / involvement grin factor derived from this.....I guess you either get it or you don't
Does anyone have any experience with the Power Steering Plus on a GTS?
It lightens the steering at parking speeds and weights it up when the speed rises...
I have it on my Cayenne but then thats a totally different piece of cake.
I am looking at a GTS with it, does it take anything away?
New GTS owner here!
Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:17
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:19
Shiverman said:
Cheib said:
I think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
People will upgrade cos they want the next shiny new thing. Really not so different to some of us on here - we don't need to change our cars, we just like the chase and experience of new ones with the difference being most of us are looking at it from a certain level of purity (NA & manual) and the car being at the pinnacle of that series as a driving experience.Plus let's be honest, most of us want to do this and enjoy our 'hobby' whilst hopefully not losing our shirt in depreciation each time we change car. I'm sure if the cars we look at depreciated at the rate of say a BMW 6 series there would be a lot less owners on the log books of our P&J's. All just my opinion.
Although I wouldn't kick this out of bed which I saw on Twitter today
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-9...
porkgts said:
New GTS owner here!
Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Congrats. Is it the Tewkesbury car that appeared for sale around the 10-12 July!? Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:17
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:19
porkgts said:
New GTS owner here!
Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Good to know about the Power steering plus - thank you...Having had a few 911s in the past I was contemplating ordering a new 991.2 to my spec. However after driving the car two or three times in various configurations (extended test drives) that car did absolutely nothing for me. They just don't sound like 911's to me and felt more like an audi or bmw - so I had a go in a 991.1 GTS and that was it - love at first drive.... the noise is just incredible and the car feels so much more 'solid' and alive somehow than the 991.2 to me.
I ended up looking for a GTS for several months after that before finally getting one in the condition/spec I wanted, including the must have for me, the -20mm SPASM. I love looks of the car with the lower suspension and feel it improves the steering feel too. Car is GT silver with ducktail and glass roof with the GTS interior package plus quite a few other boxes ticked.
re: PDK - I love it, personally wouldn't consider manual on these cars - was only looking for PDK. PDK is real fun but also can be relaxed when in traffic and pottering (car is daily drive for me).
Power steering plus: Car had power steering plus but the dealer just disabled it for me as I don't like the feeling of it so if you're looking at a car that has it then don't fret just get it turned off.
Being realistic about depreciation, I realise the car is going to cost money but I can see these cars selling above 991.2 prices fairly quickly so hopefully it won't be too bad.
I think prices of GTS have already risen slightly from where they were 12 months ago looking at the latest cars in the network and when I consider I need the rear seats for my child then I don't know what else I would buy.
This car feels like a real keeper.... I used to always want the latest model just because it was new and the latest thing and they were usually better - this time it's different!
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:17
Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 10th August 19:19
I'm not sure you will be losing much money to be honest, certainly in the short term. I think latest GT3 etc aside, the GTS's are a sensible buy in terms of head and heart purchase.
porkgts said:
Yes was from Tewkesbury. Were you after it too?
Yes, you tosser 
Only joking about tosser mate... saw it when I was on hols and thought I would wait till return (in a couple of days) then ring my OPC that I bought my GT4 from to offer it back to them first... then go sniff this GT-silver GTS out. It sold that quick it I don't think Tewkesbury managed to upload the pics? Great spec, and VERY well priced (a good £5k too cheap compared to everything else, with similar spec). Loverly car mate - enjoy!
Phooey said:
Yes, you tosser
Only joking about tosser mate... saw it when I was on hols and thought I would wait till return (in a couple of days) then ring my OPC that I bought my GT4 from to offer it back to them first... then go sniff this GT-silver GTS out. It sold that quick it I don't think Tewkesbury managed to upload the pics? Great spec, and VERY well priced (a good £5k too cheap compared to everything else, with similar spec). Loverly car mate - enjoy!
Sorry about that!... That's funny as I was on holiday too when I saw it advertised and picked it up the day after I got back!! I was also going to wait until I got back but bought it over the phone when abroad subject to it being as described (it was mint only had just over 2k miles on it) I'd already missed out on a couple of cars before so was pleased to secure this one and think I've bought at a good price. I wasn't sure about the GT Silver (I was looking for Carmine originally) but when I saw it in the metal it looked awesome with the black details, the ducktail and the glass roof (don't think GT silver photographs anywhere near as good as it looks in real life)...Only joking about tosser mate... saw it when I was on hols and thought I would wait till return (in a couple of days) then ring my OPC that I bought my GT4 from to offer it back to them first... then go sniff this GT-silver GTS out. It sold that quick it I don't think Tewkesbury managed to upload the pics? Great spec, and VERY well priced (a good £5k too cheap compared to everything else, with similar spec). Loverly car mate - enjoy!
Good luck with your hunt....
porkgts said:
Sorry about that!... That's funny as I was on holiday too when I saw it advertised and picked it up the day after I got back!! I was also going to wait until I got back but bought it over the phone when abroad subject to it being as described (it was mint only had just over 2k miles on it) I'd already missed out on a couple of cars before so was pleased to secure this one and think I've bought at a good price. I wasn't sure about the GT Silver (I was looking for Carmine originally) but when I saw it in the metal it looked awesome with the black details, the ducktail and the glass roof (don't think GT silver photographs anywhere near as good as it looks in real life)...
Good luck with your hunt....
Gt is a superb siler. So names because its the silver you got on the Carrera GT.Good luck with your hunt....
Nice car, enjoy! Whats the spec? Is that PDK?
porkgts said:
Sorry about that!... That's funny as I was on holiday too when I saw it advertised and picked it up the day after I got back!! I was also going to wait until I got back but bought it over the phone when abroad subject to it being as described (it was mint only had just over 2k miles on it) I'd already missed out on a couple of cars before so was pleased to secure this one and think I've bought at a good price. I wasn't sure about the GT Silver (I was looking for Carmine originally) but when I saw it in the metal it looked awesome with the black details, the ducktail and the glass roof (don't think GT silver photographs anywhere near as good as it looks in real life)...
Good luck with your hunt....
Cheers mate. I'm not specifically looking for one, BUT would have one in the right spec at the right price - Ducktail, lowered suspension, etc etc (as per Tewkesbury car). Looking at 991 turbo-S too, but probably bit more than I want to spend atm.Good luck with your hunt....
Phooey said:
Cheers mate. I'm not specifically looking for one, BUT would have one in the right spec at the right price - Ducktail, lowered suspension, etc etc (as per Tewkesbury car). Looking at 991 turbo-S too, but probably bit more than I want to spend atm.
What do you think the Turbo S will be like for depreciation?Cheib said:
Shiverman said:
Cheib said:
I think the 991.1 GTS will be a great car to own in the long term. Not sure how much the 991.2 will make people sell. So many people rave about the exhaust/engine note in the 991.1 I just don't see why you'd change for an updated PCM etc but a backward step in terms of engine if you're an enthusiast.
People will upgrade cos they want the next shiny new thing. Really not so different to some of us on here - we don't need to change our cars, we just like the chase and experience of new ones with the difference being most of us are looking at it from a certain level of purity (NA & manual) and the car being at the pinnacle of that series as a driving experience.Plus let's be honest, most of us want to do this and enjoy our 'hobby' whilst hopefully not losing our shirt in depreciation each time we change car. I'm sure if the cars we look at depreciated at the rate of say a BMW 6 series there would be a lot less owners on the log books of our P&J's. All just my opinion.
Although I wouldn't kick this out of bed which I saw on Twitter today
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/porsche-9...
silver calipers would look so much better
Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 10th August 21:30
For the money i would get a GT silver or Jet black 991 turbo s,easier to source,much better value and a ballistic missile by all accounts which i'm currently considering and also bombproof.Also looking at past versions strong values,when i was a kid the picture i had posted on my bedroom wall was a black 911 turbo.
The problem with all Porsche values is they're distorted with all the optional extras with the exception of the 991 turbo s where everything was standard even PCCB's and GT silver paint !.
The problem with all Porsche values is they're distorted with all the optional extras with the exception of the 991 turbo s where everything was standard even PCCB's and GT silver paint !.
Edited by Taffy66 on Thursday 11th August 10:22
Edited by Taffy66 on Thursday 11th August 10:27
A turbo s at the same age/mileage is a good 30-40k more. Not sure it's the same sort of car either, yes it's blisteringly fast but not sure it's as much fun? I've had a go in turbos before (not the latest turbo s) but I always got out thinking wow that was fast but a little missing in the emotional side. The thing with Porsche is there's a car for every type of buyer so it's personal as to what you like. I just think it's sad the NA cars are no more
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