991 GTS Must haves

991 GTS Must haves

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porkgts

112 posts

91 months

Thursday 11th August 2016
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Fokker said:
Another question considering the title of this thread, what about PDCC - Dynamic Chassis Control.

Is it a case of if the car has this option, you can switch it off?
No it can't be switched off, I believe it's always working. i think it makes the car handle virtually flat, but you lose a little of the feeling and although it may make the car quicker I personally didn't like it. I found the -20mm spasm the best suspension for me

Bystander1978

154 posts

95 months

Thursday 11th August 2016
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Porkgts you able to post any pics of the recent purchase? Glad to hear such good experience

m88ony

337 posts

100 months

Thursday 11th August 2016
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porkgts said:
A turbo s at the same age/mileage is a good 30-40k more. Not sure it's the same sort of car either, yes it's blisteringly fast but not sure it's as much fun? I've had a go in turbos before (not the latest turbo s) but I always got out thinking wow that was fast but a little missing in the emotional side. The thing with Porsche is there's a car for every type of buyer so it's personal as to what you like. I just think it's sad the NA cars are no more
Turbo S is holding its money exceptionally well.

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Thursday 11th August 2016
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porkgts said:
No it can't be switched off, I believe it's always working. i think it makes the car handle virtually flat, but you lose a little of the feeling and although it may make the car quicker I personally didn't like it. I found the -20mm spasm the best suspension for me
Thanks for the info. There is a button on the centre console for this so what does that do if it can't be switched off?

porkgts

112 posts

91 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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Fokker said:
Thanks for the info. There is a button on the centre console for this so what does that do if it can't be switched off?
It just puts the dampers in sport setting the same as the pasm sport button I think. PDCC didn't used to written on the button on earlier cars (just used to show the damper graphic the same as a non pdcc car) but it is on later cars. I'm pretty sure you can't turn it off, just go between normal and sport and the PDCC is working all the time in both settings.

One thing I've noticed is that the sport setting in the pasm dampers is actually usuable on the road now. I still use normal 99% of the time and when you select sport plus it automatically put the dampers to sport as well so I usually end up pressing sport plus then the dampers back to normal.

On my old 997 the sport dampers were just to crashy for any road use really.

WizzBang

297 posts

105 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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porkgts said:
Fokker said:
Thanks for the info. There is a button on the centre console for this so what does that do if it can't be switched off?
PDCC didn't used to written on the button on earlier cars (just used to show the damper graphic the same as a non pdcc car) but it is on later cars. .
Porkgts is correct - it's bloody confusing. The button with PDCC on it does nothing with respect to PDCC. It just switches dampers from normal to sport as it would do in any non-PDCC car, regardless of whether PASM or SPASM equipped. I've driven 991 GTSs with and without PDCC. There is a little difference in feel on the road but I can't say one felt better than the other. Maybe different on track; perhaps someone with track experience can chime in?

All 991 GTS come with either the -10mm PASM or the -20mm SPASM which was a £500 odd option. I spent some time considering whether to go for the extra 1cm lowering that comes with SPASM. Discussed this at length with a pro from the PEC Silverstone who drives both day in, day out. His advice, which I went with, was to stick with -10mm PASM for road use. Having now lived with -10cm PASM for 7,000 miles and grounded the underside on relatively modest driveway inclines, I'm glad I've got the 1cm advantage of over SPASM - plus the benefit of more compliant springs to deal with potholes. I never think when I'm driving, 'well what I could do with right now is some more harshness'.

But, a SPASM car has a slightly meaner stance than a PASM car which in turn looks meaner that non-PASM - and you can't get a GTS in non-PASM. Mean-looking is good in my book.

I'd normally say ask your OPC for a drive in both but that may be difficult: the new 991.2 has no GTS (atm) and only comes in standard or SPASM flavours - there's no PASM option from what I can see.


WizzBang

297 posts

105 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Cheib said:
Fokker said:
Interesting data here for the GTS manual 991 if i am reading it correctly? The graph shows that lots more Manual cars were registered towards the end of its life than at the beginning or in the middle.
I wonder who much of this was due to the 911R manual effect plus signs that these could be the last of the manual non turbo cars? It jumps from Q1 2015

Any thoughts?

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...
I believe those numbers are cumlative, click on New Registrations tab

https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/porsche_911_...

There are approximately 40 manual 991 GTS's in the country based on that which is about 10% of total cars I believe. There's a better DVLA site where you can get a better breakdown which someone in PH has posted before (naturally!).
The 'Tax/SORN' tab seems to combine both the 2011 997 and the 2015 991 variants. Wheres the 'New Registrations' tab shows the split between the 2 variants more clearly. Looks like only half the number of manual 991 GTS compared to 997 GTS.

porkgts

112 posts

91 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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WizzBang said:
Porkgts is correct - it's bloody confusing. The button with PDCC on it does nothing with respect to PDCC. It just switches dampers from normal to sport as it would do in any non-PDCC car, regardless of whether PASM or SPASM equipped. I've driven 991 GTSs with and without PDCC. There is a little difference in feel on the road but I can't say one felt better than the other. Maybe different on track; perhaps someone with track experience can chime in?

All 991 GTS come with either the -10mm PASM or the -20mm SPASM which was a £500 odd option. I spent some time considering whether to go for the extra 1cm lowering that comes with SPASM. Discussed this at length with a pro from the PEC Silverstone who drives both day in, day out. His advice, which I went with, was to stick with -10mm PASM for road use. Having now lived with -10cm PASM for 7,000 miles and grounded the underside on relatively modest driveway inclines, I'm glad I've got the 1cm advantage of over SPASM - plus the benefit of more compliant springs to deal with potholes. I never think when I'm driving, 'well what I could do with right now is some more harshness'.

But, a SPASM car has a slightly meaner stance than a PASM car which in turn looks meaner that non-PASM - and you can't get a GTS in non-PASM. Mean-looking is good in my book.

I'd normally say ask your OPC for a drive in both but that may be difficult: the new 991.2 has no GTS (atm) and only comes in standard or SPASM flavours - there's no PASM option from what I can see.
You really can't go wrong with either option.

I just love the look of the car with the -20mm, the wheels just sit so tightly in the arches and the whole car looks a little meaner. I'm not sure how but the steering also feels a little sweeter and more hydraulic like, felt closer to 997 IMO. I haven't noticed any extra 'harshness', in fact I would describe the car as very compliant and I haven't had any problems with scraping the front. Just go slow and take your time over sleeping policemen and all fine. Much better than the 997 gt3 I had and that had a lift but was a pain having to remember to raise the front everytime.

As you said probably best to test drive as its a personal thing

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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Just looked at that 991 GTS in Swindon - the 4 GTS Manual in Sapphire blue..
All the discs are in need of replacement, especially the fronts as they are badly grooved.
This all suggests that its had a very hard 4000 miles at the PEC experience at Silverstone being an ex Porsche car.

Still a nice car but not for me... Apparently a trader has offered them close to the 89900 they are asking so it'll be sold soon.

To me, that car isn't worth 90k.



m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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Discs in 4k miles....blimey!!!

GT3-RS

1,085 posts

218 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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PDCC.......electronically adjusts the stiffness of the ARB's in conjunction with the active Engine mounts.....without the PDCC on I can notice a slight roll in fast tight corners.....with it on it doesn't.....is it worth the money.....only you will be able to tell.......you can have the Sport plus on which activates all settings but then you can turn off the PDCC which will only deactivate the electronically adjustable ARB's.....it's an ok tool for the track

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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GT3-RS said:
PDCC.......electronically adjusts the stiffness of the ARB's in conjunction with the active Engine mounts.....without the PDCC on I can notice a slight roll in fast tight corners.....with it on it doesn't.....is it worth the money.....only you will be able to tell.......you can have the Sport plus on which activates all settings but then you can turn off the PDCC which will only deactivate the electronically adjustable ARB's.....it's an ok tool for the track
So you can turn PDCC off then??? Some above comments say you can't...

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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Does anyone have a link to a GTS 991 online brochure?

I'm looking for a list of standard features

m33ufo

4,959 posts

230 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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Fokker said:
Does anyone have a link to a GTS 991 online brochure?

I'm looking for a list of standard features
Try this...

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...



GT3-RS

1,085 posts

218 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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Fokker said:
So you can turn PDCC off then??? Some above comments say you can't...
put the car into sport plus the Sport plus, PDCC, Exhaust switch and the start stop all light up.....then press the PDCC button OFF (think about it...that's why there's a button).....voila.....all the sport plusness (Extra revs, Suspension etc.) but no active ARB Stiffening.....it's pretty much as the exhaust you can have Sport Plus but you can turn the exhaust to quiet if you want........the systems are fairly adaptive to what you want up to a point.......

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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GT3-RS said:
put the car into sport plus the Sport plus, PDCC, Exhaust switch and the start stop all light up.....then press the PDCC button OFF (think about it...that's why there's a button).....voila.....all the sport plusness (Extra revs, Suspension etc.) but no active ARB Stiffening.....it's pretty much as the exhaust you can have Sport Plus but you can turn the exhaust to quiet if you want........the systems are fairly adaptive to what you want up to a point.......
Thats great to know, thanks

m88ony

337 posts

100 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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Fokker said:
Just looked at that 991 GTS in Swindon - the 4 GTS Manual in Sapphire blue..
All the discs are in need of replacement, especially the fronts as they are badly grooved.
This all suggests that its had a very hard 4000 miles at the PEC experience at Silverstone being an ex Porsche car.

Still a nice car but not for me... Apparently a trader has offered them close to the 89900 they are asking so it'll be sold soon.

To me, that car isn't worth 90k.
Surprised the OPC have not replaced the disks.

Fokker

3,460 posts

221 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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m33ufo said:
Thats what i wanted! Thanks

tuffer

8,849 posts

266 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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Fokker said:
Just looked at that 991 GTS in Swindon - the 4 GTS Manual in Sapphire blue..
All the discs are in need of replacement, especially the fronts as they are badly grooved.
This all suggests that its had a very hard 4000 miles at the PEC experience at Silverstone being an ex Porsche car.

Still a nice car but not for me... Apparently a trader has offered them close to the 89900 they are asking so it'll be sold soon.

To me, that car isn't worth 90k.
I have an Agate Grey one, bought from Swindon in November last year, GTS, PDK sunroof, colour coded skirts etc. They dropped me a line yesterday asking if I was interested in selling it......
Maybe.

porkgts

112 posts

91 months

Wednesday 17th August 2016
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GT3-RS said:
put the car into sport plus the Sport plus, PDCC, Exhaust switch and the start stop all light up.....then press the PDCC button OFF (think about it...that's why there's a button).....voila.....all the sport plusness (Extra revs, Suspension etc.) but no active ARB Stiffening.....it's pretty much as the exhaust you can have Sport Plus but you can turn the exhaust to quiet if you want........the systems are fairly adaptive to what you want up to a point.......
Think all you're doing is putting the dampers back into normal mode, PDCC is still active.

The button isn't to turn it off it's to turn the dampers to sport (firmer) mode, when the button is 'off' the dampers are in normal mode. The switch is confusing as it's labeled PDCC but it's not an on/off switch as far as I know. The button works exactly the same as the as the pasm damper button on a car without PDCC but I'm pretty sure PDCC is active all the time - it's simply a switch between normal damper stiffness and sport dampers which are firmer.

Edited by porkgts on Wednesday 17th August 11:40