991 GTS Must haves
Discussion
Looks good.
1. I would ad the £36 smoking package to tidy up the centre console
2. I would add carbon door sill guards to match the carbon of the GTS Interior package
3. I would add the rear parking camera
4. Sun visors in alcantara would be a nice addition
Finally. consider the PDCC -20mm suspension and rear wheel steer options unless you have strong feelings about not having them, although they are expensive
1. I would ad the £36 smoking package to tidy up the centre console
2. I would add carbon door sill guards to match the carbon of the GTS Interior package
3. I would add the rear parking camera
4. Sun visors in alcantara would be a nice addition
Finally. consider the PDCC -20mm suspension and rear wheel steer options unless you have strong feelings about not having them, although they are expensive
http://www.porsche-code.com/PHR416M3
Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Edited by Budflicker on Friday 24th February 20:07
Budflicker said:
Ok , with some serious man maths and a small equity release loan in a property would see me being able to get into one of these. I've specced up what I fancy on the Porsche code below, anybody fancy having a look through and checking if I've missed some things that I really should be ticking on the option list?
http://www.porsche-code.com/PHN88K99
I'd be appreciative of any feedback.
This would be a lifetime dream purchase and I'd want to get it right.
Nice, similar to mine, but I added LEDs ..http://www.porsche-code.com/PHN88K99
I'd be appreciative of any feedback.
This would be a lifetime dream purchase and I'd want to get it right.
Budflicker said:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PHPYPR64
Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Discount...lolUpdated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Budflicker said:
Why not, it's a standard production car, not a GT3 or special edition?
You know the one that anyone can walk in and actually get one.
I was simply told they can sell this years allocation 3 fold?You know the one that anyone can walk in and actually get one.
But I hope u have some success
Edited by B1ggest on Friday 24th February 20:20
Budflicker said:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PHR416M3
Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
I wouldn't hold your breath on discount, I was offered £500.00 but managed to stretch this to £1500.00, but I feel this was much more due to a square up a low trade in offer on my C4S and because I have bought cars from them previously...Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Edited by Budflicker on Friday 24th February 20:07
Fait do's regards discount but if you don't ask you won't get as they say.
Left field option is save £45k and get this
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Left field option is save £45k and get this
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Budflicker said:
http://www.porsche-code.com/PHR416M3
Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Beware of falling into the depths of the Porsche confounderater!,You have to exercise self restraint and not treat it like the proverbial christmas box of chocolates sitting there innocently tempting you to open the box every five minutes.I should know as i've fallen into this trap many times and watched as my meagre bank balance is slowly but surely eroded.Updated code, added the black Led lights and smokers package, oh and illuminated carbon sills.
What kind of discount of the list price shown could I expect to haggle on ?
Edited by Budflicker on Friday 24th February 20:07
I thought your first code was a wise one and nearly identical to mine except mine is GT silver.Imho you have chosen the most appealing and lightest variant at 1450kg (Targa 4GTS 1605kg) and the best colour bar none.The glass roof is a very popular option but is expensive, compromises torsional rigidity,raises Cog and is heavy with the additional bracing required.
The only small differences in mine is i have painted sills and alcantara sunvisors which are nice.The only option i'm still racking my brain over is the Rear axle steering which my salesguy doesn't like and he has driven it at Silverstone but I R Evans on here swears by it and he knows what he's talking about.
I had a go in a 991.2 with the RWS. I'm not sure if there was something wrong with that car but it felt very strange to me and I didn't like it. The car felt like it was going to swap ends very briefly when turning into fast corners and even when accelerating in a straight line it felt like the car was 'twisting' sometimes. Hard to describe but I found it very unsettling. Might have been the tracking out or something but it was a brand new car. A few months before this I had a 991.2 cab for a weekend and I don't know if this had RWS but I had a feeling of the car doing a squirm for a split second as you turned into a fast corner. Not sure what that was all about.
I've also driven PDCC cars but prefer the more natural suspension. My car has -20mm which means it's stiff so you don't really get much roll but it feels very natural and you can tell how hard you're leaning on it whereas PDCC feels a bit artificial to me.
These two options would confuse me the most if speccing a new car.
Love the -20mm, not crashy just makes the car feel more alive and cart like plus the wheels/tyres sit right up in the arches which really does it for me looks wise. Also no big problems with sleeping policemen, ramps etc,
I've also driven PDCC cars but prefer the more natural suspension. My car has -20mm which means it's stiff so you don't really get much roll but it feels very natural and you can tell how hard you're leaning on it whereas PDCC feels a bit artificial to me.
These two options would confuse me the most if speccing a new car.
Love the -20mm, not crashy just makes the car feel more alive and cart like plus the wheels/tyres sit right up in the arches which really does it for me looks wise. Also no big problems with sleeping policemen, ramps etc,
dvshannow said:
Kinda thinking should have gone for rws reading what those who have had it here are saying, maybe better than front axle lift. For a mid apr build think spec can still be changed?
In my experience, RWS makes a significant and positive difference to the handling of a 991.I have a garage with a particularly steep approach angle. 991 GT3/GT3RS cannot get in or out without axle lift. 991 GTS or Turbo get in and out fine without axle lift. So for the 991.2 GTS I have not added it. Unless you live somewhere with an extremely steep entrance, I wouldn't bother - and would spend the money on RWS. If you're quick, I'd imagine you can still change your spec.
porkgts said:
I had a go in a 991.2 with the RWS. I'm not sure if there was something wrong with that car but it felt very strange to me and I didn't like it. The car felt like it was going to swap ends very briefly when turning into fast corners and even when accelerating in a straight line it felt like the car was 'twisting' sometimes. Hard to describe but I found it very unsettling. Might have been the tracking out or something but it was a brand new car. A few months before this I had a 991.2 cab for a weekend and I don't know if this had RWS but I had a feeling of the car doing a squirm for a split second as you turned into a fast corner. Not sure what that was all about.
I've also driven PDCC cars but prefer the more natural suspension. My car has -20mm which means it's stiff so you don't really get much roll but it feels very natural and you can tell how hard you're leaning on it whereas PDCC feels a bit artificial to me.
These two options would confuse me the most if speccing a new car.
Love the -20mm, not crashy just makes the car feel more alive and cart like plus the wheels/tyres sit right up in the arches which really does it for me looks wise. Also no big problems with sleeping policemen, ramps etc,
This is exactly the type of response i'm looking for and mirrors the sentiments of my highly respected salesguy to the last detail.However i expect prompt counteractive opinions on this most divisive option from other equally articulated Pistonheaders.I've also driven PDCC cars but prefer the more natural suspension. My car has -20mm which means it's stiff so you don't really get much roll but it feels very natural and you can tell how hard you're leaning on it whereas PDCC feels a bit artificial to me.
These two options would confuse me the most if speccing a new car.
Love the -20mm, not crashy just makes the car feel more alive and cart like plus the wheels/tyres sit right up in the arches which really does it for me looks wise. Also no big problems with sleeping policemen, ramps etc,
Thankyou Porkgts for that frank incisive review.
IREvans said:
In my experience, RWS makes a significant and positive difference to the handling of a 991.
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep my shaking hands off the Porsche chocolate box.Can you please Iwan give me a detailed account of how RWS alters the car compared to a non RWS car as i've no experience myself.I'm probably going to tick this box to satisfy my curiousty if nothing else but more info would be appreciated.Taffy66 said:
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep my shaking hands off the Porsche chocolate box.Can you please Iwan give me a detailed account of how RWS alters the car compared to a non RWS car as i've no experience myself.I'm probably going to tick this box to satisfy my curiousty if nothing else but more info would be appreciated.
Think you need to get a drive.... OPC should have 991.2 with RWS I would have thought? Needs to be right though as if it was supposed to be how it was when I drove it then I didn't like it at all and it would ruin the car for me. Like I said though I'm not sure the car I drove had something wrong. My 991.1 GTS with -20mm feels rock solid and totally trustworthy, the car with RWS made me feel very uncomfortable in terms of it felt unpredictable.Taffy66 said:
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep my shaking hands off the Porsche chocolate box.Can you please Iwan give me a detailed account of how RWS alters the car compared to a non RWS car as i've no experience myself.I'm probably going to tick this box to satisfy my curiousty if nothing else but more info would be appreciated.
So Taffy66, open downhill hairpin right, good visibility of the exit, wet, off camber. Not an easy corner to be aggressive on, as when the car begins to move, it isn't easy to catch it..!991 3.8 GTS - As you push through the apex, you can feel the front wanting to push wide before the back begins to rotate. All quite manageable, but you're waiting for the car to move.
991.2 C2S (with RWS) - As you push into the corner, you can feel the car wanting to rotate sooner, and you can manage the car in a neutral drift (hardly any opposite lock) through the exit. In my experience, it's as if the RWS begins the rotation of the car, or at least begins the feeling of the car rotating.
It does make the car feel a little more 'loose', but the effect is really subtle. If you prefer your car to be ultra safe and planted, I'd guess the RWS is an option best left off. Although I really can't see why some people who've driven a car with RWS are convinced the car is unstable, and squirms around everywhere - it really isn't that significant a difference, unless of course they cant drive, and therefore the dynamics just don't suit them....?
It would actually be great to be able to switch it on and off to feel the effect it has.
A friend of mine has jut had an F12 TDF, he says the car feels way too twitchy, so I'm guessing the RWS mapping on that is a little more aggressive than on a 991.2..?
Hope that helps
IREvans said:
So Taffy66, open downhill hairpin right, good visibility of the exit, wet, off camber. Not an easy corner to be aggressive on, as when the car begins to move, it isn't easy to catch it..!
991 3.8 GTS - As you push through the apex, you can feel the front wanting to push wide before the back begins to rotate. All quite manageable, but you're waiting for the car to move.
991.2 C2S (with RWS) - As you push into the corner, you can feel the car wanting to rotate sooner, and you can manage the car in a neutral drift (hardly any opposite lock) through the exit. In my experience, it's as if the RWS begins the rotation of the car, or at least begins the feeling of the car rotating.
It does make the car feel a little more 'loose', but the effect is really subtle. If you prefer your car to be ultra safe and planted, I'd guess the RWS is an option best left off. Although I really can't see why some people who've driven a car with RWS are convinced the car is unstable, and squirms around everywhere - it really isn't that significant a difference, unless of course they cant drive, and therefore the dynamics just don't suit them....?
It would actually be great to be able to switch it on and off to feel the effect it has.
A friend of mine has jut had an F12 TDF, he says the car feels way too twitchy, so I'm guessing the RWS mapping on that is a little more aggressive than on a 991.2..?
Hope that helps
I can drive thanks! 991 3.8 GTS - As you push through the apex, you can feel the front wanting to push wide before the back begins to rotate. All quite manageable, but you're waiting for the car to move.
991.2 C2S (with RWS) - As you push into the corner, you can feel the car wanting to rotate sooner, and you can manage the car in a neutral drift (hardly any opposite lock) through the exit. In my experience, it's as if the RWS begins the rotation of the car, or at least begins the feeling of the car rotating.
It does make the car feel a little more 'loose', but the effect is really subtle. If you prefer your car to be ultra safe and planted, I'd guess the RWS is an option best left off. Although I really can't see why some people who've driven a car with RWS are convinced the car is unstable, and squirms around everywhere - it really isn't that significant a difference, unless of course they cant drive, and therefore the dynamics just don't suit them....?
It would actually be great to be able to switch it on and off to feel the effect it has.
A friend of mine has jut had an F12 TDF, he says the car feels way too twitchy, so I'm guessing the RWS mapping on that is a little more aggressive than on a 991.2..?
Hope that helps
Ecosse79 said:
Hi all. I have been keeping a look out for a 991 GTS/1 with manual gearbox, but there doesn't seem to be any out there for sale. Anyone know where I could find one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-991/1-owner-manual-991-gts-supplied-with-all-the-correct-factory-options-great-spec-and-outstanding-condition-throughout/6747454http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Ecosse79 said:
Hi all. I have been keeping a look out for a 991 GTS/1 with manual gearbox, but there doesn't seem to be any out there for sale. Anyone know where I could find one?
Check out the one at JZM. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now but seems to have most of the must have options and looks great in white. Mattf93 at Top555 had one for sale but I think that one has gone now.http://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Por...
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