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monthefish said:
I wasn't saying that my car was a better car than a GT2 - I was saying it was better for my circumstances and just listed the reasons why.
Well actually, that's exactly what you said:monthefish said:
...it was a far better car than an actual GT2 (back seats meant I could use it to take the family, 4wd meant it was quicker than a GT2 95% of the time, and the fact it wasn't a GT2 meant I could use it and not worry about devaluing my investment).
I thought it was a mildly offensive statement when reading it, and i don't even own a GT2.. lol.
fredt said:
Looks great! Never understood the fetish about keeping your car 100% standard, just boring.
When I get round to it I will do something similar but going the other way, I'm going to rip the cage out of my GT2 and put seats in the back so I can use it a bit more (kids).
Top effort!
Well I'm in the market for a cage, is your GT2 a 997? If so let me know if you do that. Shame as I sold all of my back seat and seatbelt set up, we could have done a trade. When I get round to it I will do something similar but going the other way, I'm going to rip the cage out of my GT2 and put seats in the back so I can use it a bit more (kids).
Top effort!
Digga said:
^This. And then look at the value of 'replica' (recreation, whatever the f
k anyone fussy enough to argue wants to call it) 993 GT2s. Granted, there's a much smaller market, but it is still a 'thing' that other people can appreciate and might want to buy into. All that value nonsense aside, this is as much about the journey of creation as the creation itself, and of the owner's stamp being made. I do get it.
Yes I think the more expensive and exlusive the originals become the replicas do have value for a smaller but keen market. I have no interest in that market however as mine is a keeper, so as long as I can afford to own it, it will stay with me.k anyone fussy enough to argue wants to call it) 993 GT2s. Granted, there's a much smaller market, but it is still a 'thing' that other people can appreciate and might want to buy into. All that value nonsense aside, this is as much about the journey of creation as the creation itself, and of the owner's stamp being made. I do get it.And they way prices are now for originals you never see them on the road. I've been a big fan for years and I've only seen 2 and that was at Porsche parked outside and once at Tech9. So if you see a black one on the road it could well be me!
monthefish said:
Of course it doesn't. My car was just a better looking turbo. Nothing more. If I'd wanted an actual GT2, I would have bought one
Oh, I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn't being overly sensitive in the least, I just thought your post was BS, and you appeared to be saying your modified Turbo was better than a genuine GT2. You're now saying that's not what you were trying to say, even though it's exactly what you did say ... Perhaps just a poorly written post ? Or maybe a case of getting carried away and believing your own hype ....
But for the avoidance of doubt, I'll repeat what I said in my previous post, I have no issue with reps/tributes/evocations whatsoever. On the contrary, I'll most likely be heading down that route with my next car. But rest assured when I've built it I won't be seeking to justify it or claim it's better than the genuine article.
The OP's project is clearly a labour of love that makes no sense at all financially, but clearly rewards him with a huge amount of pleasure. Many won't get that with a project such as this. But often the journey is just as enjoyable (or moreso) than the holiday itself.
Slippydiff said:
...when I've built it I won't be seeking to justify it or claim it's better than the genuine article...
Here's the thing though. If someone's personal preference, for whatever reason, is for as car which looks like a GT2, perhaps has even greater power output than a GT2 but (for whatever reason) they also want 4WD, then there's another argument...Just being Devil's advocate.
many Replicas done well are FAR BETTER cars then the original in many aspects... only thing it will lack is the right #VIN and certain value... That said many replicas handle better, are faster, certain problem areas from original cars are addressed, have a better stance, more reliable (talking a new freshened up replica air cooler vs a 30 year old car)...
In general if you want collector cars the originals can't be beat if you can afford them... but make no mistake a replica done well in many cases can be a better drivers car overall then the real thing; value aside.
I love them both...
Nice project here OP, carry on and keep us updated..
In general if you want collector cars the originals can't be beat if you can afford them... but make no mistake a replica done well in many cases can be a better drivers car overall then the real thing; value aside.
I love them both...
Nice project here OP, carry on and keep us updated..
I've had many discussions about the subject of replicas and I've heard many comments both positive and negative. Now I just focus on my own pleasure. This is a car for me, I know some get upset with the stickers and some don't like that 'it's just trying to be something it's not' etc. But it's just a car and I love the styling and I like the fact that I have the fun as if I was driving the real thing in the sense of occasion it gives if not the performance. But I'd say I have maybe 70-80% of that too.
My car has effectively gone down the same route Porsche went. They took a turbo, made it RWD, then removed weight. I have left the AWD but have removed weight; how much I don't know yet, but I'd guess about 40-50 kilos.
I certainly wouldn't argue that my car is better than the genuine article. But I would argue that it's better for me. I like the AWD system and would be scared of the RWD GT2/RS. In actual fact when I bought my car the GT2 was only about £25k more. I opted to get the Turbo as it had the AWD system (also if I had bought a GT2 I would have most likely sold it by now to cash in on the prices). So for me it's better in that sense. However is it a better car, no. It's already had power upgrades and next year I'm contemplating going all out on that front to better the performance of the standard GT2RS.
My aim moving forward is to make it handle as well and have same/more power. To give me as close as possible to the real thing with the 'safety' of the AWD system.
My car has effectively gone down the same route Porsche went. They took a turbo, made it RWD, then removed weight. I have left the AWD but have removed weight; how much I don't know yet, but I'd guess about 40-50 kilos.
I certainly wouldn't argue that my car is better than the genuine article. But I would argue that it's better for me. I like the AWD system and would be scared of the RWD GT2/RS. In actual fact when I bought my car the GT2 was only about £25k more. I opted to get the Turbo as it had the AWD system (also if I had bought a GT2 I would have most likely sold it by now to cash in on the prices). So for me it's better in that sense. However is it a better car, no. It's already had power upgrades and next year I'm contemplating going all out on that front to better the performance of the standard GT2RS.
My aim moving forward is to make it handle as well and have same/more power. To give me as close as possible to the real thing with the 'safety' of the AWD system.
Edited by Isysman on Tuesday 6th December 14:49
monthefish said:
Slippydiff said:
I'll most likely be heading down that route with my next car. But rest assured when I've built it I won't be seeking to justify it or claim it's better than the genuine article.
If it won't be better (for you), why do it?Isysman said:
I've had many discussions about the subject of replicas and I've heard many comments both positive and negative. Now I just focus on my own pleasure. This is a car for me, I know some get upset with the stickers and some don't like that 'it's just trying to be something it's not' etc. But it's just a car and I love the styling and I like the fact that I have the fun as if I was driving the real thing in the sense of occasion it gives if not the performance. But I'd say I have maybe 70-80% of that too.
My car has effectively gone down the same route Porsche went. They took a turbo, made it RWD, then removed weight. I have left the AWD but have removed weight; how much I don't know yet, but I'd guess about 40-50 kilos.
I certainly wouldn't argue that my car is better than the genuine article. But I would argue that it's better for me. I like the AWD system and would be scared of the RWD GT2/RS. In actual fact when I bought my car the GT2 was only about £25k more. I opted to get the Turbo as it had the AWD system (also if I had bought a GT2 I would have most likely sold it by now to cash in on the prices). So for me it's better in that sense. However is it a better car, no. It's already had power upgrades and next year I'm contemplating going all out on that front to better the performance of the standard GT2RS.
My aim moving forward is to make it handle as well and have same/more power. To give me as close as possible to the real thing with the 'safety' of the AWD system.
great approach and attitude, exactly what I would be doing if I had your budget bar the carbon bonnet which looks a little odd to me stillMy car has effectively gone down the same route Porsche went. They took a turbo, made it RWD, then removed weight. I have left the AWD but have removed weight; how much I don't know yet, but I'd guess about 40-50 kilos.
I certainly wouldn't argue that my car is better than the genuine article. But I would argue that it's better for me. I like the AWD system and would be scared of the RWD GT2/RS. In actual fact when I bought my car the GT2 was only about £25k more. I opted to get the Turbo as it had the AWD system (also if I had bought a GT2 I would have most likely sold it by now to cash in on the prices). So for me it's better in that sense. However is it a better car, no. It's already had power upgrades and next year I'm contemplating going all out on that front to better the performance of the standard GT2RS.
My aim moving forward is to make it handle as well and have same/more power. To give me as close as possible to the real thing with the 'safety' of the AWD system.
Isysman said:
I like it. And when you are going for identical looks you kind of have no choice! But I would have anyway as I think it looks good.
I totally get why you went carbon as you are building an homage to the RS and its the most obvious exterior difference from the GT2. But I am weird in that even if I owned an RS I would swap the bonnet for a painted one (and keep the carbon for resale) as I just don't like the look. And 2wd 911s don't need a lighter front end Gassing Station | 911/Carrera GT | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff