Harley Davidson

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SteellFJ

Original Poster:

793 posts

167 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Simply put: Why all the negativity?

The lower end models like the Sportster 883 (iron 883) are easily accessible and they sound AWESOME! what more can you want?


R8Steve

4,150 posts

175 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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SteellFJ said:
what more can you want?
A fast bike?
A bike that handles?
A bike that doesn't make you look like you've just walked out of the blue oyster bar?

wink


sc0tt

18,041 posts

201 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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SteellFJ said:
Simply put: Why all the negativity?

The lower end models like the Sportster 883 (iron 883) are easily accessible and they sound AWESOME! what more can you want?
Have you ridden one?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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SteellFJ said:
and they sound AWESOME!
The HDs I've heard on open pipes sound like a rapid succession of obnoxiously loud wet farts. About as far from awesome as it's possible to get, though they sound ok with a reasonable exhaust on them. Apart from that Steve has it nailed and the 883 in particular is a gutless boat anchor.

That said I do quite like the style of the V-Rod, and at least it has a reasonable amount of grunt.

SteellFJ

Original Poster:

793 posts

167 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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No not ridden one, nor any bike yet for that matter but one passing me at lunch got me thinking that the BB regulars are pretty much against them. I'm always in here looking at all your bikes (in jealous envy) and never really seen anything HD but a couple V-Rods.

I fancied one a while back and looked at the 883 then. Before realising my license dreams would have to be put on hold. If its a gutless bike it could be suitable for a first bike I thought?

I'd rather ride one of them with very little pace while I learn than die in a head on inferno with a road sign the first time I hit a patch of oil/diesel. 3 point turning to go round a mini roundabout seems a safer bet.

Steve Bass

10,193 posts

233 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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As a bike, they're woeful in terms of technology and engineering. Heritage my arse. lazy more like
As a brand they're , well, sad. When your business model is about the crap you can tack on to a bike to "personalise" it, that says it all really. And the American Thunder thing. It's sad. Really, really sad.
As a motorcycle, for me they completely miss the point. having a bike that can't go around corners is kind of like having Sky HD and a 11" B&W Telly. Classiscs excepted, it's the dynamics of a bike that really excite, the 3 dimensional aspects, the handling, the acceleration. Harleys. Noisy without any performance. At all..Why???
And finally, there's the HD "thang" No, you're not a baaaaad ass, you're not a 1%er. You're a sad middle aged middle management type who's naughtiest thing ever is overstaying a parking meter by 3 minutes and not 'fessing up to the Feds.
Patches are only acceptable on Cubs, Scouts and Girl Guides. Or Emergency Services. You're not. So don't.

Davel

8,982 posts

258 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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I tend to alternate between a Harley and then a BMW R1200GS.

Have had a Night Rod Special, A Fatbob and a Fatboy.

I like them personally and my next bike will probably be another Fatboy or Soft tail Slim.

You just have to be more choosy about the weather and you need to clean them more.

They can corner but, perhaps, not as well as other bikes.

Edited by Davel on Friday 18th March 19:10

Bluehawk

494 posts

166 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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R8Steve said:
A bike that handles?
Having test ridden a few of the newer models, I can safely say they are surprisingly agile!

spoodler

2,091 posts

155 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Well, the gay, middle manager, Sons of Anarchy wannabe in me just loves this one - I'm happy enough with 120m.p.h. tops and consistent 13 second quarters on a cheap to run old bike...

R8Steve

4,150 posts

175 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Bluehawk said:
R8Steve said:
A bike that handles?
Having test ridden a few of the newer models, I can safely say they are surprisingly agile!
Maybe it's just me but i thought they handled terribly. They bottom out far to easily, the brakes are too wooden and it just feels wrong having your feet out in front of you.

They do appeal to some though so i suppose they either are your type of thing or not.

They're not for me...although having said that, a blacked out V Rod would probably feature in my lottery win garage somewhere, it would be behind about 100 sports bikes though.

rat840771

2,023 posts

165 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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I was bored the other week and popped into Black Bear Harley, There is some nice kit in there, but the base model looked so cheap, the rear swing arm appeared to made of two cheese strings.

The Vrods do look good, but the whole leather chaps, tassels etc just doesn't do it for me. Ill stick to the sports bikes for now.



R8Steve said:
SteellFJ said:
what more can you want?
A fast bike?
A bike that handles?
A bike that doesn't make you look like you've just walked out of the blue oyster bar?

wink

TokyoRich

135 posts

181 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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I have had lots of bikes over the years but always had a soft spot for a Harley. I bought one recently (2012 Dyna Street Bob) and love it. Its just a cool bike.. OK, not as quick as the R1 I used to have.. so maybe I live longer..

andburg

7,286 posts

169 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Either you get them or you don't.

for me bikers come in 3 categories of desire
  • Speed
  • Freedom
  • Cost
Harleys only fit into the Freedom option and a particular niche of that. As a rule they don't get near the lean angle of a jap bike so through the corners nor do they make huge power or rev to infinity. Unlike some suggestions the 883 base is not slow, its just slow for a bike!

On an open road you can see just as much scenery as on a jap bike but it feels more of an event.

Chaps/Bumming/Tassles/Tache/Bandana/Waistcoat/Fat Wife are all optional not a requirement



Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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andburg said:
Either you get them or you don't.

for me bikers come in 3 categories of desire
  • Speed
  • Freedom
  • Cost
Harleys only fit into the Freedom option and a particular niche of that. As a rule they don't get near the lean angle of a jap bike so through the corners nor do they make huge power or rev to infinity. Unlike some suggestions the 883 base is not slow, its just slow for a bike!

On an open road you can see just as much scenery as on a jap bike but it feels more of an event.

Chaps/Bumming/Tassles/Tache/Bandana/Waistcoat/Fat Wife are all optional not a requirement
How does an HD give you more freedom than any other type of bike? The Ducati Diavel seems to offer a much better balance of power/handling and style, but does it give you less 'freedom'?

I can see how a big, lazy bike could be attractive in the same way as a big, lazy car when you have long distances on mostly straight roads, but in the UK sitting on motorways for miles on end is my idea of biking hell.

Edited by Mr2Mike on Friday 18th March 15:59

andburg

7,286 posts

169 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Mr2Mike said:
andburg said:
Either you get them or you don't.

for me bikers come in 3 categories of desire
  • Speed
  • Freedom
  • Cost
Harleys only fit into the Freedom option and a particular niche of that. As a rule they don't get near the lean angle of a jap bike so through the corners nor do they make huge power or rev to infinity. Unlike some suggestions the 883 base is not slow, its just slow for a bike!

On an open road you can see just as much scenery as on a jap bike but it feels more of an event.

Chaps/Bumming/Tassles/Tache/Bandana/Waistcoat/Fat Wife are all optional not a requirement
How does an HD give you more freedom than any other type of bike? The Ducati Diavel seems to offer a much better balance of power/handling and style, but does it give you less 'freedom'?
I never said it did?? confused

I'm sure I said people who buy Harleys aren't looking for speed or something cheap.



Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

221 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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i bought a 1990 1340 fxstc (stage1)with lag exhausts as my first big bike, it is heavy, slow in comparison, and fing loud, if I wear my Arseless leather chaps and leather waist coat I look like one on the village people.
I love it

crofty1984

15,858 posts

204 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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I test rode a 1200 "custom" a decade back. I thought it was loads of fun. /because they don't handle like a sportsbike, you really have to have them round corners, even at legal speeds, which I thought was loads of fun. Heavy clutch though.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

248 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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Victory and Indian do what Harley do much better, and generally for less money, with far better build quality.

Once they get their act together regarding the owners club and stuff to do, they'll really be onto it.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

255 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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andburg said:
I never said it did?? confused

I'm sure I said people who buy Harleys aren't looking for speed or something cheap.
Apologies, I must have misinterpreted your post. I still don't understand the freedom bit since it doesn't seem like an attribute that would sway someone's choice of bike.

I suppose fans of HD's (and other American iron) are primarily attracted to the image that the bikes project, which means nothing else really comes close.

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 18th March 2016
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