Still Undecided 991 Turbo S

Still Undecided 991 Turbo S

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AL001

831 posts

269 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I've been considering replacing my 997 TTS daily driver with a 570 or 650 but the biggest drawback is the impractical doors which seem to require a large amount of room to open, which could cause issues in many car parks. Doesn't matter how good a car is if you can't actually get into it!

Also the fact that is far less discrete than a 911 is a negative for daily use.

If you can discount the above issues of practicality and discretion, perhaps go with the McLaren.

ferdi p

1,519 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I had a 12C Spider, I currently have a 991T Cab whilst waiting for a 488...

I can drive the Turbo to work, in the rain, down the shops, etc etc. The 12C was sensational but it only came out rarely, the doors, attention & lack of storage made it a difficult car to use often (for me anyway)

I'd love to keep the 991 when the 488 comes (July) but can't (violin playing) smile

If I had to have 1 'special' car, it would be a 991T all day long. If I didn't then it would be a 650/570/488 & a daily for work/boring duties...


ChrisH370

58 posts

136 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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W8PMC said:
The engine & respective sound was the R8's tour de force but the cabin was very Audi (not always a bad thing but not as good for a Sports car). The focus in the 570S was all around the driver which neither the Porsche nor Audi are able to match. All 3 are epic cars but the McL felt to me the by far more focussed Sports/Super car.

Also don't forget that the 570S engine is basically a detuned 650/675 engine & at its core the same as the P1 but without the electric motor aspects.
I cant agree that the 570S focus is all around the driver when it comes to the low resolution displays, knobs for the Suspension and Engine settings, all very plasticky v's the new R8 cabin with high res. Virtual Cockpit display and MMI control and much nicer seats and trim, all far better quality, IMO.

I haven't driven one so cant comment further on the sports car like qualities, the reviews are positive.

Do you have a wide enough garage to open those doors, they said 50cm either side is all that's required!

You are looking for a long commute car as well as a sports (track) car aren't you?

W8PMC

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3,345 posts

237 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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ChrisH370 said:
I cant agree that the 570S focus is all around the driver when it comes to the low resolution displays, knobs for the Suspension and Engine settings, all very plasticky v's the new R8 cabin with high res. Virtual Cockpit display and MMI control and much nicer seats and trim, all far better quality, IMO.

I haven't driven one so cant comment further on the sports car like qualities, the reviews are positive.

Do you have a wide enough garage to open those doors, they said 50cm either side is all that's required!

You are looking for a long commute car as well as a sports (track) car aren't you?
I was refering to driver focus. On track or on a spirited drive, the gadgets really don't have a big part to play, however on a commute or more mundane drive they would. At the Millbrook event I didn't once interact with the IRIS system as that wasn't required. The driving position, the way the wheel felt in my hands as well as the paddles, the position of the pedals & the low seating position all offer a true sports car feel. The R8 & 991 compromise by offering less focus but more toys & luxury.

Correct, I need a car that can manage a fortnightly very long commute & the McL could perhaps become tiresome during that task.

TKH

395 posts

188 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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Hi Paul

hope we get out on a run soon - anyway

991 Turbo S - it is then

all year round usability copes well with rain,snow, mud and wet leaves
more luggage space 2 flight cases in boot + back seats for more if only 2 of you
more passenger space - seats are ok for shorties 5.8 or less
0-100 = 6 ish
unreal launch mode
not massively mileage sensitive
servicing relatively good value
Litchfield mapping to make it more bonkers

yes its design is not as dramatic as 570 or R8 but that can be an advantage if using daily

given its pissed down from October until errr yesterday or 6 months and you want to use daily 991 makes sense but a 991 is more a head over heart and i get that.

all 3 are great cars but each has its 'forte'

whatever you choose it will need some SCD exercise
Regards
Tim

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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Can we point and laugh at the fact the McL has a Nissan engine...? tongue out

hondansx

4,562 posts

224 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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The VRH engine was developed exclusively for racing use; not to be sniffed at. The R390 GT1 car used the the basis of the engine, so from that point of view the engine used in McLarens is no less exotic that the fabled Mezger. In fact, both Porsche and Nissan GT1 cars raced against each other at the same time.

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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Well, it seems to be a better choice than the Honda one, they've put in their F1 cars... Lol

ChrisH370

58 posts

136 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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hondansx said:
The VRH engine was developed exclusively for racing use; not to be sniffed at. The R390 GT1 car used the the basis of the engine, so from that point of view the engine used in McLarens is no less exotic that the fabled Mezger. In fact, both Porsche and Nissan GT1 cars raced against each other at the same time.
Having spoken to their Engineering Manager who is responsible for the engine and powertrain at the Millbrook event I think the 570S engine is a very impressive unit. As it has smaller turbos than the 650S it's transient response is better for road use and yet on that 1 mile straight it was so powerful with quick and smooth gear changes seeing over 160 -170 before the braking point.

W8PMC

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3,345 posts

237 months

Friday 15th April 2016
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TKH said:
Hi Paul

hope we get out on a run soon - anyway

991 Turbo S - it is then

all year round usability copes well with rain,snow, mud and wet leaves
more luggage space 2 flight cases in boot + back seats for more if only 2 of you
more passenger space - seats are ok for shorties 5.8 or less
0-100 = 6 ish
unreal launch mode
not massively mileage sensitive
servicing relatively good value
Litchfield mapping to make it more bonkers

yes its design is not as dramatic as 570 or R8 but that can be an advantage if using daily

given its pissed down from October until errr yesterday or 6 months and you want to use daily 991 makes sense but a 991 is more a head over heart and i get that.

all 3 are great cars but each has its 'forte'

whatever you choose it will need some SCD exercise
Regards
Tim
Likewise, need some cross country hooliganism (in a nice way).

All fully valid points & make perfect sense. Is a tough decision as the virtues of all 3 are very different but all are exceptional performers, however daily use is a key factor & as you say of the 3 the Turbo S kind of stands out.

Zanderman

1,090 posts

211 months

Monday 18th April 2016
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I am in a similar (ish) situation. I currently have a 991 C2S and love it but I would like something a little more 'special'. I am looking at 991 TurboS, McLaren 12C and a Ferrari California. A this point I have no idea what I will do but I will go and spend some time in each and see what feels like the right thing to do.

In the end I think a purchase of this nature needs to driven by what the heart wants, if you try and over think it and do the 'sensible' thing you will end up being dissapointed in some way (dissapointed being a relative term of course!) and they are all expensive mistakes to make. I have read your thread in the McLaren section and it strikes me you already know what you really want to do.

W8PMC

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3,345 posts

237 months

Monday 18th April 2016
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Zanderman said:
I am in a similar (ish) situation. I currently have a 991 C2S and love it but I would like something a little more 'special'. I am looking at 991 TurboS, McLaren 12C and a Ferrari California. A this point I have no idea what I will do but I will go and spend some time in each and see what feels like the right thing to do.

In the end I think a purchase of this nature needs to driven by what the heart wants, if you try and over think it and do the 'sensible' thing you will end up being dissapointed in some way (dissapointed being a relative term of course!) and they are all expensive mistakes to make. I have read your thread in the McLaren section and it strikes me you already know what you really want to do.
What's become clear is at this price point I'm finding it harder to commit. McL is the closest to a Supercar & it looks stunning, but as a daily driver I'm really not sure it could cope & £600 check ups every time I track it is a bit rich. The R8 sounded sublime but again although lower running costs could it offer up the overall experience of the Porsche?

Bottom line is I'm close to choosing the Turbo S but still hesitant as the other 2 were also epic at what they did.

SFO

5,162 posts

182 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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how about Vantage V12/V12S?

tuffer

8,849 posts

266 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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hondansx said:
I wouldn't get a new Turbo as they look poor value aganst a GT3
To be fair you do get a fair bit more in terms of technology for your money, if you look at a GT3 they are pretty spartan and you can soon bump the cost up adding in the must have options. The Turbo S needs very little adding to the list price to get a great spec car......A very different car than the GT3 agreed. If you took the Overs and Depreciation out of the equation then it is a very different picture in terms of value I think.

Shazbat

170 posts

136 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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W8PMC said:
What's become clear is at this price point I'm finding it harder to commit. McL is the closest to a Supercar & it looks stunning, but as a daily driver I'm really not sure it could cope & £600 check ups every time I track it is a bit rich. The R8 sounded sublime but again although lower running costs could it offer up the overall experience of the Porsche?

Bottom line is I'm close to choosing the Turbo S but still hesitant as the other 2 were also epic at what they did.
No, Look at me ! Look at me !

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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The old rationale for a Turbo purchase still stands.

The only niggle that would be in the back of my mind is the way it looks and its interior, in terms of all year ability and practicality it is peerless.

To buy a new Turbo S however I would want it to look better than it currently does, in its current state it just does not light my fires.


W8PMC

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3,345 posts

237 months

Tuesday 19th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Simply the fit & finish of the Porsche was considerably better than the McL. Panel gaps & ill fitting plastic trim were noticeable, not bad but not great. The IRIS system isn't anywhere near as good as the new PCM & the standard music system is a 4 speaker setup. These are not bad points but could lessen the enjoyment of a 250mile commute on the M6/A14 fortnightly. The £600 track day tax also doesn't offer up confidence in the product being as strong as one would like.

These are just small things that together could quickly remove the initial ownership glow.

Tony 1234

3,465 posts

226 months

Wednesday 20th April 2016
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W8PMC said:
Simply the fit & finish of the Porsche was considerably better than the McL. Panel gaps & ill fitting plastic trim were noticeable, not bad but not great. The IRIS system isn't anywhere near as good as the new PCM & the standard music system is a 4 speaker setup. These are not bad points but could lessen the enjoyment of a 250mile commute on the M6/A14 fortnightly. The £600 track day tax also doesn't offer up confidence in the product being as strong as one would like.

These are just small things that together could quickly remove the initial ownership glow.
Plus the servicing and yearly warranty costs at 4 years old, a Turbo S is a fraction of the running cost of a 570S IMO

W8PMC

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3,345 posts

237 months

Wednesday 20th April 2016
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Tony 1234 said:
Plus the servicing and yearly warranty costs at 4 years old, a Turbo S is a fraction of the running cost of a 570S IMO
To be honest it's unlikely i'd be keeping this car out of warranty so wouldn't be an issue, however you're correct that the servicing costs for the 570S are somewhat higher than the Turbo S as a simple 1st service (fluids only) is £1500 so i'd hate to think what a main service would cost. Also the nearest dealer to me is 50 miles away so somewhat of a ball ache for transport & more so if it needs to go in 8-10 times a year for this Tack day pre & post service.

Was close to a decision on the 570S being the choice for me but in the cold light of day & with some consideration of a sensible nature it's now in 3rd place. Bottom line is this wouldn't be a 3rd car, it would be my daily driver & i really don't think the 570S is as well suited to that job as i'd hoped. Weekend hooliganism & track days it excels but regular long commutes & usage around 15k miles per annum perhaps not.

s2000db

1,152 posts

152 months

Wednesday 20th April 2016
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Wise decision, I drove a 570S very recently, and while it would make a great track toy (why not buy a track car though??).

It was woefully short of refinement and everyday comfort items to make it a daily driver.. On top of that, the brakes are very wooden feeling with no modulation. Wouldn't swap my Turbo S for it if 95% of your driving is road based.. Unless you crave the attention of course ... Lol