Help on a 2005 997 Carrera S purchase
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griffter said:
9e 28 said:
The interior on that car looks like its covered double the stated mileage. Shouldn't be as worn as that.
Perhaps a London car - lots of getting in and out. Might also explain the early engine failure. 
JulianPH said:
Very nice car.JulianPH said:
Turbo looks good, for comparison RSJ have two Seal Grey tips for similar money.
JulianPH said:
If budget blown I think this is a fantastic buy. The whole car looks new. Note the condition of the interior for a 997 with over 70k miles. If you can buy it for £40k its good deal.http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/997...
anonymous said:
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I see your point. For road use cars having torque from 2000 rpm to 6500 rpm I find helpful as in the turbo. Its actually far easier to drive than the air-cooled cars apart from LWFW makes the clutch a tad grabby but you get used to it. When you get back in to your car you'll wonder if its engine is broken 
The GT, Spyder, R, RS models will continue to use NA engines so you can still get your super revvy 6 pot if you're invited to buy one by Porsche. Again for general use though I cannot see how you will ever very easily rev say a GT3 to 9000 RPM through 3rd and 4th gear on road to extract performance. Must be a very frustrating experience to drive a GT car especially GT3 on road IMO!
anonymous said:
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I think the issue is with na you have a lovely crescendo of noise and power which is exciting. Turbo installations can be like this take the F40 for example but on the whole you have very linear performance from modern turbos in almost any gear. In fact it makes little difference what gear you're in to make progress and then at the top end power just dies suddenly. My rev limiter is at 7000rpm but there is little point revving beyond 6350 rpm as power literally falls of a cliff. Throttle response on a turbo can obviously never be as crisp either but I've put a LWFW in which whilst much more noisy does help in this respect.Haven't tried a 718 but I like its styling and I hear Porsche have worked very hard to make its motor exciting with a crescendo at the top end. Ferrari have also apparently been reasonably successful with the 488. Maccas all just come across as fast and sterile bit like their chairman lol. Be interesting what you think when you have a go in these new Porsches.
I never even look at the turbo if off for a fun drive down my fave b road truth be told
Perhaps food for thought for OP?
I bought my manual 2005 997.1 CS2 last year (40K mileage) from a well known Indy who provides a 12 month labour and parts warranty and at the price I paid I have a car which brings smiles to my face every time I turn on the ignition. Lots of information on this site regarding engine woes but the fun, coupled with the warranty outweighs the published negatives.
Go to a good Indy and I'm sure you'll be looked after - in fact, and not that I'm biased in any way, think this model is superb value for money at todays current prices!
Go to a good Indy and I'm sure you'll be looked after - in fact, and not that I'm biased in any way, think this model is superb value for money at todays current prices!
JulianPH said:
Hi everyone
I usually lurk on the Aston Martin forum (as I have a DB9) but am looking for help here in purchasing an early 997 Carrera S for a mate who has always wanted one.
I've had 3 Porsche's myself (the Boxster when it was first launched and a couple of 996 Turbo's - I wish I had kept the last one looking at prices now!) but never been near the 997 Carrera S before.
As it is effectively a thank you present I don't want to spend too much money, but also don't want to give him something that could have problems.
I've looked at the two cars below which on the face of it look very tidy for their age, but should I be worried about the mileage (or anything else for that matter)?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
On the one hand an average of c. 8,000 a year seems pretty reasonable. But for an extra £6,500 there is another that has only done 29k:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
I would rather not spend this much, but what are your thoughts and is there anything else I should be aware of with these cars?
Many thanks!
Julian
I usually lurk on the Aston Martin forum (as I have a DB9) but am looking for help here in purchasing an early 997 Carrera S for a mate who has always wanted one.
I've had 3 Porsche's myself (the Boxster when it was first launched and a couple of 996 Turbo's - I wish I had kept the last one looking at prices now!) but never been near the 997 Carrera S before.
As it is effectively a thank you present I don't want to spend too much money, but also don't want to give him something that could have problems.
I've looked at the two cars below which on the face of it look very tidy for their age, but should I be worried about the mileage (or anything else for that matter)?
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
On the one hand an average of c. 8,000 a year seems pretty reasonable. But for an extra £6,500 there is another that has only done 29k:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
I would rather not spend this much, but what are your thoughts and is there anything else I should be aware of with these cars?
Many thanks!
Julian
Edited by mickk1 on Tuesday 19th April 09:40
Edited by mickk1 on Tuesday 19th April 09:42
I bought a 2006 997.1 C2S manual 2years ago at 40k. Now at 65k with no issues at all. Get it inspected and bore scoped for peace of mind, and forget about the scare mongers. Very much over hyped. If you buy into the scare stories then do some man maths: Pay addiotnal £10k plus for a Gen II (which are not as good to drive) or buy a Gen I with cash in hand in the unliely event that things go wrong. Pretty easy bet IMHO. In years to come, people will have forgotten about thes scare stories. Once upon a time 964s were no go due to engine problems and costs of general maintenance. Now look at them...
ELROR said:
I bought a 2006 997.1 C2S manual 2years ago at 40k. Now at 65k with no issues at all. Get it inspected and bore scoped for peace of mind, and forget about the scare mongers. Very much over hyped. If you buy into the scare stories then do some man maths: Pay addiotnal £10k plus for a Gen II (which are not as good to drive) or buy a Gen I with cash in hand in the unliely event that things go wrong. Pretty easy bet IMHO. In years to come, people will have forgotten about thes scare stories. Once upon a time 964s were no go due to engine problems and costs of general maintenance. Now look at them...
when I sell my 997.1 C2S I'll probably get it 'scoped to reassure the next buyer and add value. I expect to get more ££ with a private sale and a clean scope report.who did you get to do it and at what cost?
Reposting this guide on M96/M97 engine issues out of GT Porsche mag, as it's really useful for getting an overview OP.
JulianPH said:
Thanks everyone. Ended up going for a Gen 1 997 Carrera, black/black with turbo alloys and 55k on the clock - £27k.
Mate over the moon with it and I think a great choice to enter into the world of Porsche for him!
Now, I'm tempted to go for another Turbo for myself...
No revs over 3000 until the oil temp is 90+Mate over the moon with it and I think a great choice to enter into the world of Porsche for him!
Now, I'm tempted to go for another Turbo for myself...
No redline over revs (the ECU records them)
Annual oil change.
Enjoy!
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