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colinrob said:
Could anyone help me with the regulations of running a 5 tonne van
Do I need cpc
Do I need regular checks like 7.5 tonne
I know I need tachometer
What are the speed limits
and any other info will be really helpful
Thanks Colin
Think of running a 44t Scania, pretty much all the same regs & bureaucratic nonsense apply over 3.5t, daft for a 5t van, or indeed 3.5t + trailer, but that's the law.Do I need cpc
Do I need regular checks like 7.5 tonne
I know I need tachometer
What are the speed limits
and any other info will be really helpful
Thanks Colin
In order of yr questions-
Are a few exceptions, but generally yes.
Yes
Restricted 90kmh but 60mph by uk law, but eu rules overrule, single carriage way 50mph & no lane 3 for restricted trucks which will inc 5t unless it's really old van
Other info & perhaps most importantly=
O licence, you will need to research if you need restricted or standard licence (or if you are lucky & exempt) & all it entails, ie do operator transport manager cpc or hire in an external transport manager etc if for a standard licence.
https://www.gov.uk/being-a-goods-vehicle-operator/...
And
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/goods-v...
Edited by iguana on Wednesday 4th May 23:31
We face the same problem. We need good weight capacity rather than volume, but can't face the hassle of running bigger than 3.5T vans.
We've got two Movano 3.5T L2H2 as they seemed the best for weight capacity at about 1.5 tonnes.
(It's the same as a RenaultTraffic Master).
We've got two Movano 3.5T L2H2 as they seemed the best for weight capacity at about 1.5 tonnes.
(It's the same as a Renault
Edited by RicksAlfas on Thursday 5th May 15:31
red_slr said:
As others have said LGV "rules" basically kick in at 3501kg.
There is a bit more too it than that of course but unless you are doing something odd ball its generally a good idea to check into it very carefully.
If we leave the EU I guess we *might* see some kind of review.....?!
really ? given the carnage caused by 7.5 tonners and still being caused by hire 7.5s and horseboxes ... There is a bit more too it than that of course but unless you are doing something odd ball its generally a good idea to check into it very carefully.
If we leave the EU I guess we *might* see some kind of review.....?!
one of the reasons that the van hire places often make it hard to hire a 7.5tonner if you aren;t a business customers with Olicence etc
red_slr said:
I am talking about regs in general. EU DH regs for starters.
Not weights regs. I would also like to see a review of the EU regs around speed limiters. They set them way too low. We have one MAN that's 51. Its a joke.
what do you want in terms of driver's hours ? Not weights regs. I would also like to see a review of the EU regs around speed limiters. They set them way too low. We have one MAN that's 51. Its a joke.
the speed limiter standards are 90kph for most LGVs , 100kph for PCVs and some lighter LGVs
Limiters I would like to see them set at vMax = GB Speed national limit for MGW.
If not I want to see them ALL set at the vMax under EU regs. We have one as low as 82kmh...
Driver hours. I would like to see a general review.
I would have a list as long as my arm but a proper full review with ALL parts of the industry involved not just the big boys. Small, medium and large operators all giving their views. I would also like to see a full review of DCPC and DL regs.
If not I want to see them ALL set at the vMax under EU regs. We have one as low as 82kmh...
Driver hours. I would like to see a general review.
I would have a list as long as my arm but a proper full review with ALL parts of the industry involved not just the big boys. Small, medium and large operators all giving their views. I would also like to see a full review of DCPC and DL regs.
red_slr said:
Limiters I would like to see them set at vMax = GB Speed national limit for MGW.
If not I want to see them ALL set at the vMax under EU regs. We have one as low as 82kmh...
Driver hours. I would like to see a general review.
I would have a list as long as my arm but a proper full review with ALL parts of the industry involved not just the big boys. Small, medium and large operators all giving their views. I would also like to see a full review of DCPC and DL regs.
I can find no evidence to suggest there is any requirement in law for speed limiters to be set lower than 90 kph / 100 kph as appropriate If not I want to see them ALL set at the vMax under EU regs. We have one as low as 82kmh...
Driver hours. I would like to see a general review.
I would have a list as long as my arm but a proper full review with ALL parts of the industry involved not just the big boys. Small, medium and large operators all giving their views. I would also like to see a full review of DCPC and DL regs.
I would suggest that lower limiters applied by operators reflects a fuel efficiency policy of those operators.
red_slr said:
I am talking about regs in general. EU DH regs for starters.
Not weights regs. I would also like to see a review of the EU regs around speed limiters. They set them way too low. We have one MAN that's 51. Its a joke.
Can you not just get that sorted at tacho calibration time? I bought a truck/ well 6.5t so big van, drove it home a long way & was at 52mph, did my head in, tacho was near calibration so in it went & came out at 57/58 Not weights regs. I would also like to see a review of the EU regs around speed limiters. They set them way too low. We have one MAN that's 51. Its a joke.
red_slr said:
They tell me the only way is to buy a new ECU. That's what they tell me!
The last firm i worked for had about 100 tractor units and they were all Dafs. Drove quite a few of them and speeds when each truck was on the limiter varied between 84-91 kmh. I'm told, (could be an old wives tale?) that when the trucks go in to be re-calibrated tyre tread depth makes a difference 
As for tacho rules and regs this is something that has needed to be simplified for years.
Stick 20 people in a room, a mix of lorry drivers, traffic office staff, and road police and ask them how many 15 hour shifts, followed by 9 hours daily rest a driver can do in a week?
I reckon you'd probably get a wide range of different answers, and bet that less than 25% would be correct
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