Potentially looking for a 996 Turbo

[Jibaro]

Juddder said:

Thanks Pete - advice much appreciated and after owning, and continuing(!) to own a Cerbera for the last 7 odd years I'm getting a little more used to owning much loved, but high maintenance technology

PPI before purchasing is the essential bit of advice everyone has been very kind to drum in that I do, and basically affording the best one I can seems the most sensible option - just trying to find the right combination of all the bits I like!!

Alex

Good luck viewing the car on Saturday, if you want to have a look at one close up to get your aim in as it were, you're welcome to view mine, and I'll tell you what I've learnt since owning it (I'm in KT20). If the Slate Grey one is the one I think it is, then that dealer does tend to pitch prices at the lower end, but that car is about 25% under most dealer prices. Doing a little bit of digging, it's been for sale since Jan, when it was up for 40. Just had a clean MOT.

[9e 28]

Not sure I'd be rushing to get into a PDK turbo just yet - see youtube clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Isg1FZZAw

Amazing and all on a stock Mezger engine!

Porsches best kept secret. Drop an expensive Mezger engine from your flagship turbo and stick a cheaper DFI engine into it which is still good but obviously its not a dry sump race engine derived block with removable liners etc capable of running up to 2000bhp with certain upgrades.

OP buy a manual if you can and worth giving Ken at 9e a call to see if any of his customers are selling. Tips excellent IMO and really suits the turbo. Manual better...

[davek_964]

The Red Devil said:

I know you never opened it up Dave or you would have noted it needed a clutch, still avoiding that point I see,
and its one that is beyond argument, get the slippers off. No offence intended....all in the best spirit. And I would have
put a Sachs in it before long anyway..

The car was opened up plenty of times in my ownership - it regularly enjoyed hard acceleration and (on private roads obviously) hit 150mph+ on a few occasions.

I'm not sure what I'm avoiding - I assume you mean the clutch? I think we discussed that plenty after you bought it, and the points I made then still stand.

[Digga]

The Red Devil said:

Then there is the road to Glencoe, jesus, captivating, 50 mins away where the car can sit at 150 mph no bother in several places.
Not only that in the surrounding area 3 figure speeds are easily achievable.

It was the days before satnav, so I used to drive by a place-to-place 'list' in my head and I will never forget it: Stirling, Callander, Lochearnhead, Tyndrum and onto Glencoe.

24 years old, in a TVR Griffith. Fastest since I'd driven since my Fiesta XR2 ha ha. Absolutely no idea how I survived that trip - it was a baptism of fire - blew a head gasket eventually! And check out the 90's knitted tank top!

[davek_964]

Digga said:

And check out the 90's knitted tank top!

Even in the 90s that was a fashion miss. Lucky you had a nice car

Cool photo - that's a pretty nice place to be as a 24 year old.

[Digga]

davek_964 said:

Even in the 90s that was a fashion miss. Lucky you had a nice car

Cool photo - that's a pretty nice place to be as a 24 year old.

Even with that tank top, driving through town with the roof down I once got wolf-whistled at by a pair of very hot looking girls. I was already with Mrs Digg by that time (a woman who would greet my arrival in a HiLux pickup or TVR with equal demeanour) and wisely decided that there was nothing but trouble if I pulled over to talk.

[The Red Devil]

[quote=Digga]
It was the days before satnav, so I used to drive by a place-to-place 'list' in my head and I will never forget it: Stirling, Callander, Lochearnhead, Tyndrum and onto Glencoe.

24 years old, in a TVR Griffith. Fastest since I'd driven since my Fiesta XR2 ha ha. Absolutely no idea how I survived that trip - it was a baptism of fire - blew a head gasket eventually! And check out the 90's knitted tank top!

That's the roads I drive every day, Turbo territory. A whole different prospect to driving in the South of England

[The Red Devil]

davek_964 said:

The car was opened up plenty of times in my ownership - it regularly enjoyed hard acceleration and (on private roads obviously) hit 150mph+ on a few occasions.

I'm not sure what I'm avoiding - I assume you mean the clutch? I think we discussed that plenty after you bought it, and the points I made then still stand.

As I said at the time and you failed to grasp and still do, the fact that you never noticed it had an end of life clutch
does not change the fact one iota that it did, what's hard about that for you to understand? At the very least I was
expecting you to contribute to the £1500 cost, instead I got a flat no. And this consistent denial of this makes me
upset, are you aware that distance selling regs also applies to private sales now? This rendered the car not fit for purpose
incurring that big bill and weeks of downtime on a car I had just bought. By refusing to accept this it makes me want to pursue
it if I am honest, and it would be a Black & White case, I have the bills for the parts, and the labour, and testimony
that the clutch was badly slipping from the workshop that fitted. And I have another 4 years to do so.
If I sold the same it would be a no question ask dig into my pocket, why should it be different with you?
I never even got an apology, just this wash of the hands of it.
If I had met in person with you, as opposed to buying it blind I would have spotted it straight away, however the
ongoing historical posts about the car I read into and the history assured me and to a certain extent I was buying
into that. The car had done 61k on its original clutch and had been mapped since C. 30K, of course it was
due and 9E had recommended at the time you mapped it that it was not coping too well and that when doing a stage
1 to uprate the clutch. These are all facts. All things considering I am surprised it lasted that long!

Edited by The Red Devil on Friday 3rd June 15:31

Edited by The Red Devil on Friday 3rd June 16:06

[Digga]

The Red Devil said:

That's the roads I drive every day, Turbo territory. A whole different prospect to driving in the South of England

Magnificent place.

My late great uncle (a WW2 bomber pilot) lived near Oban and visiting him sort of spurred us on to make the trip and we were knocked out by the roads and, obviously, the scenery of Glencoe. We returned there in later years to go hill walking and it's a stunning if slightly foreboding place.

There are a few decent roads in Mid Wales, within striking distance of us, but you really do have a top spot for it there!

[The Red Devil]

Digga said:

Magnificent place.

My late great uncle (a WW2 bomber pilot) lived near Oban and visiting him sort of spurred us on to make the trip and we were knocked out by the roads and, obviously, the scenery of Glencoe. We returned there in later years to go hill walking and it's a stunning if slightly foreboding place.

There are a few decent roads in Mid Wales, within striking distance of us, but you really do have a top spot for it there!

Oban, superb, its as much about the journey as the place.
Much of the Highlands is foreboding, a sense of deep history, I camped up there years ago, and I swear
something was out there, and not easily spooked me, but I swear I was not alone.

[9e 28]

The Red Devil said:

davek_964 said:

The car was opened up plenty of times in my ownership - it regularly enjoyed hard acceleration and (on private roads obviously) hit 150mph+ on a few occasions.

I'm not sure what I'm avoiding - I assume you mean the clutch? I think we discussed that plenty after you bought it, and the points I made then still stand.

As I said at the time and you failed to grasp and still do, the fact that you never noticed it had an end of life clutch
does not change the fact one iota that it did, what's hard about that for you to understand? At the very least I was
expecting you to contribute to the £1500 cost, instead I got a flat no. And this consistent denial of this makes me
upset, are you aware that distance selling regs also applies to private sales now? This rendered the car not fit for purpose
incurring that big bill and weeks of downtime on a car I had just bought. By refusing to accept this it makes me want to pursue
it if I am honest, and it would be a Black & White case, I have the bills for the parts, and the labour, and testimony
that the clutch was badly slipping from the workshop that fitted. And I have another 4 years to do so.
If I sold the same it would be a no question asked dig into my pocket, why should it be different with you?
I never even got an apology, just this wash of the hands of it.

Edited by The Red Devil on Friday 3rd June 15:31

The car is worth not far off twice as much what you paid for it buddy - a judge would laugh you out of court

If you're unhappy sell the car back to him at cost + whatever you've spent thus far i.e. £3700. If the original vendor doesn't want it back I tell you what I'll do you a massive favour and take her off your hands on the same basis!?!

[The Red Devil]

9e 28 said:

The car is worth not far off twice as much what you paid for it buddy - a judge would laugh you out of court

If you're unhappy sell the car back to him at cost + whatever you've spent thus far i.e. £3700. If the original vendor doesn't want it back I tell you what I'll do you a massive favour and take her off your hands on the same basis!?!

The cars appreciation has zero to do with it, cant you see that? Its all about expectation's, and no judge will laugh it
out as I have been on the receiving end before, they judge things analytically. Do you think for one moment a judge knows the
market value of a 14 yr old Porsche? It completely remote to it. They assess the facts. You have actually helped make my mind up, I wont
be mentioning it again on here as is not the platform for it, however will take action now to prove the point, since I
now have the bit between my teeth.

[9e 28]

The Red Devil said:

9e 28 said:

The car is worth not far off twice as much what you paid for it buddy - a judge would laugh you out of court

If you're unhappy sell the car back to him at cost + whatever you've spent thus far i.e. £3700. If the original vendor doesn't want it back I tell you what I'll do you a massive favour and take her off your hands on the same basis!?!

The cars appreciation has zero to do with it, cant you see that? Its all about expectation's, and no judge will laugh it
out as I have been on the receiving end before, they judge things analytically. Do you think for one moment a judge knows the
market value of a 14 yr old Porsche? It completely remote to it. They assess the facts. You have actually helped make my mind up, I wont
be mentioning it again on here as is not the platform for it, however will take action now to prove the point, since I
now have the bit between my teeth.

The value of the car has everything to do with it buddy. Trust me you're on a losing wicket. A judge will look at you as a car dealer very differently to how he looks at a private seller. Have you been on Friday afternoon pub session or somethin? Lets not go O/T. You've NICKED a beautiful car. It needed a clutch. So what? I'm staggered you had the cheek to ask for a contribution actually. Always surprises me how when someones has a windfall and made decent profit they look at the negatives. I'd be over the moon in your shoes. Food for thought perhaps?

[Moosh]

A clutch is a consumable and can need replacing at any point of time. It would be very hard to prove that it was not okay at the time of sale. As it is a consumable you can not rely on not fit for purpose as the car is not new.

Just my pennies worth...

[9e 28]

Moosh said:

A clutch is a consumable and can need replacing at any point of time. It would be very hard to prove that it was not okay at the time of sale. As it is a consumable you can not rely on not fit for purpose as the car is not new.

Just my pennies worth...

Either RD's yanking our chain or had a few too many sherbets this avo. On a more interesting note just noticed your lovely turbo in your profile. Whats the spec on upgrades to get it to such a specific 673 bhp? have you run any 0-300kph times or 60kph to 300kph to verify the power output? looks amazing

[Moosh]

9e 28 said:

Either RD's yanking our chain or had a few too many sherbets this avo. On a more interesting note just noticed your lovely turbo in your profile. Whats the spec on upgrades to get it to such a specific 673 bhp? have you run any 0-300kph times or 60kph to 300kph to verify the power output? looks amazing

It is currently in with Ken 9E for further work, so stay tuned (pardon the pun.

[9e 28]

Moosh said:

9e 28 said:

Either RD's yanking our chain or had a few too many sherbets this avo. On a more interesting note just noticed your lovely turbo in your profile. Whats the spec on upgrades to get it to such a specific 673 bhp? have you run any 0-300kph times or 60kph to 300kph to verify the power output? looks amazing

It is currently in with Ken 9E for further work, so stay tuned (pardon the pun.

Look forward to hearing about the further upgrades. Let me get this right you're increasing power from 673bhp to lol?

[Moosh]

Here's a list of some of the upgrades Kens doing

geometry
gearbox oil change
2 x Hybrid Turbos
Custom Intercoolers
Upgraded Fuel Injection System
Upgraded Diverter Valves and f-pipe
Free Flowing Panel Filter
New Turbo Oil Lines
Upgraded Throttle Body
Upgraded IPD Plenum
Fenderwell Intakes and Y-Pipe
re map

This is what its got already

Stage 2 Europipe Exhaust
GT2 6 Pot Front Callipers
Alcon Discs
Pagid RS-29 Pads
Sachs 890nm Clutch
RSS Engine Mounts
X50 Pack
Aero Kit
X73 Sports Suspension

Edited to say, "getting very excited and cannot wait to pick her up soon"

Edited by Moosh on Friday 3rd June 17:58

[9e 28]

Moosh said:

Here's a list of some of the upgrades Kens doing

geometry
gearbox oil change
2 x Hybrid Turbos
Custom Intercoolers
Upgraded Fuel Injection System
Upgraded Diverter Valves and f-pipe
Free Flowing Panel Filter
New Turbo Oil Lines
Upgraded Throttle Body
Upgraded IPD Plenum
Fenderwell Intakes and Y-Pipe

This is what its got already

Stage 2 Europipe Exhaust
GT2 6 Pot Front Callipers
Alcon Discs
Pagid RS-29 Pads
Sachs 890nm Clutch
RSS Engine Mounts
X50 Pack
Aero Kit
X73 Sports Suspension

Which turbos? K16 hybrids or are you sticking with K24? Looks like 9e 30 package above as you're not upgrading rods, head, oil pump etc? Looking at your previous spec I reckon your 673bhp may have perhaps been a tad optimistic unless your K24 are hybrids. Go 9e 25 if you can. Spending on upgrades gradually you end up spending the same amount you would have doing it bit by bit. I've been in a 9e 25 - its rapid. About 750bhp

[Moosh]

9e 28 said:

Moosh said:

Here's a list of some of the upgrades Kens doing

geometry
gearbox oil change
2 x Hybrid Turbos
Custom Intercoolers
Upgraded Fuel Injection System
Upgraded Diverter Valves and f-pipe
Free Flowing Panel Filter
New Turbo Oil Lines
Upgraded Throttle Body
Upgraded IPD Plenum
Fenderwell Intakes and Y-Pipe

This is what its got already

Stage 2 Europipe Exhaust
GT2 6 Pot Front Callipers
Alcon Discs
Pagid RS-29 Pads
Sachs 890nm Clutch
RSS Engine Mounts
X50 Pack
Aero Kit
X73 Sports Suspension

Which turbos? K16 hybrids or are you sticking with K24? Looks like 9e 30 package above as you're not upgrading rods, head, oil pump etc? Looking at your previous spec I reckon your 673bhp may have perhaps been a tad optimistic unless your K24 are hybrids. Go 9e 25 if you can. Spending on upgrades gradually you end up spending the same amount you would have doing it bit by bit. I've been in a 9e 25 - its rapid. About 750bhp

the old turbo's were K24 hybrids, Ken is going for K16 hybrids. The 673bhp was recorded on a rolling road but yes I think you may be right. Getting it done properly this time. Then will be saving my pennies for later in the year for engine rebuild to 3.8 or higher.