Potentially looking for a 996 Turbo

Potentially looking for a 996 Turbo

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Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Not sure a bid £5 more than asking is cheeky, dumb maybe smile

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Adam B said:
Not sure a bid £5 more than asking is cheeky, dumb maybe smile
Miaow!


Juddder

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835 posts

183 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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9e 28 said:
Well worth a cheeky bid of £40k. Very well thought out upgrades probably costing £10k -£15k + = rocketship. I reckon circa 600bhp +. Looks stunning. That would blow the doors of most things evil
Sent the guy a PM as it does look very nice

Price seems to be lowered to the very top of my budget as per the thread so might work out...

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Juddder said:
9e 28 said:
Well worth a cheeky bid of £40k. Very well thought out upgrades probably costing £10k -£15k + = rocketship. I reckon circa 600bhp +. Looks stunning. That would blow the doors of most things evil
Sent the guy a PM as it does look very nice

Price seems to be lowered to the very top of my budget as per the thread so might work out...
Its a tough car to value for most as many people will not understand that the upgrades its had has brought the car up to date in terms modern car suspension set up, v.quick spool turbos (faster than VTGS) with bags of power. In fact ridiculous amount of power for the road in a good way. A few years ago that car wouldn't have been worth more than £30k-£35k with that mileage. Mileage not an issue for me on something like this as a 996 turbo I know of has covered 400,000 miles no probs whatsoever! Looks absolutely immaculate. Best of luck. If you don't ask you.... smile

The Red Devil

251 posts

106 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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9e 28 said:
Its a tough car to value for most as many people will not understand that the upgrades its had has brought the car up to date in terms modern car suspension set up, v.quick spool turbos (faster than VTGS) with bags of power. In fact ridiculous amount of power for the road in a good way. A few years ago that car wouldn't have been worth more than £30k-£35k with that mileage. Mileage not an issue for me on something like this as a 996 turbo I know of has covered 400,000 miles no probs whatsoever! Looks absolutely immaculate. Best of luck. If you don't ask you.... smile
A man who knows what he is talking about. The spec will be lost on the 80%, the narrow minded
magazine reading forum mentality. That car will be superb as the owner himself is
knowledgeable. It really gets on my short and curlys the mob who think a tuned T is worth less.
That car will surpass the 991 Turbo S once of the mark, and will most likely have a 60 - 130 time of about 7 seconds
a clean 1.5 seconds trump on a 991T. And to anyone who says they are not interested in more power then why bother
at all, just go and buy a Mondeo which is what they really deserve.

Adam B

27,142 posts

253 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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9e 28 said:
Adam B said:
Not sure a bid £5 more than asking is cheeky, dumb maybe smile
Miaow!

I know sorry, I don't have Red Devils silver-tongued diplomacy skills wink

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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The Red Devil said:
9e 28 said:
Its a tough car to value for most as many people will not understand that the upgrades its had has brought the car up to date in terms modern car suspension set up, v.quick spool turbos (faster than VTGS) with bags of power. In fact ridiculous amount of power for the road in a good way. A few years ago that car wouldn't have been worth more than £30k-£35k with that mileage. Mileage not an issue for me on something like this as a 996 turbo I know of has covered 400,000 miles no probs whatsoever! Looks absolutely immaculate. Best of luck. If you don't ask you.... smile
A man who knows what he is talking about. The spec will be lost on the 80%, the narrow minded
magazine reading forum mentality. That car will be superb as the owner himself is
knowledgeable. It really gets on my short and curlys the mob who think a tuned T is worth less.
That car will surpass the 991 Turbo S once of the mark, and will most likely have a 60 - 130 time of about 7 seconds
a clean 1.5 seconds trump on a 991T. And to anyone who says they are not interested in more power then why bother
at all, just go and buy a Mondeo which is what they really deserve.
Interesting you mention 991t.

U know its v.surprising but really not much in it between a stock 996/997t and 991 turbo once you're rolling third gear onwards. Had lots of side by side runs when 997t was stock with a friend at brunters in his 991 t from third gear rolling at 50mph to circa 190 mph and yes the 991t always had the edge but I put that down to the PDK. Once you tune 996/997t (properly) both will leave a 991 turbo even a flashed 991 turbo. Not many people know this but 991 turbo actually has smaller turbos and headers than its older siblings for efficiency. This makes 991t crazy quick from standstill to 140 mph then they run out of puff relatively speaking.

That 996t in the ad will do 50-70mph in something like 1.2 secs which is mad quick for a manual - in fact u have to be super careful when overtaking in something like that on the road as no road user on a national speed limit road is going expect a stock looking Porsche to accelerate like that from 50-70mph wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIfhg0Kq8sQ&in...

The Red Devil

251 posts

106 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Adam B said:
I know sorry, I don't have Red Devils silver-tongued diplomacy skills wink
You don't appear to have many skills son

The Red Devil

251 posts

106 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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9e 28 said:
Interesting you mention 991t.

U know its v.surprising but really not much in it between a stock 996/997t and 991 turbo once you're rolling third gear onwards. Had lots of side by side runs when 997t was stock with a friend at brunters in his 991 t from third gear rolling at 50mph to circa 190 mph and yes the 991t always had the edge but I put that down to the PDK. Once you tune 996/997t (properly) both will leave a 991 turbo even a flashed 991 turbo. Not many people know this but 991 turbo actually has smaller turbos and headers than its older siblings for efficiency. This makes 991t crazy quick from standstill to 140 mph then they run out of puff relatively speaking.

That 996t in the ad will do 50-70mph in something like 1.2 secs which is mad quick for a manual - in fact u have to be super careful when overtaking in something like that on the road as no road user on a national speed limit road is going expect a stock looking Porsche to accelerate like that from 50-70mph wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIfhg0Kq8sQ&in...
I enjoyed that. I recall when I drove my first Sierra RS Cosworth many years ago, it was a car that you had to pull
out first with and then overtake. A tuned turbo really does develop you as a driver, once you have become accustomed with
the sheer velocity it thrusts you between corners everything else is just playing at it. My brakes are crap at the moment,
thanks to the previous owner who did look after it well though skimped on a few things, I will need to address it as
it will not currently get me out of bother in a hurry, not helped by the fact that he put aftermarket discs on it and not even the
real deal, which are also crap and not suitable for a tuned car. At present I have to think really carefully about when I open the
taps on it as opposed to worrying about it when we get there approach.

Remote

13 posts

141 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Hi all,

Don't post here much at all but just came across the thread after a PM about the car on another forum.

I am the owner of the seal grey 996T advertised on 911UK.

I've had a number of enquirers over the past few days and somebody is due to view it on Thursday. I was down in the garage earlier and will collect it Thursday and give it a good clean. I'm still undecided about selling as every time I see it I want to keep it, which I suppose in itself is a sign I shouldn't.

The car itself is amazing, I just don't get to drive it a lot at the moment. 9E worked wonders on it, as did Centre of Gravity. I'm a car nut and have owned this for 5+ years. If I decide to keep it il enjoy another 5 in it. The performance is truly amazing in the real world. It does have approx 600bhp, spools very quickly and travelling from 70-110 is quite frankly scary sometimes. There is not much out there that can cope with these when they are tuned properly. I couldn't recommend 9E highly enough.

There will always be people who want to keep a car standard, but I believe the upgrades on this car are simply that, upgrades. The suspension is fantastic, brakes are what should have been on it from standard, Turbos maintain low spool but bigger punch and the remap brings the car up to modern performance standards (possibly beyond) while 9E keep it within safe parameters. These engines are very strong and well able for the power. They also love being driven, I find more issues arise when they have been sitting up for a while, which is what mine has been doing, now it looks like I need to replace an actuator.

For anybody interested in getting one, don't let the higher mileage examples put you off, ones that have been maintained and driven are a safer mechanical option than the garage queens.

I'm going to make a decision on Thursday regards selling, but right now I can't see myself letting it go, I know il only regret it. I love the fact that they are a little dated inside and I have to say I actually love the look of them on the outside, the plan was always to try and get into a 997T, but to be honest im not sure I would now.


9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Remote said:
Hi all,

Don't post here much at all but just came across the thread after a PM about the car on another forum.

I am the owner of the seal grey 996T advertised on 911UK.

I've had a number of enquirers over the past few days and somebody is due to view it on Thursday. I was down in the garage earlier and will collect it Thursday and give it a good clean. I'm still undecided about selling as every time I see it I want to keep it, which I suppose in itself is a sign I shouldn't.

The car itself is amazing, I just don't get to drive it a lot at the moment. 9E worked wonders on it, as did Centre of Gravity. I'm a car nut and have owned this for 5+ years. If I decide to keep it il enjoy another 5 in it. The performance is truly amazing in the real world. It does have approx 600bhp, spools very quickly and travelling from 70-110 is quite frankly scary sometimes. There is not much out there that can cope with these when they are tuned properly. I couldn't recommend 9E highly enough.

There will always be people who want to keep a car standard, but I believe the upgrades on this car are simply that, upgrades. The suspension is fantastic, brakes are what should have been on it from standard, Turbos maintain low spool but bigger punch and the remap brings the car up to modern performance standards (possibly beyond) while 9E keep it within safe parameters. These engines are very strong and well able for the power. They also love being driven, I find more issues arise when they have been sitting up for a while, which is what mine has been doing, now it looks like I need to replace an actuator.

For anybody interested in getting one, don't let the higher mileage examples put you off, ones that have been maintained and driven are a safer mechanical option than the garage queens.

I'm going to make a decision on Thursday regards selling, but right now I can't see myself letting it go, I know il only regret it. I love the fact that they are a little dated inside and I have to say I actually love the look of them on the outside, the plan was always to try and get into a 997T, but to be honest im not sure I would now.
I can see your point - also lets factor in a stock X50 with 75,000 miles is £40k day night long in todays market. Your upgrades which i regard as essential for stopping and going round corners not to mention extra power approx 600bhp/600ft lbs torque are circa £15k. For someone to carry out these upgrades from scratch + buy the stock car would cost them circa £55k.

Heres a recent piece on a tuned turbo which doesn't have any of the suspension, brake and turbo upgrades to your level of excellence just a simple off the shelf flash and zorst so she's down on power, stopping and handling to yours but amazing nevertheless. Looks lovely at the track drifting from corner to corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chfZKls8qhA

Digga

40,202 posts

282 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Remote said:
I love the fact that they are a little dated inside and I have to say I actually love the look of them on the outside.
Me too. I am seriously tempted to fit some gold BBS E88's to mine to get the exterior to match the 'feel' of the interior.

Remote

13 posts

141 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Indeed, when you start upgrading these and want to do it properly, using good quality parts and having the right people work on it, the costs add up. At the end of the day it's a 911Turbo, so parts are expensive, but I like the fact that you can still stick to Porsche while upgrading, such as the 6pots from a GT3 and the 997.2GT2RS intercoolers.

I wanted to keep the car as OEM looking as possible, so apart from sitting at GT2 height, tyre sizes and having 6pots, you wouldn't know any difference. Although I have carbon mirrors on at present, which I'm undecided about (ridiculous cost, impulse buy) but il give it a clean Thursday and see how they look.

Interesting vid, enjoyed it. The clutch is upgraded in my own car, but it's like driving a Golf, it's not stiff at all, a few people and mechanics have commented on how easy it is to use, as when they hear it's upgraded they expect a very on/off feel, but not the case with this at all.

They are a super car, and with a couple of upgrades they really go up a notch or two. It's the acceleration at cruising speeds that really hits home. Traveling at 70MPH and putting the foot down, seeing 1.2/1.3 bar on the old school pixel boost gauge, that's when these cars with these upgrades, are in a very exclusive league. I've yet to come across something on the road that can live with it, saying that, there ain't many GTR's over here....... But I wouldn't back against the old timer giving it a good run for its money over 70mph.


davek_964

8,795 posts

174 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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The Red Devil said:
My brakes are crap at the moment,
thanks to the previous owner who did look after it well though skimped on a few things, I will need to address it as
it will not currently get me out of bother in a hurry, not helped by the fact that he put aftermarket discs on it and not even the
real deal, which are also crap and not suitable for a tuned car.
The previous owner is of the opinion that he did not skimp on anything. In fact, he replaced the discs immediately prior to sale when the car was in for sorting out the O2 sensors and he was advised the existing discs were corroded, and didn't want to sell a car with known faults. I don't remember that they were not genuine - however, I don't believe Porsche stamped discs are necessarily better than other brands so it's possible I agreed to have another brand fitted but if so, I would only have agreed to a known good brand.

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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davek_964 said:
The Red Devil said:
My brakes are crap at the moment,
thanks to the previous owner who did look after it well though skimped on a few things, I will need to address it as
it will not currently get me out of bother in a hurry, not helped by the fact that he put aftermarket discs on it and not even the
real deal, which are also crap and not suitable for a tuned car.
The previous owner is of the opinion that he did not skimp on anything. In fact, he replaced the discs immediately prior to sale when the car was in for sorting out the O2 sensors and he was advised the existing discs were corroded, and didn't want to sell a car with known faults. I don't remember that they were not genuine - however, I don't believe Porsche stamped discs are necessarily better than other brands so it's possible I agreed to have another brand fitted but if so, I would only have agreed to a known good brand.
Oh he didn't nick your Orient car for circa £30k (now worth circa £55k + as only a few made in that beautiful colour). Now I understand his call sign! And he has the cheek to complain!!

9e would only put OEM or OEM supplier/equivalent like Serco or maybe Girodisc which are better than OEM. You need the GT3/997 Turbo caliper and 350mm disc set up Red Devil. From memory yours is running circa 500bhp! Lovely car you lucky devil. I advised davek not to sell on this very forum.

davek_964

8,795 posts

174 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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9e 28 said:
davek_964 said:
The Red Devil said:
My brakes are crap at the moment,
thanks to the previous owner who did look after it well though skimped on a few things, I will need to address it as
it will not currently get me out of bother in a hurry, not helped by the fact that he put aftermarket discs on it and not even the
real deal, which are also crap and not suitable for a tuned car.
The previous owner is of the opinion that he did not skimp on anything. In fact, he replaced the discs immediately prior to sale when the car was in for sorting out the O2 sensors and he was advised the existing discs were corroded, and didn't want to sell a car with known faults. I don't remember that they were not genuine - however, I don't believe Porsche stamped discs are necessarily better than other brands so it's possible I agreed to have another brand fitted but if so, I would only have agreed to a known good brand.
Oh he didn't nick your Orient car for circa £30k (now worth circa £55k + as only a few made in that beautiful colour). Now I understand his call sign! And he has the cheek to complain!!

9e would only put OEM or OEM supplier/equivalent like Serco or maybe Girodisc which are better than OEM. You need the GT3/997 Turbo caliper and 350mm disc set up Red Devil. From memory yours is running circa 500bhp! Lovely car you lucky devil. I advised davek not to sell on this very forum.
Yep, that's the one.

I honestly can't remember whether I was told non-OEM discs were being fitted or not (you didn't do them), but I definitely wouldn't have had rubbish fitted.

9e 28

9,410 posts

200 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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davek_964 said:
9e 28 said:
davek_964 said:
The Red Devil said:
My brakes are crap at the moment,
thanks to the previous owner who did look after it well though skimped on a few things, I will need to address it as
it will not currently get me out of bother in a hurry, not helped by the fact that he put aftermarket discs on it and not even the
real deal, which are also crap and not suitable for a tuned car.
The previous owner is of the opinion that he did not skimp on anything. In fact, he replaced the discs immediately prior to sale when the car was in for sorting out the O2 sensors and he was advised the existing discs were corroded, and didn't want to sell a car with known faults. I don't remember that they were not genuine - however, I don't believe Porsche stamped discs are necessarily better than other brands so it's possible I agreed to have another brand fitted but if so, I would only have agreed to a known good brand.
Oh he didn't nick your Orient car for circa £30k (now worth circa £55k + as only a few made in that beautiful colour). Now I understand his call sign! And he has the cheek to complain!!

9e would only put OEM or OEM supplier/equivalent like Serco or maybe Girodisc which are better than OEM. You need the GT3/997 Turbo caliper and 350mm disc set up Red Devil. From memory yours is running circa 500bhp! Lovely car you lucky devil. I advised davek not to sell on this very forum.
Yep, that's the one.

I honestly can't remember whether I was told non-OEM discs were being fitted or not (you didn't do them), but I definitely wouldn't have had rubbish fitted.
I don't actually work for 9e buddy just a customer - may have to change my call sign! Red Devils a cheeky devil! I wonder how many RHD UK turbos in Orient Red Metallic. I knew of another one but it was involved in an accident and written off.

Jibaro

210 posts

180 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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davek_964 said:
Yep, that's the one.
Is this your old car davek (red devil's car) at the Turbo clinic?



davek_964

8,795 posts

174 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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Jibaro said:
Is this your old car davek (red devil's car) at the Turbo clinic?


Doesn't look like it - that's not the plate I had on it / the original plate / his plate.

The Red Devil

251 posts

106 months

Tuesday 31st May 2016
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davek_964 said:
The previous owner is of the opinion that he did not skimp on anything. In fact, he replaced the discs immediately prior to sale when the car was in for sorting out the O2 sensors and he was advised the existing discs were corroded, and didn't want to sell a car with known faults. I don't remember that they were not genuine - however, I don't believe Porsche stamped discs are necessarily better than other brands so it's possible I agreed to have another brand fitted but if so, I would only have agreed to a known good brand.



Hi Dave, I was not having a go, however I will be the judge of whether you skimped or not as I am the pro. The car is greatly improved a year down
the line, it is fantastic and wont be parting with it. You looked after it, however you never loved it, there is a difference.
I have done heaps to it, and will continue, sadly we dont really have many good indys up here in Central Scotland, however I am
pretty handy myself and know a lot of people in the trade.

So what have I done?
Well as you know the clutch was slipping and unable to cope with the power as it was a standard one, perhaps it never slipped with you
however on the roads I have here I noticed it on my first drive as I explained at the time. To this day I am flabbergasted that you never spotted this
as the car was not able to be driven on full song, and cost me £1500 sovs right away and 3 weeks downtime on a car I wanted to drive, anyway.
The brake discs were new however not OEM, plus there was no receipt for them. They fade a lot when pressed and have a judder, and it not a sticky
caliper, in the same way my previous 6T did until I put new OEMs on. I am just really wearing them out a bit.

So what have I done to it, and be mindful I am a perfectionist and a 3rd generation sports car dealer

Window tints
sachs 890 nm clutch & new release bearing
new fr no plate plynth as one on was tatty
annual service Glasgow OPC
Alternator failed on me 6 weeks in, new one in
had a boost leak early on sorted with a new intercooler
16 mm wheel spacers to the rear
new belts
Pilot Sport Cups on the rears, only use it in the dry anyway
laser tracked
centre console delete
tunnel color coded
heated seats switches relocated to tunnel

total spend so far £3707

Still to do,

sunroof switch which does not bother me as you just fiddle with it
air con needs recharged

other fixes of issues I inherited

At some point in the past the rear bumper was repainted, however they neglected to plug back in the no plate lights
so I dont know how it was passing mots?
The engine fan housing was cracked, replaced with a new one
2 front arch liner screws were missing, replaced them all
the nearside rear light had a crack in the fixing, sorted it

I also managed to trace the paper bills that were missing for some of the services in the book, I now have a full spread
to add to the excellent history it has, now it is irreproachable.

Things I would like to do

Send the steering wheel to Royals to have alcantara finish with red stitching.
Do the gear gator the same
brake upgrade
more power.......

Full picture spread here, its not really for sale, just up there on my site, pic heavy

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