Potentially looking for a 996 Turbo

[NumberoftheBeast]

£35-45K is mental "if " the car could fetch that (or around about that!)

Didn't expect that to be honest.

It's just turned 80,000 miles and condition is immaculate. Hopefully prices stay strong as it'll be worth keeping for
Another seven years!

Edited by NumberoftheBeast on Wednesday 1st June 20:09

[The Red Devil]

Juddder said:

Will definitely do the PPI (Prior Purchase Inspection - had to look that up) - anyone got any recommendations around the London area? Thanks

Peter Morgan, a bit dearer however you do get a pdf report with images and one that is super thorough, he is a guy that wont mortgage his
reputation for anyone, he has inspected a few for me over the years

[Remote]

The previous owner of my own car had a Peter Morgan PPI done, I still have it in the history folder and I have to say, it's very comprehensive.

[Juddder]

Thanks both - I will seek out Peter Morgan after initial viewing and definitely get him involved if it looks good

Kindest regards

[IceBoy]

Helicopter123 said:

996 TT getting on a bit now and not any quicker than a Golf R unless modded. Of course, modding one takes away most of the investment potential. Nicely upgraded however, these are still proper quick, especially manuals!!

LOL...hahahahahaha.....sorry just stopped wetting myself.

The two cars are not even on the same page, as far as performance is concerned.

My brother has Golf R and I have a Turbo S......the gold is a fast car....the Turbo is Hyper-space lol !!

My 2p's worth.
IceBoy

[Digga]

Remote said:

The previous owner of my own car had a Peter Morgan PPI done, I still have it in the history folder and I have to say, it's very comprehensive.

That is also a consideration; get a PPI from someone reputable before you buy and, as long as you have the right servicing history during your own ownership, it will be equally useful if or when you come to sell.

None of the dealers with a good rep would bat an eyelid at someone getting a PPI. They would not try to discourage it or make the buyer feel they were in any way offended by it - it's normal and understandable precaution, given the value of these things and the costs of fixing faults - but you will hear the sharks putting customers of with false promises and worthless warranties, left, right and centre.

[The Red Devil]

IceBoy said:

LOL...hahahahahaha.....sorry just stopped wetting myself.

The two cars are not even on the same page, as far as performance is concerned.

My brother has Golf R and I have a Turbo S......the gold is a fast car....the Turbo is Hyper-space lol !!

My 2p's worth.
IceBoy

I can see something in his comment though. I have a Golf R, and point to point on certain roads you can
really rag the R, the incoming corner speed and the confidence to do that are inspiring, and the handling is
the best of any car I have driven. To actually corner on a public road at the same velocity takes guts as
the lack of weight in the front end is always on your mind with the 911. It's all lost on the exit of a corner though
where the turbo just murders it down the straight. If mapped an R with APR software, it might keep up,
maybe.

Anyway who cares?

[Digga]

The Red Devil said:

Anyway who cares?

And who really knows?

One of the most confidence inspiring cars I've ever driven on the road (as distinct from the track) was Mrs Digga's old E42 325i M-Sport coupe. Ride, handling and steering were superb and there was plenty enough go in the motor.

[Adam B]

NumberoftheBeast said:

£35-45K is mental "if " the car could fetch that (or around about that!)

Didn't expect that to be honest.

its not hard to get comparatives (which will be less biased than this thread) but manual / X50 / good colour seems to indicate 40-42k would be reasonable asking price

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

[Carlson W6]

Does anyone here actually drive at the speeds on the road that would be needed to differentiate
between a 996T and Golf R on full chat either in power or handling?

I can imagine a lot of you are talking about little squirts out of the lights or 80mph roll ons on the motorway
Or perhaps taking a motorway slip road corner at 70% of the cars ability.


Maybe i am wrong and it's me that drives slow?

Another point,I learned long ago that the winner on the road is the man who values his life the least.
If I come across that type of person driving a Golf R I smile and let him go on his way,happy in the knowledge
I'm driving the car of my dreams.

[Adam B]

Carlson W6 said:

Another point,I learned long ago that the winner on the road is the man who values his life the least.

agreed - or to a lesser extent values car the least / knows road the best

I assume these car v car discussions are hypothetical based on a spirited drive in both, not a road race

[davek_964]

Carlson W6 said:

Does anyone here actually drive at the speeds on the road that would be needed to differentiate
between a 996T and Golf R on full chat either in power or handling?

I can imagine a lot of you are talking about little squirts out of the lights or 80mph roll ons on the motorway
Or perhaps taking a motorway slip road corner at 70% of the cars ability.

By the end of my ownership, I found the power of the turbo was a bit of a negative point - it is simply too quick for practical use around here, and you are into jail-time speeds with very brief acceleration. I have toyed with the idea of moving on from my current (non-Porsche) cars to newer / different marque but I'm actually put off by the fact that the cars I fancy make anything from 50-150bhp more than my turbo did. The brief acceleration is great, but the more powerful the car is the more brief it needs to be.

For me, my 360 has got it about right - it's quick, but not impractically quick. On the other hand, the Vantage - which supposedly makes the same power, but I guess is a bit fatter - could probably be outrun by the school bus.

[Digga]

Carlson W6 said:

Does anyone here actually drive at the speeds on the road that would be needed to differentiate
between a 996T and Golf R on full chat either in power or handling?

Anyone who corners ten tenths on road, in anything other than a totally unrestricted view with nothing in the run off (i.e. few and far between) is asking for bother. End of.

As for the acceleration, that's a slightly different matter. In gear pick-up in a 996 is phenomenal and really does actually improve on road safety by reducing TED (how long since that old issue has been raised?) and frankly there's not much to touch it.

I would agree also though, that all but the briefest of bursts will haul the car into unacceptable speeds.

[monthefish]

shantybeater said:

Nothing wrong with going the extra level, I'd add to your list facelift cars from 02 onwards ended up with chassis strengthening (and a glovebox!)

Just to elaborate:

The 996 Turbo was unveilled in late 1999 for 2000 model year.

The 2001 models gained electric switches to open the front and rear lids, and improved interior illumination.

2002 models were the so-called facelift cars: glovebox, twin cup-holders, soft-touch plastics, better ventilation, Bose sound system, an auto-dim interior mirror and a rain sensor. Also, X50 power upgrade became an option.

All nice things to have if possible, but not at the expense of an older/better car if it was a choice between the 2.

Digga said:

EGTE said:

Slightly off the original topic, but appropriate to the last few conversations:

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/importance-of-clea...

To quote page 178 of the owners manual:

Oil consumption up to 1.5l /1000km (600 miles) is 'normal'.

The Mezger is not a production engine. It is using oil - I guess mostly through combustion- all the while. I check mine meticulously to maintain level and also record consumption rate.

If the engine burns oil it will likely have unburnt or overheated oil within the sump after a while. I have taken the decision to do interim oil changes myself - not difficult and plenty of how to videos on YouTube.

My old 996 Turbo used to have a quite a thirst for oil - always did (although it was only about a third of the above noted 'acceptable' consumption) owned it for 2 years and 10k miles (from 72k to 82k) and it never missed a beat. Never worked out where the oil actually went (no smoke, no drips or leaks - just assumed it was being sacrificed to the gods of high performance).

Ironically, my 996 Carrera uses no oil whatsover.

[Digga]

monthefish said:

Never worked out where the oil actually went (no smoke, no drips or leaks - just assumed it was being sacrificed to the gods of high performance)

I can't fully work it out either. Mine runs well within book consumption. If I had to guess, I'd say at least some is burned, especially on start-up.

Actually though, I really love the smell of Mobil 1, every time I go into the garage, even if it's just to fetch the mountain bike out for a ride, it's reasuring to be reminded of the beast lurking in there.

[pete]

Digga said:

Actually though, I really love the smell of Mobil 1, every time I go into the garage, even if it's just to fetch the mountain bike out for a ride, it's reasuring to be reminded of the beast lurking in there.

Same for me. It's one of the things I miss about my old Griff 500, in that it always smelled of oil, unburnt petrol fumes and leather - a proper car smell. The 996 still has a heady aroma of hot oil, brakes and tyres, but it's the 21 year old MX5 sitting next to it that now makes my garage smell like a 1970s workshop :-)

Just to reiterate some of the points made on this thread, definitely be careful about condition. My Turbo S is literally one of the last handful off the line (summer 2005), but since I bought it at 55k miles (with a clean PPI from Camtune), I've spent a small fortune on things that on paper are relatively minor, and are simply a matter of common bits wearing out. Brake pads, a centre rad, aircon condensors, shocks, wishbones, top mounts, exhaust manifold bolts, heat shields, and boost leaks, to name the ones that were expensive - and that's excluding tyres, a posh new exhaust and routine servicing!

Nonetheless, with values holding strong I'm still well up on the deal, which is a very different story to most other fast cars I've owned over the years. I'd strongly recommend a 996 turbo as long as you find a good one.

Cheers,
Pete

[Juddder]

pete said:

Just to reiterate some of the points made on this thread, definitely be careful about condition. My Turbo S is literally one of the last handful off the line (summer 2005), but since I bought it at 55k miles (with a clean PPI from Camtune), I've spent a small fortune on things that on paper are relatively minor, and are simply a matter of common bits wearing out. Brake pads, a centre rad, aircon condensors, shocks, wishbones, top mounts, exhaust manifold bolts, heat shields, and boost leaks, to name the ones that were expensive - and that's excluding tyres, a posh new exhaust and routine servicing!

Nonetheless, with values holding strong I'm still well up on the deal, which is a very different story to most other fast cars I've owned over the years. I'd strongly recommend a 996 turbo as long as you find a good one.

Thanks Pete - advice much appreciated and after owning, and continuing(!) to own a Cerbera for the last 7 odd years I'm getting a little more used to owning much loved, but high maintenance technology

PPI before purchasing is the essential bit of advice everyone has been very kind to drum in that I do, and basically affording the best one I can seems the most sensible option - just trying to find the right combination of all the bits I like!!

Alex

[markcoznottz]

pete said:

Digga said:

Actually though, I really love the smell of Mobil 1, every time I go into the garage, even if it's just to fetch the mountain bike out for a ride, it's reasuring to be reminded of the beast lurking in there.

Same for me. It's one of the things I miss about my old Griff 500, in that it always smelled of oil, unburnt petrol fumes and leather - a proper car smell. The 996 still has a heady aroma of hot oil, brakes and tyres, but it's the 21 year old MX5 sitting next to it that now makes my garage smell like a 1970s workshop :-)

Just to reiterate some of the points made on this thread, definitely be careful about condition. My Turbo S is literally one of the last handful off the line (summer 2005), but since I bought it at 55k miles (with a clean PPI from Camtune), I've spent a small fortune on things that on paper are relatively minor, and are simply a matter of common bits wearing out. Brake pads, a centre rad, aircon condensors, shocks, wishbones, top mounts, exhaust manifold bolts, heat shields, and boost leaks, to name the ones that were expensive - and that's excluding tyres, a posh new exhaust and routine servicing!

Nonetheless, with values holding strong I'm still well up on the deal, which is a very different story to most other fast cars I've owned over the years. I'd strongly recommend a 996 turbo as long as you find a good one.

Cheers,
Pete

All of those are routine fails on 996 turbo. For the performance on offer, the parts are still reasonable to be fair.

[The Red Devil]

Carlson W6 said:

Does anyone here actually drive at the speeds on the road that would be needed to differentiate
between a 996T and Golf R on full chat either in power or handling?

I can imagine a lot of you are talking about little squirts out of the lights or 80mph roll ons on the motorway
Or perhaps taking a motorway slip road corner at 70% of the cars ability.


Maybe i am wrong and it's me that drives slow?

Another point,I learned long ago that the winner on the road is the man who values his life the least.
If I come across that type of person driving a Golf R I smile and let him go on his way,happy in the knowledge
I'm driving the car of my dreams.

Yes, and as stated have both and suitably qualified to comment..
There are few places in the country that the cars can be exploited, in Scotland there are many.
I have a 2 mile straight on my doorstep, a roundabout in-between it followed by another mile straight
with a progressive curve. Its busy a lot of the time, however at night or early am its not, its dead, and I mean dead.
7 miles from me is Loch Lomond, head up the west side and you soon find some incredible roads, again deserted much of the time.
Then there is the road to Glencoe, jesus, captivating, 50 mins away where the car can sit at 150 mph no bother in several places.
Not only that in the surrounding area 3 figure speeds are easily achievable. I accept that down South people will find
this kind of driving sounds silly, up here not so, and no Kojaks with Kodaks either, or very few.
I could quote countless other roads too, we are spoiled in Scotland for such.
Personally I take care when cornering, that's the vulnerable bit, but don't be under the illusion the roads are as
crammed or as regulated as they are in England.....And I don't race either, aside the odd squirt just to bring the
chap that thinks he is a fast driver into check.

You boys need to get out more, your cars are wasted down South, what's the point in having the power if you don't use it.
Nothing to do with not valuing your life...The best thing to come out of England is the road to Scotland...

Edited by The Red Devil on Thursday 2nd June 22:34

Edited by The Red Devil on Thursday 2nd June 22:52

[The Red Devil]

[quote=davek_964]

By the end of my ownership, I found the power of the turbo was a bit of a negative point - it is simply too quick for practical use around here, and you are into jail-time speeds with very brief acceleration.

I know you never opened it up Dave or you would have noted it needed a clutch, still avoiding that point I see,
and its one that is beyond argument, get the slippers off. No offence intended....all in the best spirit. And I would have
put a Sachs in it before long anyway..