997.2 GT3 RS.....sensible buy at the moment?

[RSVP911]

Pookster said:

Read on a US forum that held an evening with Andreas Preuninger that he'd said manual in 991.2 GT3 likely but not in the RS as that's seen as ultimate performance.

Anyone got any informed thoughts on launch date of 991.2 GT3 ?

[chrisABP]

Fl0pp3r said:

looks overwhelmingly likely they will offer the next GT3 (and RS) with a stick, but as ever it will be interesting to see how many buyers actually spec it over PDK! 80/20? 70/30? what do we reckon?

Appreciate it's no GT3 but the split on the 997.2 GTS were as follows:
2WD MANUAL 22%
2WD PDK 78%

4WD MANUAL 6%
4WD PDK 94%

The 997.2 GTS Carrera 4 Manual has to be one of the rarest Porsche in the UK with less than 20 ever sold!

[AndrewD]

RSVP911 said:

Anyone got any informed thoughts on launch date of 991.2 GT3 ?

I believe it will be unveiled at Geneva next year

[Magic919]

chrisABP said:

The 997.2 GTS Carrera 4 Manual has to be one of the rarest Porsche in the UK with less than 20 ever sold!

I expect that holds for 997.2 in general; not many manual cars with the 4 derivative. Bit like a manual cabrio.

[Porsche911R]

Be ok if any body wanted a 4WD , but new car sales show 2nd hand sales would be even harder.

997.2 GTS is 2WD manual or nothing imo.

[chrisABP]

Magic919 said:

chrisABP said:

The 997.2 GTS Carrera 4 Manual has to be one of the rarest Porsche in the UK with less than 20 ever sold!

I expect that holds for 997.2 in general; not many manual cars with the 4 derivative. Bit like a manual cabrio.

Note 'rarest' as opposed to most desirable LOL!

When I bought my used 997 GTS it 'had to be' 2WD and I had other 'ideal spec' but I was open to either manual or PDK and personally quite like the PDK. Had some great manual cars previously and would happily go back to manual in the future.

[RSVP911]

AndrewD said:

I believe it will be unveiled at Geneva next year

Cheers

[Dr S]

djharv said:

Steve Rance said:

I think the standard 997 1 and 2 GT3's are better value for money. They represent probably over 95% of the driving experience of the RS's for a lot less money. Very little difference in driving dynamic. I think that the best values are still the 996's. Ultimately they are all very good cars. Interesting point made about the comparison between a 991RS and a 997 Gen 2 RS. In terms of potential outright pace, there is a lot less in it than you would would first think. The main factor being that the 991 gives up its performance much more easily. Forgetting the motorsport heritage issue, for me that makes the 997 a more multi dimensional, challenging and therefore more rewarding. Which is why I can see them holing strong values.

Fully agree with you on this and went through similar dilemma before deciding on 997.2 GT3, just couldn't justify the significant premium for RS as prices kept going north rapidly. Never actually drove an RS but based on my recent experience I think I'd struggle to extract any significant pace, feel, enjoyment over my car. Having said that it's still on the long time wish list anyway. Fingers crossed for all the 'end of an era' crystal ball gazing as well...

Owning both, I think the number small differences create a somewhat different driving experience: Shorter gearing, single mass flywheel, wider track, adjusted suspension set-up. It is nothing like night and day but rather that the RS addresses the few small changes I always thought could improve an already sensational vanilla GT3. I find the driving experience in the RS even more cohesive than in the GT3.

So, if you are looking for a car which you actually want to drive (not collect), I'd go vanilla GT3 any day of the week at current prices.

[djharv]

Dr S said:

Owning both, I think the number small differences create a somewhat different driving experience: Shorter gearing, single mass flywheel, wider track, adjusted suspension set-up. It is nothing like night and day but rather that the RS addresses the few small changes I always thought could improve an already sensational vanilla GT3. I find the driving experience in the RS even more cohesive than in the GT3.

So, if you are looking for a car which you actually want to drive (not collect), I'd go vanilla GT3 any day of the week at current prices.

Feel even better about my choice now thx Dr
For what it's worth I would suggest going for the GT3 use it, enjoy it give yourself some time to see what happens to RS prices and if you feel the need to 'upgrade' then you probably won't have lost much/if any on the GT in the meantime.

[ttdan]

Dr S said:

djharv said:

Steve Rance said:

I think the standard 997 1 and 2 GT3's are better value for money. They represent probably over 95% of the driving experience of the RS's for a lot less money. Very little difference in driving dynamic. I think that the best values are still the 996's. Ultimately they are all very good cars. Interesting point made about the comparison between a 991RS and a 997 Gen 2 RS. In terms of potential outright pace, there is a lot less in it than you would would first think. The main factor being that the 991 gives up its performance much more easily. Forgetting the motorsport heritage issue, for me that makes the 997 a more multi dimensional, challenging and therefore more rewarding. Which is why I can see them holing strong values.

Fully agree with you on this and went through similar dilemma before deciding on 997.2 GT3, just couldn't justify the significant premium for RS as prices kept going north rapidly. Never actually drove an RS but based on my recent experience I think I'd struggle to extract any significant pace, feel, enjoyment over my car. Having said that it's still on the long time wish list anyway. Fingers crossed for all the 'end of an era' crystal ball gazing as well...

Owning both, I think the number small differences create a somewhat different driving experience: Shorter gearing, single mass flywheel, wider track, adjusted suspension set-up. It is nothing like night and day but rather that the RS addresses the few small changes I always thought could improve an already sensational vanilla GT3. I find the driving experience in the RS even more cohesive than in the GT3.

So, if you are looking for a car which you actually want to drive (not collect), I'd go vanilla GT3 any day of the week at current prices.

Id agree if you're talking gen 1, if Gen 2 then the RS has a bit more to offer. The front track and gearing are a very nice upgrade. Add to that its one thing f the best looking 911's of the modern era...IMHBO of course.

[Cheib]

chrisABP said:

Fl0pp3r said:

looks overwhelmingly likely they will offer the next GT3 (and RS) with a stick, but as ever it will be interesting to see how many buyers actually spec it over PDK! 80/20? 70/30? what do we reckon?

Appreciate it's no GT3 but the split on the 997.2 GTS were as follows:
2WD MANUAL 22%
2WD PDK 78%

4WD MANUAL 6%
4WD PDK 94%

The 997.2 GTS Carrera 4 Manual has to be one of the rarest Porsche in the UK with less than 20 ever sold!

I think on standard 991's (i.e. not GT cars) about 10% of cars sold are manual. Currently on the approved used site (not hugely scientific) there are 152 PDK 991's and 8 Manual cars. I think over 50% of 991.2 GT3's will be manual.

[Jumpingjackflash]

I have been looking at 911 GT3's. I am put off buying one just now because no one else is buying one. The car I like has been for sale since Christmas!! Why are they not selling?

An official Porsche centre has 996 & 997 GT3's with 24 month warranties and they are not shifting.

[EGTE]

Lack of confidence in the market.

I'm a potential buyer (like so many, wish I'd bought 2 years ago at around 35K), but they're just so expensive now.

Can only see them moving one way myself, so why not wait?

Also, the GT4 is easily as good and a lot less compromised for daily use.

All IMHO, of course.

[Steve Rance]

I think that The GT4 is a very good car but the 997 GT3 is a better and more involving car by some margin. The competition GT4 CS is would be a better comparison but that is not a road legal car.

Edited by Steve Rance on Sunday 7th August 08:56

[hunter 66]

Because there are thousands of GT3 s in the Uk and only finite number of people who want to/ can afford to drive around town with a wing on the boot ........at the Classic when my wife saw the new R she loved it and said finally a car that looks really nice ..had to explain that could not buy one anyway

[gbrown2014]

Did gen 1's suddenly become a little more desirable over the weekend, it appears you can now get a gen 2 for less than some of the gen 1's listed

[Porsche911R]

gbrown2014 said:

Did gen 1's suddenly become a little more desirable over the weekend, it appears you can now get a gen 2 for less than some of the gen 1's listed

some gen 1's adverts are just chancers esp that private one for £110k lol maybe his wife told him to sell it !

[Porsche911R]

Steve Rance said:

I think that The GT4 is a very good car but the 997 GT3 is a better and more involving car by some margin. The competition GT4 CS is would be a better comparison but that is not a road legal car.

the GT4 is prob a better car imo, but yes the 997 is more involving.

tough choices.

[Cheib]

Just got my weekly JZM sales update e-mail...notice that this http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/997... Gen II 997 GT3 CS for three months now. Originally advertised at £116,900. I don't know the spec of these as well as a lot on here but it looks pretty good to me? And doesn't look stupidly priced in the context of the market and one of the few CS's on the market. Maybe it's a car with history ?

[Fokker]

Cheib said:

Just got my weekly JZM sales update e-mail...notice that this http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/997... Gen II 997 GT3 CS for three months now. Originally advertised at £116,900. I don't know the spec of these as well as a lot on here but it looks pretty good to me? And doesn't look stupidly priced in the context of the market and one of the few CS's on the market. Maybe it's a car with history ?

Ive noticed that they don't sell immediately. They have had about 3 CS 992.2 in the last 4 months and all have sold. I think the market for them has slowed though.
It'll see soon I would have thoughts. I would nt think JZM usually sell cars with questionable history. Its spec is fine as far as I can see and colour is run of the mill...