Cayman S vs. Cayman R
Discussion
Morning all, I've got the fortunate 'first world problem' of trying to chose between a fairly basic Cayman S and a nicely specced Cayman R:
Cayman S - £23k - 2008 - 34,000 miles - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Cayman R - £45k - 2012 - 25,000 miles - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
My dilemma is whether the additional cost will be worth it in terms of enjoyment of the car and with half an eye on residuals when I come to sell it. Obviously the Cayman R is that bit more 'special' and definitely has a nicer interior. I also prefer the shape of the Gen 2 but whether that's worth paying almost twice the price of the 'S' I'm really not sure! The power difference is marginal and I'm sure that in the real world the 'S' is just as usable and probably all the car that I need.
I'm coming from a Caterham so the 'edginess' of the R is probably not going to be an issue for me and both are going to be far more useable in Aberdeenshire than the previous occupant of the garage!
My concern is that I decide after a year or so that I should have coughed up the extra for the R and end up moving it on and obviously losing some cash when doing that.
The only bit that I'd really like on the 'S' is a more vocal exhaust. I suspect the best way forward for this would be to get the OPC to fit a PSE but when I've discussed this in the past it's never been a cheap option. Another way would be to get some second hand back-boxes and send them to Carnewal for modification but, as I understand it this could cause issue with the Porsche warranty?
The heated sports seats on the R are obviously much nicer than the standard ones in the S but I don't think that's a deal-breaker for me...
Any thoughts welcome, I really can't make my mind up!
Cayman S - £23k - 2008 - 34,000 miles - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Cayman R - £45k - 2012 - 25,000 miles - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
My dilemma is whether the additional cost will be worth it in terms of enjoyment of the car and with half an eye on residuals when I come to sell it. Obviously the Cayman R is that bit more 'special' and definitely has a nicer interior. I also prefer the shape of the Gen 2 but whether that's worth paying almost twice the price of the 'S' I'm really not sure! The power difference is marginal and I'm sure that in the real world the 'S' is just as usable and probably all the car that I need.
I'm coming from a Caterham so the 'edginess' of the R is probably not going to be an issue for me and both are going to be far more useable in Aberdeenshire than the previous occupant of the garage!
My concern is that I decide after a year or so that I should have coughed up the extra for the R and end up moving it on and obviously losing some cash when doing that.
The only bit that I'd really like on the 'S' is a more vocal exhaust. I suspect the best way forward for this would be to get the OPC to fit a PSE but when I've discussed this in the past it's never been a cheap option. Another way would be to get some second hand back-boxes and send them to Carnewal for modification but, as I understand it this could cause issue with the Porsche warranty?
The heated sports seats on the R are obviously much nicer than the standard ones in the S but I don't think that's a deal-breaker for me...
Any thoughts welcome, I really can't make my mind up!
R no question it's a classic, and only 100 or so manual cars so bloody rare. bit like the 964RS imo and might even go up !
I would get an R with buckets though, resale is shocking bad with chairs !!
this is worth a look imo
http://www.thboler.com/used-cars/6163812-porsche-c...
the R also won autocars bets drivers car 2011
I have had 2 I missed my 1st one so much ! still have my 2nd one.
https://youtu.be/r6nzdpYD4Ck
ps gen 1 engine will prob blow up ! lol well not that bad but you need to know what you are getting into, the gen 2 dfi is a great lump.
The R is one of Porsche best ever cars imo.
I would get an R with buckets though, resale is shocking bad with chairs !!
this is worth a look imo
http://www.thboler.com/used-cars/6163812-porsche-c...
the R also won autocars bets drivers car 2011
I have had 2 I missed my 1st one so much ! still have my 2nd one.
https://youtu.be/r6nzdpYD4Ck
ps gen 1 engine will prob blow up ! lol well not that bad but you need to know what you are getting into, the gen 2 dfi is a great lump.
The R is one of Porsche best ever cars imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Friday 29th July 10:11
Had both, an S and an R - the R takes its time to shine through (forget test drives - it took me weeks to realise just how good the car was) but it's a fantastic drivers car IMO once you make a couple of geometry adjustments and it always feels special - one of the last of the true analogue Porsches if you can afford to get your hands on one.
If you're just after a decent daily driver then save the £20k odd and go for the S because it's still a great car, but if you will use the car on the right roads and some track, maybe a week in the Alps then the R is supreme.
And lets face it, the R looks awesome
Col du Galibier
Pit Garage at Rockingham
If you're just after a decent daily driver then save the £20k odd and go for the S because it's still a great car, but if you will use the car on the right roads and some track, maybe a week in the Alps then the R is supreme.
And lets face it, the R looks awesome
Col du Galibier
Pit Garage at Rockingham
Edited by beanoir on Friday 29th July 11:38
Having recently enjoyed an R I would encourage you to get one echoing 911R and Beanoir's sentiments.
I would also suggest that the OPC car is too dear (due to, in my recent experience, having up to £7k margin in it) so haggle hard - particularly on the 4 owners and mileage issues which will dent the possible appreciation of this R along with the 'lack' of buckets and Sport Chrono.
I would also suggest that the OPC car is too dear (due to, in my recent experience, having up to £7k margin in it) so haggle hard - particularly on the 4 owners and mileage issues which will dent the possible appreciation of this R along with the 'lack' of buckets and Sport Chrono.
Blambino99 said:
Get the S and put the 20k towards retiring a year earlier
Wrong forum mate, you need: www.moneysavingexpert.com
That is strong money for a gen 1 S. Add 2/3k and you should be able to get a gen 2 S which would be a much more sensible purchase. You could then add cayman S suspension and R exhaust with Carnewal mod for about £4k, taking total cost to £30k ish with fitting. I am told this will give you 95% of an R for a decent amount less cash, but still won't be an R and may create warranty issues. I considered this approach when I was looking at an gen 2 S.
That 2008 gen1 caymanS is way overpriced! For a few K more better off getting a gen2 which has the better engine!
The CR is a good package if it has the buckets, spyder alloys etc but if you are getting a car with sports seats save some cash and buy a 2010 onwards CS and if you buy a CS with 18" wheels and passive suspension it will be almost as good to drive on the road as the CR!
The CR is a good package if it has the buckets, spyder alloys etc but if you are getting a car with sports seats save some cash and buy a 2010 onwards CS and if you buy a CS with 18" wheels and passive suspension it will be almost as good to drive on the road as the CR!
As many have mentioned above you're not comparing apples with apples and unfortunately that 2008 gen 1 could be a ticking time bomb when out of warranty. The gen 2 S is strong money such is the demand for them (only 4 in the OPC network at the moment) so the price gap between an R and S narrows to about £10K. I considered an S and saving £10K but knew I would always regret not going for the R. The R suits me needs exactly which is road fun and half a dozen track days. If the car was for road fun only and money was an issue I would have gone for the gen 2 2.9.
Thanks all for the thoughts - I realise it's not an apples vs. apples comparison - just happens to be what the local OPC have in just now!
Cheers for pointing out the potential over-pricing of the black Gen 1 - I guess it's easy to get blinded by prices when looking at a dealer's stock!
It's tricky, I'm pretty sure I'd really enjoy owning a Gen 2 'S' for a while (I test drove the 2.9 model with PDK and felt like it wasn't really quick enough) but will perhaps always wonder whether I should have just done the man maths and gone for an 'R'... Tricky one!
I do agree that the 'R' I've linked to could maybe do with the buckets and Sports Chrono but that doesn't really make or break the car for me. Guess it could make life a little more tricky when it comes to resale though... I've not sat in one with the buckets, what are peoples views on how comfortable they'd be for long journeys? I trek up and down to Glasgow and Edinburgh relatively frequently so need at least a modicum of comfort.
Quite keen to buy from an OPC just to keep things simple with warranties etc. and the free delivery nationwide helps but it seems there are no manual Gen 2 'S' for sale just now which is a pity. I've not tried the PDK with the more powerful engine but seeing as it's a toy car I'm much more inclined to go for a manual.
Cheers for pointing out the potential over-pricing of the black Gen 1 - I guess it's easy to get blinded by prices when looking at a dealer's stock!
It's tricky, I'm pretty sure I'd really enjoy owning a Gen 2 'S' for a while (I test drove the 2.9 model with PDK and felt like it wasn't really quick enough) but will perhaps always wonder whether I should have just done the man maths and gone for an 'R'... Tricky one!
I do agree that the 'R' I've linked to could maybe do with the buckets and Sports Chrono but that doesn't really make or break the car for me. Guess it could make life a little more tricky when it comes to resale though... I've not sat in one with the buckets, what are peoples views on how comfortable they'd be for long journeys? I trek up and down to Glasgow and Edinburgh relatively frequently so need at least a modicum of comfort.
Quite keen to buy from an OPC just to keep things simple with warranties etc. and the free delivery nationwide helps but it seems there are no manual Gen 2 'S' for sale just now which is a pity. I've not tried the PDK with the more powerful engine but seeing as it's a toy car I'm much more inclined to go for a manual.
Personally, I'd get the R without question but I'm biased I don't think they're comparable cars given the price difference.
I have not looked at the spec of the R but if it has LWB and Spyder wheels, then I think you'll do better in the long term.
I've had mine since new and have kept it despite getting a GT4.
I have not looked at the spec of the R but if it has LWB and Spyder wheels, then I think you'll do better in the long term.
I've had mine since new and have kept it despite getting a GT4.
dirtbiker said:
I've not sat in one with the buckets, what are peoples views on how comfortable they'd be for long journeys? I trek up and down to Glasgow and Edinburgh relatively frequently so need at least a modicum of comfort.
They're great seats, I found them very comfortable. I did journeys similar to yours regularly with no issues (I'm 5'10" 12.5 stone as a frame of reference)Mutema said:
Personally, I'd get the R without question but I'm biased I don't think they're comparable cars given the price difference.
I have not looked at the spec of the R but if it has LWB and Spyder wheels, then I think you'll do better in the long term.
I've had mine since new and have kept it despite getting a GT4.
interesting you also kept your R when owning a GT4I have not looked at the spec of the R but if it has LWB and Spyder wheels, then I think you'll do better in the long term.
I've had mine since new and have kept it despite getting a GT4.
cannot be any other nutters like us lol
Cheers, how much do you think the lack of the buckets and Sport Chrono on this particular car are likely to put off buyers in the future? I don't particularly mind as the Sports seats probably suit better and it's manual so won't get the faster shifts. Presumably it'd be easy enough to sell in a couple of years? Do think that owning an R is a bit of a bucket list item!
dirtbiker said:
Cheers, how much do you think the lack of the buckets and Sport Chrono on this particular car are likely to put off buyers in the future? I don't particularly mind as the Sports seats probably suit better and it's manual so won't get the faster shifts. Presumably it'd be easy enough to sell in a couple of years? Do think that owning an R is a bit of a bucket list item!
When I was looking for mine most for sale had sports seats. Bucket seat cars were harder to find and I held out until one came up. You can add the sport/sport plus to a manual for £630 or £830 for a PDK. You don't get the chrono clock when doing that but that's no hardship.Buckets are fantastic, perfectly comfortable (I did 3,000 miles in a week in the Alps) and really are supportive and fine even on my bony arse. They are a very very expensive retro fit if you ended up wanting them after, c.£7-8k
Sport Chrono wouldn't be a deal breaker really, throttle response can be improved easily enough without it and as said above it might be a retro fit if you really wanted it.
In fact even sports exhaust wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, the Carnewal R exhausts are epic, much better than the sports exhaust
Sport Chrono wouldn't be a deal breaker really, throttle response can be improved easily enough without it and as said above it might be a retro fit if you really wanted it.
In fact even sports exhaust wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, the Carnewal R exhausts are epic, much better than the sports exhaust
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