Anyone moved from a 5 series to M135i/M140i?
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Has anyone any experience of moving from a 5 series to either a M135i or M140i?
I'm in discussions with dealer about a new M140i, need to get the numbers down a bit first though.... Currently have a 520d SE F10.
Has anyone done this that can share their experience, Pros / cons etc?
Size & spec are my main procrastinations at the moment, with 2 teenage kids in the back (one big one small), and my impression the base spec is less than my current 520d SE.
Performance and running costs I'm fine with
thanks
I'm in discussions with dealer about a new M140i, need to get the numbers down a bit first though.... Currently have a 520d SE F10.
Has anyone done this that can share their experience, Pros / cons etc?
Size & spec are my main procrastinations at the moment, with 2 teenage kids in the back (one big one small), and my impression the base spec is less than my current 520d SE.
Performance and running costs I'm fine with
thanks
I run a 6GC and M135i so similar experience.
What do you use the 5 for ? I use the 6 for commuting and business in general so it spends a lot of time on A roads and motorways cruising. I like the M135i for family weekend trips round family, days out etc. but I wouldn't chop the 6 for one full time. I couldn't use it as my daily after being so use to the 6.
So I think it comes down to what you'll be using it for.
Kit wise they can't be compared really, nearly 2 opposite ends of the range. Although the M135i comes with bus. nav standard, led headlights, leather etc. things that will be missing unless optioned are the likes of folding mirrors, electric seats, heated seats, parking sensors, cruise.
What do you use the 5 for ? I use the 6 for commuting and business in general so it spends a lot of time on A roads and motorways cruising. I like the M135i for family weekend trips round family, days out etc. but I wouldn't chop the 6 for one full time. I couldn't use it as my daily after being so use to the 6.
So I think it comes down to what you'll be using it for.
Kit wise they can't be compared really, nearly 2 opposite ends of the range. Although the M135i comes with bus. nav standard, led headlights, leather etc. things that will be missing unless optioned are the likes of folding mirrors, electric seats, heated seats, parking sensors, cruise.
thanks CSK423, the spec difference is quite different, most I can live without, but not PDC, it would need to be added from the options list.
my 5 doesn't get used that much at the moment, as I work from home quite a bit, so typically spends at least a couple of days on the driveway doing nothing, then trips to the shops / taxi driving the kids / usual weekend stuff maybe 100 or so miles.
On a busy work week it will go to the airport, customer sites and maybe do 200 to 350 miles.
Occasional big trips down south or up north with the family are where the 5 excels for comfort and space, I'm pretty sure the M140i would be fine for this but maybe not in the same comfort and space of the 5.
The practicality of the hatch and fold down seats of the M140 is a bonus over the 5
my 5 doesn't get used that much at the moment, as I work from home quite a bit, so typically spends at least a couple of days on the driveway doing nothing, then trips to the shops / taxi driving the kids / usual weekend stuff maybe 100 or so miles.
On a busy work week it will go to the airport, customer sites and maybe do 200 to 350 miles.
Occasional big trips down south or up north with the family are where the 5 excels for comfort and space, I'm pretty sure the M140i would be fine for this but maybe not in the same comfort and space of the 5.
The practicality of the hatch and fold down seats of the M140 is a bonus over the 5
I don't have an M135i, but I do have an M235i (convertible) and had an F10 520d ED a couple of years back. Equipment wise my 5 series was an ex BMW one from the London 2012 fleet. It had pretty much the whole options list thrown at it. My 2 series is almost bog standard; I only specced metallic paint, professional nav and heated seats. It came with leather and xenons.
The two things I miss are cruise (an extra that I completely omitted; I just assumed that it would have it...) and front parking sensors. Rears are standard, fronts are optional. You don't really need them, it's a small car, but our other car has them so it's only a matter of time before that causes an issue! An auto dimming rear view mirror is standard, but the exterior ones don't dim. They did on my F10, but that's perhaps an option..
For me though the biggest issue would be space; the rear of mine has a non existent amount of leg room, certainly not suitable for teenagers. The front is fine, but if you want to carry passengers I'd think twice, accepting that the hatch will have more leg room than the convertible. But it'll be no where near as spacious as a 5 series!!
The two things I miss are cruise (an extra that I completely omitted; I just assumed that it would have it...) and front parking sensors. Rears are standard, fronts are optional. You don't really need them, it's a small car, but our other car has them so it's only a matter of time before that causes an issue! An auto dimming rear view mirror is standard, but the exterior ones don't dim. They did on my F10, but that's perhaps an option..
For me though the biggest issue would be space; the rear of mine has a non existent amount of leg room, certainly not suitable for teenagers. The front is fine, but if you want to carry passengers I'd think twice, accepting that the hatch will have more leg room than the convertible. But it'll be no where near as spacious as a 5 series!!
^ I think there are some differences in equipment between 1 and 2 series. 1 series does not come with rear parking sensors as standard (this and cruise control are the "driver comfort pack" option. Front parking sensors are an addition once you've added the driver comfort pack.
Auto dim rear view mirrors inside and out are standard, its quite visible on the exterior ones because they take a slightly blue hue and there is a small border around the outside of the mirror that doesn't change.
OP: at a risk of you having moaning teenagers I'd haul them to a dealer and take a test drive and see if they can put up with the legroom. Shortish trips might be ok but I don't think I'd want to be cooped up for 4 or 5 hours in the back.
You get leather, but heated fronts are an option. I think virtually everyone takes the sun protection glass and it does seem to keep the car a bit cooler (I've got the black interior). I find HK audio good but be aware that some complain because there is no EQ, just bass and treble settings.
Adaptive suspension is worth it, having driven both.
Service pack if bought within (I think 60) days is worth it if you are going to keep the car.
Speak to Mo Qadeer at Park Lane (I can PM you details) or Tony (TRL) - you'll find his details on babybmw.net. You should be aiming for 20% off list. I have heard of other dealers matching it so worth bartering with your local one.
Auto dim rear view mirrors inside and out are standard, its quite visible on the exterior ones because they take a slightly blue hue and there is a small border around the outside of the mirror that doesn't change.
OP: at a risk of you having moaning teenagers I'd haul them to a dealer and take a test drive and see if they can put up with the legroom. Shortish trips might be ok but I don't think I'd want to be cooped up for 4 or 5 hours in the back.
You get leather, but heated fronts are an option. I think virtually everyone takes the sun protection glass and it does seem to keep the car a bit cooler (I've got the black interior). I find HK audio good but be aware that some complain because there is no EQ, just bass and treble settings.
Adaptive suspension is worth it, having driven both.
Service pack if bought within (I think 60) days is worth it if you are going to keep the car.
Speak to Mo Qadeer at Park Lane (I can PM you details) or Tony (TRL) - you'll find his details on babybmw.net. You should be aiming for 20% off list. I have heard of other dealers matching it so worth bartering with your local one.
Edited by Crafty_ on Monday 29th August 18:54
I went from an F11 530d Touring to an M135i.
My wife changed from a 123d to an S-Max so there was no need for the 5 any more..
While the interior of the 1 series is not quite as comfortable/plush for the driver, it's certainly far from terrible and I run mine on fairly regular 300 mile runs without an issue.
As mentioned above, you can spec the 1 series to match what you have in the 5, and Professional Nav is the one option I would have liked, but am fine with business.. heated seats and cruise/PDC also good. I have adaptive suspension, but not so sure this is as essential on the 1 as on the 5.
If your kids aren't in it too often, the space should be OK, if not great. You could always hire on the odd occasion if you need something bigger?
My wife changed from a 123d to an S-Max so there was no need for the 5 any more..
While the interior of the 1 series is not quite as comfortable/plush for the driver, it's certainly far from terrible and I run mine on fairly regular 300 mile runs without an issue.
As mentioned above, you can spec the 1 series to match what you have in the 5, and Professional Nav is the one option I would have liked, but am fine with business.. heated seats and cruise/PDC also good. I have adaptive suspension, but not so sure this is as essential on the 1 as on the 5.
If your kids aren't in it too often, the space should be OK, if not great. You could always hire on the odd occasion if you need something bigger?
I've had my M140 for 6 weeks now. Anything specific you'd like to know then give me a shout.
Mine is a fairly basic spec as I found it hard to warrant spending extra on options that weren't 'needed'.
Stuff like adaptive suspension and the HK audio. The ride on mine is perfectly fine and the stereo is more than ok.
I managed £8000 off a list of 35,500
Mine is a fairly basic spec as I found it hard to warrant spending extra on options that weren't 'needed'.
Stuff like adaptive suspension and the HK audio. The ride on mine is perfectly fine and the stereo is more than ok.
I managed £8000 off a list of 35,500
Edited by S3_Graham on Tuesday 30th August 10:24
apologies for not replying sooner - thanks everyone for the replies and your insights
I guess for 95% of my driving the 1 series will be more than adequate. And for the other 5% that will be fully loaded with missus, kids, dog and baggage it might not be as wafty or as plush as the 5, but shouldnt be a hardship. Our other car is a suzuki swift - so no big car backup, my only worry is size does become an issue (ooer missus), and needing to change to something bigger whilst being locked in for the PCP term but not being able to change if in negative equity.
Then there is that engine, the sound and speed.....
first world problems!
I guess for 95% of my driving the 1 series will be more than adequate. And for the other 5% that will be fully loaded with missus, kids, dog and baggage it might not be as wafty or as plush as the 5, but shouldnt be a hardship. Our other car is a suzuki swift - so no big car backup, my only worry is size does become an issue (ooer missus), and needing to change to something bigger whilst being locked in for the PCP term but not being able to change if in negative equity.
Then there is that engine, the sound and speed.....
first world problems!
ritch said:
apologies for not replying sooner - thanks everyone for the replies and your insights
I guess for 95% of my driving the 1 series will be more than adequate. And for the other 5% that will be fully loaded with missus, kids, dog and baggage it might not be as wafty or as plush as the 5, but shouldnt be a hardship. Our other car is a suzuki swift - so no big car backup, my only worry is size does become an issue (ooer missus), and needing to change to something bigger whilst being locked in for the PCP term but not being able to change if in negative equity.
Then there is that engine, the sound and speed.....
first world problems!
I moved from an F11 535d to an M135i earlier this Year, the M135i is a fantastic car and for the 95% it will be great but I would worry about space for 4 people, dog, bags etc, you'd definitely need a roof box for the luggage (or kids I guess for 95% of my driving the 1 series will be more than adequate. And for the other 5% that will be fully loaded with missus, kids, dog and baggage it might not be as wafty or as plush as the 5, but shouldnt be a hardship. Our other car is a suzuki swift - so no big car backup, my only worry is size does become an issue (ooer missus), and needing to change to something bigger whilst being locked in for the PCP term but not being able to change if in negative equity.
Then there is that engine, the sound and speed.....
first world problems!
) assuming the dogs in the back I'm going through very similar thought process at the moment.. Can't decide between a used 330d M Sport Touring or a new M140i. The deals on the M140 are excellent at the moment (not to mention the engine/performance) but I've also got 2 kids (plus one at uni) so although I'm in the car 95% of the time on my own I'm wondering if the 330d will make the better long term option. My wife has a Qashqai so we don't have another particularly large car in the household..
I've had a M135i before on a 2 year lease and was sad to see it go but it was a 3 door manual and specced for price rather than a keeper. Although I've never driven a M140 (believe there have been some minor suspension revisions) or any 1 series on adaptive dampers I've decided these are the number one option for me. I found the M135 very fidgety on B roads and on the firm side of comfortable on the motorway so if I go for a M140 I want the ride to be as comfortable as possible for long journeys.
From the M135 I went to a 2.0 TDI A4 Avant S line, mainly due to a change of job location and the move to long motorway commutes. Within weeks I knew it was the wrong car for me, not so much because of the lack of power just the general way it drove (unresponsive laggy 170 engine, poor ride for the class of car, tramlining and only 10mpg better on a run than the M135). 6 months on and the Audi has gone and I don't want to make the same mistake again. I was very impressed with the 330d though when I tested it last week, chalk and cheese with the Audi but then it's still a big car with a diesel engine vs pocket rocket with a great sounding petrol engine!
As soon as I make my mind up on the one I'm going to go for I talk myself out of it the following day for the other!
It's hard having petrol in your veins..
I've had a M135i before on a 2 year lease and was sad to see it go but it was a 3 door manual and specced for price rather than a keeper. Although I've never driven a M140 (believe there have been some minor suspension revisions) or any 1 series on adaptive dampers I've decided these are the number one option for me. I found the M135 very fidgety on B roads and on the firm side of comfortable on the motorway so if I go for a M140 I want the ride to be as comfortable as possible for long journeys.
From the M135 I went to a 2.0 TDI A4 Avant S line, mainly due to a change of job location and the move to long motorway commutes. Within weeks I knew it was the wrong car for me, not so much because of the lack of power just the general way it drove (unresponsive laggy 170 engine, poor ride for the class of car, tramlining and only 10mpg better on a run than the M135). 6 months on and the Audi has gone and I don't want to make the same mistake again. I was very impressed with the 330d though when I tested it last week, chalk and cheese with the Audi but then it's still a big car with a diesel engine vs pocket rocket with a great sounding petrol engine!
As soon as I make my mind up on the one I'm going to go for I talk myself out of it the following day for the other!
It's hard having petrol in your veins.. I'm surprised you get a wife, 2 teenagers, luggage, plus a dog into the F10. Where does the dog sit?
I looked at an M135i when I sold my F10 a couple of years ago, with one less kid, and no dog. Even though I liked the idea of an M135i, it just seemed too small as a family car. Hence the 335d. Perhaps you should consider a 340i if you are after a slightly more practical alternative. The legroom in the back is very similar to the F10.
I looked at an M135i when I sold my F10 a couple of years ago, with one less kid, and no dog. Even though I liked the idea of an M135i, it just seemed too small as a family car. Hence the 335d. Perhaps you should consider a 340i if you are after a slightly more practical alternative. The legroom in the back is very similar to the F10.
Flat6 said:
As soon as I make my mind up on the one I'm going to go for I talk myself out of it the following day for the other! It's hard having petrol in your veins..
I know how you feel! I have one child and one on the way and an M135i sitting on the driveway. I just need to talk the wife into agreeing to an E90 M3 to replace it. Over 4 years though and without doing mega-miles the M3 works out ever so slightly cheaper overall due to depreciation on the M135i being comparatively heavy. It's hard having petrol in your veins.. Flat6 said:
I'm going through very similar thought process at the moment.. Can't decide between a used 330d M Sport Touring or a new M140i. The deals on the M140 are excellent at the moment (not to mention the engine/performance) but I've also got 2 kids (plus one at uni) so although I'm in the car 95% of the time on my own I'm wondering if the 330d will make the better long term option. My wife has a Qashqai so we don't have another particularly large car in the household..
I've had a M135i before on a 2 year lease and was sad to see it go but it was a 3 door manual and specced for price rather than a keeper. Although I've never driven a M140 (believe there have been some minor suspension revisions) or any 1 series on adaptive dampers I've decided these are the number one option for me. I found the M135 very fidgety on B roads and on the firm side of comfortable on the motorway so if I go for a M140 I want the ride to be as comfortable as possible for long journeys.
From the M135 I went to a 2.0 TDI A4 Avant S line, mainly due to a change of job location and the move to long motorway commutes. Within weeks I knew it was the wrong car for me, not so much because of the lack of power just the general way it drove (unresponsive laggy 170 engine, poor ride for the class of car, tramlining and only 10mpg better on a run than the M135). 6 months on and the Audi has gone and I don't want to make the same mistake again. I was very impressed with the 330d though when I tested it last week, chalk and cheese with the Audi but then it's still a big car with a diesel engine vs pocket rocket with a great sounding petrol engine!
As soon as I make my mind up on the one I'm going to go for I talk myself out of it the following day for the other! It's hard having petrol in your veins..
Thanks for your thoughts! It’s the petrol engine and performance of the M140 and the stonking deals that are hard to ignore, plus the deals for diesel 3’s and 5’s whilst OK aren’t game changers.I've had a M135i before on a 2 year lease and was sad to see it go but it was a 3 door manual and specced for price rather than a keeper. Although I've never driven a M140 (believe there have been some minor suspension revisions) or any 1 series on adaptive dampers I've decided these are the number one option for me. I found the M135 very fidgety on B roads and on the firm side of comfortable on the motorway so if I go for a M140 I want the ride to be as comfortable as possible for long journeys.
From the M135 I went to a 2.0 TDI A4 Avant S line, mainly due to a change of job location and the move to long motorway commutes. Within weeks I knew it was the wrong car for me, not so much because of the lack of power just the general way it drove (unresponsive laggy 170 engine, poor ride for the class of car, tramlining and only 10mpg better on a run than the M135). 6 months on and the Audi has gone and I don't want to make the same mistake again. I was very impressed with the 330d though when I tested it last week, chalk and cheese with the Audi but then it's still a big car with a diesel engine vs pocket rocket with a great sounding petrol engine!
As soon as I make my mind up on the one I'm going to go for I talk myself out of it the following day for the other!
It's hard having petrol in your veins.. 335d said:
I'm surprised you get a wife, 2 teenagers, luggage, plus a dog into the F10. Where does the dog sit?
I looked at an M135i when I sold my F10 a couple of years ago, with one less kid, and no dog. Even though I liked the idea of an M135i, it just seemed too small as a family car. Hence the 335d. Perhaps you should consider a 340i if you are after a slightly more practical alternative. The legroom in the back is very similar to the F10.
Dog isnt too big so he goes in the back with kids (middle seat) - no space or comfort issuesI looked at an M135i when I sold my F10 a couple of years ago, with one less kid, and no dog. Even though I liked the idea of an M135i, it just seemed too small as a family car. Hence the 335d. Perhaps you should consider a 340i if you are after a slightly more practical alternative. The legroom in the back is very similar to the F10.
Like the idea of the 3 touring in 340i guise, but cant find any deals that make financial sense for me.
FYI - the salesman I was speaking to at the weekend mentioned the F10 production stops 1st Nov, ahead of the new 5 series model - so there will be some good deals on current 5s toward the end of the year. I suspect these will mostly be 520d based, and will take quite a hit on depreciation over the term of the deal / PCP etc once the new model is available, offsetting the “discounts” when sold .
3 things
1) Space reduced
2) standard equipment reduced
3) Ride comfort will be reduced
2 and 3 can be optentially worked on with options added on however 1) you cannot change at all. F10 5 series has a TON of space compared to a 3 or a 1
I have access to a new 3 and taking two kids out with the Mrs is a pain in the ass compared to the 5 or S class I have. When thinking about the 3 its manageable but my BIL has a 1 series and even with 1 kid its a bloody total nightmare
1) Space reduced
2) standard equipment reduced
3) Ride comfort will be reduced
2 and 3 can be optentially worked on with options added on however 1) you cannot change at all. F10 5 series has a TON of space compared to a 3 or a 1
I have access to a new 3 and taking two kids out with the Mrs is a pain in the ass compared to the 5 or S class I have. When thinking about the 3 its manageable but my BIL has a 1 series and even with 1 kid its a bloody total nightmare
Edited by XMT on Thursday 1st September 11:40
ritch said:
Has anyone any experience of moving from a 5 series to either a M135i or M140i?
I'm in discussions with dealer about a new M140i, need to get the numbers down a bit first though.... Currently have a 520d SE F10.
Has anyone done this that can share their experience, Pros / cons etc?
Size & spec are my main procrastinations at the moment, with 2 teenage kids in the back (one big one small), and my impression the base spec is less than my current 520d SE.
Performance and running costs I'm fine with
thanks
If you're looking to carry 2 teenage kids around and a dog, a 1 Series is really the wrong car for you, or you'll have some rather miserable kids. A 3 Series really is your minimum requirement from a space perspective, and then only just.I'm in discussions with dealer about a new M140i, need to get the numbers down a bit first though.... Currently have a 520d SE F10.
Has anyone done this that can share their experience, Pros / cons etc?
Size & spec are my main procrastinations at the moment, with 2 teenage kids in the back (one big one small), and my impression the base spec is less than my current 520d SE.
Performance and running costs I'm fine with
thanks
XMT said:
3 things
1) Space reduced
2) standard equipment reduced
3) Ride comfort will be reduced
2 and 3 can be optentially worked on with options added on however 1) you cannot change at all. F10 5 series has a TON of space compared to a 3 or a 1
I have access to a new 3 and taking two kids out with the Mrs is a pain in the ass compared to the 5 or S class I have. When thinking about the 3 its manageable but my BIL has a 1 series and even with 1 kid its a bloody total nightmare
1) Space reduced
2) standard equipment reduced
3) Ride comfort will be reduced
2 and 3 can be optentially worked on with options added on however 1) you cannot change at all. F10 5 series has a TON of space compared to a 3 or a 1
I have access to a new 3 and taking two kids out with the Mrs is a pain in the ass compared to the 5 or S class I have. When thinking about the 3 its manageable but my BIL has a 1 series and even with 1 kid its a bloody total nightmare
Edited by XMT on Thursday 1st September 11:40
GTEYE said:
If you're looking to carry 2 teenage kids around and a dog, a 1 Series is really the wrong car for you, or you'll have some rather miserable kids. A 3 Series really is your minimum requirement from a space perspective, and then only just.
will you 2 please stop talking sense! seriously though this is whats holding me back for 5% of my use where I'll be fully loaded. hmmmm.....Just to bring this thread to a conclusion - I won't go for the M140i, sensible head says its size will become an issue over time when family duties are required. perfect example at the weekend picking up the in-laws, pure comedy moment, made getting in the back of a 5 such a hullabaloo, never mind a 1 - Peter Kay could have done an entire show on it.....
Anyway, sticking with the 5 for now, will consider any 3 series touring deals on petrols, or get another 5 next year.
Anyway, sticking with the 5 for now, will consider any 3 series touring deals on petrols, or get another 5 next year.
ritch said:
Just to bring this thread to a conclusion - I won't go for the M140i, sensible head says its size will become an issue over time when family duties are required. perfect example at the weekend picking up the in-laws, pure comedy moment, made getting in the back of a 5 such a hullabaloo, never mind a 1 - Peter Kay could have done an entire show on it.....
Anyway, sticking with the 5 for now, will consider any 3 series touring deals on petrols, or get another 5 next year.
Aren't they doing a massive deposit contribution on the 340i? Not long ago it was about £9kAnyway, sticking with the 5 for now, will consider any 3 series touring deals on petrols, or get another 5 next year.
Edit to add: Here - http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/3-series/3-ser...
£2k deposit and £429 p/m. Around £9k deposit contribution (aka discount)
PTF said:
Aren't they doing a massive deposit contribution on the 340i? Not long ago it was about £9k
Edit to add: Here - http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/3-series/3-ser...
£2k deposit and £429 p/m. Around £9k deposit contribution (aka discount)
8000 miles a yesr? What happens if you really want to actually drive it? Edit to add: Here - http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/3-series/3-ser...
£2k deposit and £429 p/m. Around £9k deposit contribution (aka discount)
smashy said:
PTF said:
Aren't they doing a massive deposit contribution on the 340i? Not long ago it was about £9k
Edit to add: Here - http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/3-series/3-ser...
£2k deposit and £429 p/m. Around £9k deposit contribution (aka discount)
8000 miles a yesr? What happens if you really want to actually drive it? Edit to add: Here - http://www.petervardybmw.co.uk/cars/3-series/3-ser...
£2k deposit and £429 p/m. Around £9k deposit contribution (aka discount)
If you do 20k pa that works out at £1383.6 extra per year.
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