Is haggling to be expected on a dealer's price (used cars)?
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Many variables involved, of course, but how many PHers would always expect some degree of haggling at a 'decent' dealership - or have many outlets started pricing cars a bit more 'realistically'?
Many so-called 'supermarkets' appear to offer no scope for negotiation, but has this now spread to more traditional garages and dealers?
Many so-called 'supermarkets' appear to offer no scope for negotiation, but has this now spread to more traditional garages and dealers?
280E said:
Many variables involved, of course, but how many PHers would always expect some degree of haggling at a 'decent' dealership - or have many outlets started pricing cars a bit more 'realistically'?
Many so-called 'supermarkets' appear to offer no scope for negotiation, but has this now spread to more traditional garages and dealers?
Finding the right car at the right price is a big part of the trick, then negotiating from there.Many so-called 'supermarkets' appear to offer no scope for negotiation, but has this now spread to more traditional garages and dealers?
Is better to get £100 off a car priced at £10,000 than £1,000 off an identical priced somewhere else at £11,000.
A lot of private people are wanting dealer money for cars, personally I blame autotrader and there pricing tool.
We discounted an A5 today by £250, the customer had flown from Southern Ireland to the Midlands, normally we wouldn't move but it needed a smart repair on the rear bumper and 2 wheels tidying up. We collected it Tuesday, advertised it Thursday the first viewing was today and if it hadn't sold then it would have sold tomorrow.
We discounted an A5 today by £250, the customer had flown from Southern Ireland to the Midlands, normally we wouldn't move but it needed a smart repair on the rear bumper and 2 wheels tidying up. We collected it Tuesday, advertised it Thursday the first viewing was today and if it hadn't sold then it would have sold tomorrow.
I was interested recently in a 2011 RS5 advertised at almost £30k. As (indi) dealer was a fair distance away I asked for a rough px value. My car is a 2010 (59) E92 330i SE Highline with 62k miles, in mint condition and in an amazing color with auto box, top version sat nav, elec roof, privacy glass, adaptive headlights, Dakota leather etc. Answer was simply "trade value is £7k, you'd be better off selling privately".
Was tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
Was tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
I'd be surprised if they wouldn't move at all. No harm in asking though and no harm in them sticking to their price either.
Personally I'd be quite happy if haggling never happened. It'd make the process simpler and force dealers to price competitively or face their stock sitting round depreciating.
Personally I'd be quite happy if haggling never happened. It'd make the process simpler and force dealers to price competitively or face their stock sitting round depreciating.
Haggling can still be done.
This time last year, my old man was looking for a new car, so I started looking around for cars in his budget that he was interested in.
Long story short, we went to see an Astra GTC at one of those car supermarket type places, Autopoint or Motorspot, something like that. It was a 15 plate and an early hand back motability car, only 1k miles and immaculate.
Anyway, the screen price was £12499 and he managed to get it for a little over £11700, with a tank of fuel, mats and a free first service when due. Actually, he would have just paid the full asking price because he doesn't like to haggle, but he took me along for that reason
I know £800 off a £12.5k car isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's better than a kick up the arse
This time last year, my old man was looking for a new car, so I started looking around for cars in his budget that he was interested in.
Long story short, we went to see an Astra GTC at one of those car supermarket type places, Autopoint or Motorspot, something like that. It was a 15 plate and an early hand back motability car, only 1k miles and immaculate.
Anyway, the screen price was £12499 and he managed to get it for a little over £11700, with a tank of fuel, mats and a free first service when due. Actually, he would have just paid the full asking price because he doesn't like to haggle, but he took me along for that reason
I know £800 off a £12.5k car isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's better than a kick up the arse
OddCat said:
I was interested recently in a 2011 RS5 advertised at almost £30k. As (indi) dealer was a fair distance away I asked for a rough px value. My car is a 2010 (59) E92 330i SE Highline with 62k miles, in mint condition and in an amazing color with auto box, top version sat nav, elec roof, privacy glass, adaptive headlights, Dakota leather etc. Answer was simply "trade value is £7k, you'd be better off selling privately".
Was tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
The likes of this 2011 car @ £10,995 suggest yours probably has a retail price of slightly under £10K.Was tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
A gross margin of £3K sounds about right.
V88Dicky said:
Haggling can still be done.
This time last year, my old man was looking for a new car, so I started looking around for cars in his budget that he was interested in.
Long story short, we went to see an Astra GTC at one of those car supermarket type places, Autopoint or Motorspot, something like that. It was a 15 plate and an early hand back motability car, only 1k miles and immaculate.
Anyway, the screen price was £12499 and he managed to get it for a little over £11700, with a tank of fuel, mats and a free first service when due. Actually, he would have just paid the full asking price because he doesn't like to haggle, but he took me along for that reason
I know £800 off a £12.5k car isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's better than a kick up the arse
You've done well getting that deal at a car supermarket.This time last year, my old man was looking for a new car, so I started looking around for cars in his budget that he was interested in.
Long story short, we went to see an Astra GTC at one of those car supermarket type places, Autopoint or Motorspot, something like that. It was a 15 plate and an early hand back motability car, only 1k miles and immaculate.
Anyway, the screen price was £12499 and he managed to get it for a little over £11700, with a tank of fuel, mats and a free first service when due. Actually, he would have just paid the full asking price because he doesn't like to haggle, but he took me along for that reason
I know £800 off a £12.5k car isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's better than a kick up the arse
The best part of buying a car is the haggling I have never bought a car at ticket price new or used, if the dealer wants a sale and 99% of them do they will move on the price.
Saying that when I buy private I never offer a stupid price to the seller it gives them the hump then you have no chance of a deal with them.
Saying that when I buy private I never offer a stupid price to the seller it gives them the hump then you have no chance of a deal with them.
Has anyone ever tried haggling st a food super market? Same logic they ring all the food and bits through the till. Then give you the price and you then ask for the discounted price.
Clearly the cashier says no so you say can you get HR manager if they don't move at all you walk away but to them they have a trolley full of stuff which an employee now needs to put back on shelf and that isn't free.
I've never done it but seen some on the Money saving e pert site who have
Clearly the cashier says no so you say can you get HR manager if they don't move at all you walk away but to them they have a trolley full of stuff which an employee now needs to put back on shelf and that isn't free.
I've never done it but seen some on the Money saving e pert site who have
Welshbeef said:
Has anyone ever tried haggling st a food super market? Same logic they ring all the food and bits through the till. Then give you the price and you then ask for the discounted price.
Clearly the cashier says no so you say can you get HR manager if they don't move at all you walk away but to them they have a trolley full of stuff which an employee now needs to put back on shelf and that isn't free.
I've never done it but seen some on the Money saving e pert site who have
can't think of anything more demeaningClearly the cashier says no so you say can you get HR manager if they don't move at all you walk away but to them they have a trolley full of stuff which an employee now needs to put back on shelf and that isn't free.
I've never done it but seen some on the Money saving e pert site who have
I'd say it depends. I own my car and when I swapped they gave me an initial cost of Y to change, to which I said "If you can do it for X I'll do it" and they did and that was that.
I think these days that finance deals and monthly payment figures and balloons make it very easy to "hide" discounts and claw back money so I'm sure it depends if you're paying outright or financing.
I think these days that finance deals and monthly payment figures and balloons make it very easy to "hide" discounts and claw back money so I'm sure it depends if you're paying outright or financing.
OddCat said:
I was interested recently in a 2011 RS5 advertised at almost £30k. As (indi) dealer was a fair distance away I asked for a rough px value. My car is a 2010 (59) E92 330i SE Highline with 62k miles, in mint condition and in an amazing color with auto box, top version sat nav, elec roof, privacy glass, adaptive headlights, Dakota leather etc. Answer was simply "trade value is £7k, you'd be better off selling privately".
Was tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
Ruthless self promoterWas tempted to ask what the trade value was on the RS5. Just for interest.
I reckon mine would be on forecourt at £10,450 minimum. I appreciate that dealers need to make a profit - but what would a normal margin / gross profit per unit be ?
Me ?
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