Buying used 991.1 Turbo S-advice please

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Hi

I'm hoping to scratch my long standing Porsche itch this year and am looking at a 991.1 TS. This will be my first Porsche and the plan is to keep for a good few years.

I have a number of questions, most of them are quite boring I'm afraid but as this will be by far the most I've ever spent on a car I need to get the details right. So here goes


1) Rear wiper. As this is a no cost option as opposed to standard many owners seem not to have specced it. Whenever I've had a saloon without a rear wiper ie 5 series BMW I've found it annoying. Rain water does collect on it and affect rear visibility.
My current car, an estate, does have one and I use it all the time. Sometimes I'll get in the car and find the rear window is covered in grime and I'll use the wiper to clean it off.

Googling the issue seems to show that many Porsche owners feel a rear wiper is not needed as the angle of the screen means that water never settles on it.

2) Interior colour and resale. Personally I'd prefer a black or grey interior but have found a car that ticks most of my boxes but has a two tone RED interior, exterior colour Rhodium Silver.

I might be able to live with the interior colour myself but am a little worried about a two tone red interior come resale time.

The depreciation on this car will be pretty nasty as it is and I don't want to make it worse. Will a two tone red interior hurt come resale time?


3)Price negotiation with OPC. I know OPCs are notoriously difficult when it comes to price negotiations but I do like to haggle lol.
If they won't budge on price are there other things I can try and ask for? For example the next service for free or some body part painting ie side skirts painted?


Any thoughts appreciated, thanks very much.

[Porsche911R]

Are you looking at the leicester car by any chance.

rear wiper is just a looks thing,but is handy, get up In the morning and you cannot see out the rear screen though.
it's not a rain issue more a condensation issue, early morning, if you garage the car then you won't have this problem.

black is always a safe bet inside, red is a risky sell, always has been and limits the market, you might not get less, but it might take 4x longer to sell waiting for a buyer, so hence you drop the price anyway. I hate red inside cars so a no no from me, and the Lei car, if it is that car was going to buy all black in side on his next one. I know the owner.

there is def a haggle in that car its been for sale a while and prob a bigger haggle than you might expect.

[andy355]

Looks great to me but then I have had 4 cars in silver/red
Whilst bright it's much cheerier

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Porsche911R said:

Are you looking at the leicester car by any chance.

rear wiper is just a looks thing,but is handy, get up In the morning and you cannot see out the rear screen though.
it's not a rain issue more a condensation issue, early morning, if you garage the car then you won't have this problem.

black is always a safe bet inside, red is a risky sell, always has been and limits the market, you might not get less, but it might take 4x longer to sell waiting for a buyer, so hence you drop the price anyway. I hate red inside cars so a no no from me, and the Lei car, if it is that car was going to buy all black in side on his next one. I know the owner.

there is def a haggle in that car its been for sale a while and prob a bigger haggle than you might expect.

Hi, thanks for replying.

Yes, it is the Leicester car. I ignored it at first because of the red interior but have started to consider it as it has quite a lot of the other spec that is essential to me ie reversing camera.

My car isn't garaged over night or whilst at work so I don't really want to have my rear visibility compromised like that, especially in a car with such a massive backside!

As pedantic as it sounds that means a rear wiper is on the essential want list as well then. That then excludes the Leicester car even if I could live with the red interior.

It's making finding the right car quite difficult as I want

1) One owner vehicle

2) Preferably Rhodium silver with black or grey interior

3) Reversing camera

4) Rear wiper!

5) Bose system or above would be nice

And I'm quite price sensitive as well!

Cheers

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andy355 said:

Looks great to me but then I have had 4 cars in silver/red
Whilst bright it's much cheerier

Thanks Andy

I must say imho the red interior seems to suit some cars better ie I think it looks good in a Boxster and the dark red you get in M3s looks good as well. I'm on the fence about red in a 911......

I appreciate your input, thanks

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Having had another look it seems like hardly anybody specs the rear wiper on these cars. Looks like I'll just have to accept that I'm very unlikely to find one that has one....

[jcosh]

For me the rear wiper is a no no as they ruin the look of the car. Just get the glass coated in some quality water repellent and the water will fall off easily enough. I also personally like the red interior, especially on a black car.

[andy355]

It's all personal taste. I like silver and red but not black with red. Previous cars for me in silver red

Ferrari 430 spider silver with burgundy
New shape boxster S
Merc sls
Ferrari Cali T

It will limit market in a Porsche though as most want dark interiors. Maybe less of an issue on a turbo or turbo s though

[MrVert]

I think that looks really nice, maybe as it has the darker dash and Centre console + carbon inlays. Definitely nicer to me than the usual boring black / grey interiors most have (and I have black full leather in my 997)...

However, as said, for some the red will be a complete turn off so will limit resale in the future.

Nice car that

[MDL111]

I would not worry too much about the wiper. With a reversing camera you should be fine for parking even if the screen is wet sometimes - cars behind you while driving you can see just fine with mirrors

[renmure]

To be nosey, I went to the website to look at that car. For what it's worth from a stranger, I think that looks pretty smart and classy.

I had a 996 Turbo S with metropole blue leather, so pretty nearly black, and was always pleased it wasn't boring black.

ETA.. I had a nosey at the Turbo Cab at OPC Edinburgh a couple of weeks ago when my car was getting serviced and that really is OTT red interior!

Edited by renmure on Saturday 22 October 18:06

[lowndes]

I had a 991.1 turbo S for 2 years. The car was Agate with Black/Bordeaux Red interior. Personally I like the combination and think the two tone lifts the interior; and OPC were very happy to take the car at trade in earlier this year. Two tone black/red may not be to everyone’s taste but in my view will not affect resale value.

For the 2014 car I specced a rear wiper (shown in the brochure as NCO but was £235 at the time), it is pretty unobtrusive and can be helpful on the odd occasion when reversing if the car has been left out overnight in the rain. However once there is airflow over the car the wiper becomes redundant. When it came to a gen 2 turbo S for delivery in January 2017 I didn’t bother with the wiper.

Most options were standard on the S but the telephone and digital radio were £588 and £324 respectively so may not necessarily be on a car.

The option I would be wary of is the glass slide/tilt sunroof. I had it on a 991 GTS and thought it compromised the stiffness of the body as well as being the source of various squeaks and creaks. I have resisted OPC sales talk and not specced it on the new car.

The most noticeable change from 997 is the RWS which nicely sharpens turn in to low speed corners. As an all round package out in the real world there is very little to beat a 991 turbo S.

Mine was completely reliable and used no oil and required no servicing during its first two years and 15k miles. Contrast this with its far more expensive successor which developed its first fault before it had turned a wheel and then developed a different fault when on a euro trip requiring a 300km detour to the nearest dealer.

Edited by lowndes on Sunday 23 October 11:40

[HoggyR32]

I can't comment on the 991 but my 996 has a rear wiper and I hate the thing. I'd like to remove it but it's a bit of a hassle. Plus I never feel the need to use it, the rain beads off the window no problem.

I'd certainly never spec one with a rear wiper.

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Thanks guys, very helpful.

Andy and Lowndes, some wonderful cars you own/have owned!

Looking again at the OPC used stock list there a quite a few cars with a two tone red interior. That must mean its not one of those way out there choices that will put the majority of buyers off.

I'll forget about the rear wiper.

The comment about the glass roof is interesting but I think most are specced with it so as a second hand buyer I may not have a choice in the matter.

Any thoughts on the power steering plus option? The Leicester car has it.

Thanks again

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Porsche911R said:

Are you looking at the leicester car by any chance.

rear wiper is just a looks thing,but is handy, get up In the morning and you cannot see out the rear screen though.
it's not a rain issue more a condensation issue, early morning, if you garage the car then you won't have this problem.

black is always a safe bet inside, red is a risky sell, always has been and limits the market, you might not get less, but it might take 4x longer to sell waiting for a buyer, so hence you drop the price anyway. I hate red inside cars so a no no from me, and the Lei car, if it is that car was going to buy all black in side on his next one. I know the owner.

there is def a haggle in that car its been for sale a while and prob a bigger haggle than you might expect.

Well that's annoying. After pondering about the lack of rear wiper and red interior I decided that I could live with these compromises.

I rang the dealer to double check the spec and start the ball rolling and it turns out it's actually a two owner car rather than one owner as advertised on the website.

I really wanted a one owner vehicle so I'm back to square one for now!

[andy355]

lots of ferraris and other high end cars go though an owner every summer so I wouldn't necessarily let that put you off

Can't comment on whether that's the same on Porsches though

[GT3cs]

Deep said:

I really wanted a one owner vehicle so I'm back to square one for now!

Any reason why ? 1 bad owner worse than 2 good ones . 1st owner may have just been dealer . I would at least investigate what the dealer knows of the history I.e did they sell it new etc . I've just sold my Spyder that's now onto its 3rd owner in 3 months . There's nothing wrong with the car . In my case I just regularly change my car every few months .

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GT3cs said:

Any reason why ? 1 bad owner worse than 2 good ones . 1st owner may have just been dealer . I would at least investigate what the dealer knows of the history I.e did they sell it new etc . I've just sold my Spyder that's now onto its 3rd owner in 3 months . There's nothing wrong with the car . In my case I just regularly change my car every few months .

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

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On a different note....do Porsche Turbo drivers out there have any issues getting their car through those width restriction bollards we sometimes see on UK roads?

There are a couple on some routes I use quite regularly and am wondering whether a car as wide as the 991 Turbo will squeeze through!

[renmure]

Deep said:

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

I think you are over-thinking it and if you are really over thinking it to that extent then you should be looking to spec your own new car and just get, and pay for, exactly what you want.

Perhaps if there were identical cars with identical spec and identical service history in identical condition being sold by the same dealer on the same deal wth identical prices then perhaps (maybe/maybe-not) the number of previous owners might come into it. But that scenario isn't likely to occur.