Buying used 991.1 Turbo S-advice please

[porkgts]

Deep said:

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

Buying used is always a compromise. Lots of theses cars have had multiple owners In a short space of time, I wouldn't let it put you off too much. Just get on and enjoy it!!

[Cheib]

Deep said:

GT3cs said:

Any reason why ? 1 bad owner worse than 2 good ones . 1st owner may have just been dealer . I would at least investigate what the dealer knows of the history I.e did they sell it new etc . I've just sold my Spyder that's now onto its 3rd owner in 3 months . There's nothing wrong with the car . In my case I just regularly change my car every few months .

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

Don't think it makes one bit of difference TBH...unless its a ludicrous amount. The things people think about when buying a car are

- Spec
- Who is the seller. OPC or one of the highly regarded independents (JZM, RPM, 911 V etc) are a must for most people.
- Condition/Preparation
- Warranty
- Mileage
- No of owners

I'd put it pretty much in that order.

[Deep]

Thanks, that's very useful. I won't get so hung up about the number of previous owners then.

Anybody able to comment on my other question regarding getting the 991 Turbo body through the width restrictions we sometimes see in the UK?


Thanks very much.

[AL001]

No issues anywhere with width/entry. Not sure it's any wider than most modern big saloons really.

On spec, the Turbo S is well equipped as standard. It's more trying to find one without some irrelevant things added - sunroof, rear window wipe, power steering plus, etc but that's just my personal preferences. I managed to avoid the sunroof and psp but got the rear wipe, hey ho. Burmester stereo was nice extra though. Difficult to get everything you may want but colour is difficult to ignore so that may be the starting point with miles/price/condition. Plenty around so take your time to find the right one for you and better deals during quiet months of December/January anyway. Good luck.

[Deep]

AL001 said:

No issues anywhere with width/entry. Not sure it's any wider than most modern big saloons really.

On spec, the Turbo S is well equipped as standard. It's more trying to find one without some irrelevant things added - sunroof, rear window wipe, power steering plus, etc but that's just my personal preferences. I managed to avoid the sunroof and psp but got the rear wipe, hey ho. Burmester stereo was nice extra though. Difficult to get everything you may want but colour is difficult to ignore so that may be the starting point with miles/price/condition. Plenty around so take your time to find the right one for you and better deals during quiet months of December/January anyway. Good luck.

Thanks.

Funny that as I'm quite keen to have one with the rear wiper! I've been told that the power steering plus can be 'switched off' as its a software tweak only.

I agree about the December/Jan months, that's why I'm trying my hardest to find the right car within the next couple of months. With nothing to px I'm hoping that in these months I'll have the best chance of getting a good deal.

Thanks again.

[Zanderman]

I have been having a look at these and there seems to be mostly white, black or grey cars available. What has happened to all the interestng colour??

[Cheib]

Zanderman said:

I have been having a look at these and there seems to be mostly white, black or grey cars available. What has happened to all the interestng colour??

OPC Silverstone have got a brand new 991.2 Turbo in Gulf Blue in the showroom....Or at least they did last weekend.

[hondansx]

How depressing to see you have said you want to keep it for a good number of years and yet are worried about bloody resale.

Get the car you want! Although, forget the fugly rear wiper idea.

[Zanderman]

Love that colour, probably a bit on the pricey side though!

Cheib said:

OPC Silverstone have got a brand new 991.2 Turbo in Gulf Blue in the showroom....Or at least they did last weekend.

[MDL111]

porkgts said:

Deep said:

I've just always had this thing in my mind that the less previous keepers there are the more value I'll see back when I come to sell. Am I wrong?

So lets say in two years time my car is up for sale and there's another of similar spec and mileage that has one owner as opposed to my three. Won't prospective buyers be drawn to the one owner vehicle? Doesn't it then follow that to sell mine I'll have to lower the price to tempt people away from the one owner vehicle?

I'd be happy to be told I'm wrong as it makes my search easier.

Thanks very much

Buying used is always a compromise. Lots of theses cars have had multiple owners In a short space of time, I wouldn't let it put you off too much. Just get on and enjoy it!!

for sth as new as a Turbo S I would not worry too much. For an old car that has at some point been (or still is) worth a lot less than original new price (eg a 550 Maranello say 5-8 years ago), I would pay a premium for a one owner car (or a two owner car where the second owner still paid a high price). Reason being that I feel that somebody who buys a 200k car at 40 or 50k might not necessarily have the funds to ensure perfect upkeep when expensive stuff breaks. On my 355 annual upkeep could easily run to a third of the purchase price I paid at the time, which was kinda painful.

[Deep]

Thanks, not so hung up on the number of owners now.

There are quite a few approved cars out there but a significant proportion are 2016 cars and so out of budget. And to be honest I actually prefer a car that's 1-2 years old so that I'm sharing some of the depreciation with somebody else

The search continues...

[Taffy66]

When i was a kid in the 70's the Porsche poster which adorned my bedroom wall had a black 991 turbo in it which in my view is one of THE iconic Porsches.The one i testdrove back in 2002 was a black 996 turbo and i was smitten.My point is imo i would seek out a black one or as a second more practical colour GT silver.
Pretty much everything is standard on the turbo S but one word of caution on a moderate mileage one is to have a test done on the Pccb's as a 560hp 1600kg car puts exponentially more heat on them than my 385hp 1340kg GT4.
I personally if spending circa 120k would try and make a deal with an OPC on a brand new 540hp non S turbo(lightly optioned) which is just as fast as a 991.1 ts but with total peace of mind and personal spec.

[Deep]

Taffy66 said:

When i was a kid in the 70's the Porsche poster which adorned my bedroom wall had a black 991 turbo in it which in my view is one of THE iconic Porsches.The one i testdrove back in 2002 was a black 996 turbo and i was smitten.My point is imo i would seek out a black one or as a second more practical colour GT silver.
Pretty much everything is standard on the turbo S but one word of caution on a moderate mileage one is to have a test done on the Pccb's as a 560hp 1600kg car puts exponentially more heat on them than my 385hp 1340kg GT4.
I personally if spending circa 120k would try and make a deal with an OPC on a brand new 540hp non S turbo(lightly optioned) which is just as fast as a 991.1 ts but with total peace of mind and personal spec.

Black has always been my go to colour for cars, in fact my current and previous three cars were in this colour. However I think black hides some of the gorgeous lines and bulges of the 991 turbo whereas silver and white really show them off. To my eyes white can look a bit boring after a while and so silver is at the top of the list.

But we do all revert to type so I wouldn't be surprised if I end up with a black car after all lol

In terms of speccing a new non S turbo I don't think that really makes sense. After adding the bare minimum options I would like the price is coming to £134k, and that's without PDCC or ceramics or any nice little interior touches like illuminated sill guards etc.

Then there is the issue of new car depreciation. As boring as this subject is to many people I'm afraid that to me it's important.

And lastly, and probably most importantly, I really want the S model.

I think if I play my cards right I can pick up a 2015 S model from an OPC with a decent number of options for £120k. So I get the top model with more options, a little more power, a slightly better depreciation curve and less waiting time for less money. To me that seems like a no brainer as I'm not the sort of person that absolutely has to have a brand new car.

Thanks for your comments regarding the PCCBs. What exactly am I looking for or what test should be done? Its fairly certain I'll be buying from an OPC so I'm hoping that provides some safe guards but I may be wrong!

Thanks again

[MDL111]

Deep said:

Taffy66 said:

When i was a kid in the 70's the Porsche poster which adorned my bedroom wall had a black 991 turbo in it which in my view is one of THE iconic Porsches.The one i testdrove back in 2002 was a black 996 turbo and i was smitten.My point is imo i would seek out a black one or as a second more practical colour GT silver.
Pretty much everything is standard on the turbo S but one word of caution on a moderate mileage one is to have a test done on the Pccb's as a 560hp 1600kg car puts exponentially more heat on them than my 385hp 1340kg GT4.
I personally if spending circa 120k would try and make a deal with an OPC on a brand new 540hp non S turbo(lightly optioned) which is just as fast as a 991.1 ts but with total peace of mind and personal spec.

Black has always been my go to colour for cars, in fact my current and previous three cars were in this colour. However I think black hides some of the gorgeous lines and bulges of the 991 turbo whereas silver and white really show them off. To my eyes white can look a bit boring after a while and so silver is at the top of the list.

But we do all revert to type so I wouldn't be surprised if I end up with a black car after all lol

In terms of speccing a new non S turbo I don't think that really makes sense. After adding the bare minimum options I would like the price is coming to £134k, and that's without PDCC or ceramics or any nice little interior touches like illuminated sill guards etc.

Then there is the issue of new car depreciation. As boring as this subject is to many people I'm afraid that to me it's important.

And lastly, and probably most importantly, I really want the S model.

I think if I play my cards right I can pick up a 2015 S model from an OPC with a decent number of options for £120k. So I get the top model with more options, a little more power, a slightly better depreciation curve and less waiting time for less money. To me that seems like a no brainer as I'm not the sort of person that absolutely has to have a brand new car.

Thanks for your comments regarding the PCCBs. What exactly am I looking for or what test should be done? Its fairly certain I'll be buying from an OPC so I'm hoping that provides some safe guards but I may be wrong!

Thanks again

re depreciation - you could order a LHD Turbo S and probably sell it after a year into Germany without a loss thx the FX rate and generally low new prices in the UK ....

[Deep]

MDL111 said:

re depreciation - you could order a LHD Turbo S and probably sell it after a year into Germany without a loss thx the FX rate and generally low new prices in the UK ....

Hi

No interest in driving a LHD car. I pay some attention to depreciation but am not obsessed by it, if I were I wouldn't be buying a car like this.

What I'm trying to say is that I'm happy to have an 18 month old car where some of the initial hit has already been taken by somebody else.

We're all different in this regard I suppose.

[Deep]

Damn, three cars gone from the OPC used site today, two of those cars were on my shortlist. I can't see them replenishing stock prior to Christmas so looking unlikely I'll have one on my drive this year.

I should have pulled my finger out.

[bordseye]

GT3cs said:

Any reason why ? 1 bad owner worse than 2 good ones . 1st owner may have just been dealer . I would at least investigate what the dealer knows of the history I.e did they sell it new etc . I've just sold my Spyder that's now onto its 3rd owner in 3 months . There's nothing wrong with the car . In my case I just regularly change my car every few months .

Theres a world of difference between a one owner per year car, often owned by some youngster, bought on credit, thrashed for a year and then passed onto another similar, and a car owned by someone as a long term keeper. Sure not every 12 month owner will have abused the car but if you are looking at a 5 owner car its more than likely one of them will have. And as a result, a one owner car will fetch more in the open market.

[Deep]

Thanks for all the advice. I've finally bought one!

Agate Grey with luxor beige two tone interior

Burmeister sound

Digital radio

Reversing camera

Telephone module

Voice control

Sunroof

Rear wiper!

Light design package

Seat backs in leather

Can't wait to pick her up!!

[Not Ideal]

Wow congrats !

Look forward to pictures and thoughts on it.

[foxsasha]

Deep said:

Thanks for all the advice. I've finally bought one!

Agate Grey with luxor beige two tone interior

Burmeister sound

Digital radio

Reversing camera

Telephone module

Voice control

Sunroof

Rear wiper!

Light design package

Seat backs in leather

Can't wait to pick her up!!

Pics!