RE: New Suzuki GSX-R1000 unwrapped

RE: New Suzuki GSX-R1000 unwrapped

Monday 24th October 2016

New Suzuki GSX-R1000 unwrapped

PH2 catches up with Shinichi Sahara, chief engineer for the new Suzuki GSX-R1000 models



A year is a long time in the motorcycle world, especially when it comes to bringing out a new sports bike. Shinichi Sahara is more than aware of this and, as the man tasked with heading up the new GSX-R1000 project, he hasn't spent the last year twiddling his thumbs. So what has he been up to? Over the last 12 months, Sahara and his team have turned the GSX-R1000 'prototype' we saw at last year's Milan show into two full-on production bikes, the GSX-R1000 and GSX-R1000R. And both now come with added spice.


"Since last year almost every part has been upgraded or optimised on the GSX-R1000 models," confirms Sahara when PH2 caught up with him at the recent Cologne show. "The main work has been within the engine to meet performance expectations, but also the electronics."

And that brings up an interesting point. Last year Suzuki said the GSX-R didn't have electronics, but now it comes with the all-important IMU. Why the change of heart? "Last year the plan was for the IMU to only be on the R model, not the standard bike. However after the show we decided to put the IMU on both models as it was easier to develop the two versions together rather than have very different specifications." That's Sahara's official answer, though you wonder if everyone asking why it didn't have the all-important gyroscopic electronic systems as standard may also have been a motivating factor.

So, a year on and with not only an updated BMW S1000RR to contend with, but also a new Kawasaki ZX-10RR, Fireblade and Fireblade SP, what does the GSX-R1000 have in its locker? Previously to the GSX-R project, Shinichi Sahara was Project Leader and Technical Manager for the MotoGP team. With this kind of knowledge we can expect a pretty decent handling bike (Sahara admitted to taking a few MotoGP secrets with him to the GSX-R project) but why didn't he go radical with the engine? Suzuki has used a V4 on track and currently runs a (very good) uneven firing order in-line four after all.


"We simulated many engine configurations, including an uneven firing order in-line four and a V4. But the conventional firing order was the best solution," he says. "An uneven firing order needs a heavy balancer shaft and stronger engine cases where the conventional engine is lighter and makes better power characteristics throughout its entire rev range."

Which leads us to the most important point. When PH2 spoke to Masatoshi Sato, the new Fireblade's Project Leader, he said meeting the headline-pleasing 200hp figure wasn't necessary. But Suzuki has merrily claimed 202hp for the GSX-R1000. Is this a figure to be believed?

"On the dyno we had the highest peak power when compared to our rivals," says Sahara. "But this is just one figure. The more important characteristic is the mid-range and the GSX-R has more torque and mid-range than its rivals, thanks to its variable valve timing system. GSX-R is known for its torque as well as its power, so we have not thrown away this history and characteristic." It all sounds very promising indeed for the many fans of the GSX-R1000, and there is also a fair chance that the price tag will also be pleasingly lower than the competition. We can't wait!

 

 

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pjevo

Original Poster:

70 posts

254 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Over 200bhp!
Back 'into bikes' after several years and things look like they have progressed somewhat! How do you keep this beast on the road?

srob

11,608 posts

238 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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pjevo said:
Over 200bhp!
Back 'into bikes' after several years and things look like they have progressed somewhat! How do you keep this beast on the road?
I think you double click the icon on the right, tap the app and then synch your phone to it. Then a satellite will ride it for you.

Then you go to the pub and tell your mates you've tamed it hehe

sc0tt

18,041 posts

201 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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Why are the insistent on having "suzuki" on the fairings when a max of two letters are seen.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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sc0tt said:
Why are the insistent on having "suzuki" on the fairings when a max of two letters are seen.
Bugs me too. They called me the other day to ask which of the two paintschemes I wanted as I paid a deposit a while back to be on a pre-order list. The panels on the MotoGP bike allow Suzuki to appear in full on the side. I was hoping they might have addressed that since the prototype was shown but no luck.
I took the "vuki" paintscheme anyway.

Loyly

17,996 posts

159 months

Monday 24th October 2016
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My pick of the current crop of litre bikes, I think. I really like the new Fireblade, but this has a little something extra that I really like. I expect it'll be excellent to ride.

Benjo42

82 posts

120 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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ok so Duc have VVT but is constantly variable. This will be a nice smooth ramp in torque and power.

From my understanding of the other article on this bike, Zuki's is a basic VVT that is like a V-Tec-Yo.

Ever driven a car with VVT,? It is a noticable kick, so what will happen as you are mid corner, wind it up on the exit and the thing shunts a load more torque at you?

I sure it's been thought about, as you could just end up like the old 500cc world championship days and high side everywhere.

Would like to know more detail on the engine power and torque curves

trickywoo

11,788 posts

230 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Benjo42 said:
I sure it's been thought about, as you could just end up like the old 500cc world championship days and high side everywhere.
Electronics.

Hopefully the delay in bringing the bike to market will mean all the computers speak to each other effectively.

My main concern is that it'll be uncomfortable to sit on for any length of time. We had been moving away from the racer tuck but it seems to have come back with the latest R1 and ZX10, although the S1000RR remains quite comfortable.


BuzzBravado

2,944 posts

171 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Benjo42 said:
Ever driven a car with VVT,? It is a noticable kick, so what will happen as you are mid corner, wind it up on the exit and the thing shunts a load more torque at you?
Hasn't been an issue on the VFR800 for the last decade.

Benjo42

82 posts

120 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Good point Buzz, but with the expected smidge of extra power, it might be more of a beast in transition is my guess.

Tricky, you are probably sport on. The electronics will tame it a lot but look at the last MotoGP where they were dropping like flies, ie electronics are not infallible. It had also better be a seemless system, equivalent to my old clio 172 and not like a BMW Mini Cooper S that cut power for 10 minutes whilst it hoped the roads dried up before giving it all back at once.

Edit: well that sounds negative and I am liking the bike and technology and VVT, just keen to know more about the story of overcoming the disadvantages of such an introduction to the beast.

Also Tricky, I'm on a relatively comfy zx9 but even after an hour i need a break, so good to know about the modern comfy alternatives.

Edited by Benjo42 on Tuesday 25th October 11:34


Edited by Benjo42 on Tuesday 25th October 11:34

rodericb

6,739 posts

126 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Benjo42 said:
ok so Duc have VVT but is constantly variable. This will be a nice smooth ramp in torque and power.

From my understanding of the other article on this bike, Zuki's is a basic VVT that is like a V-Tec-Yo.

Ever driven a car with VVT,? It is a noticable kick, so what will happen as you are mid corner, wind it up on the exit and the thing shunts a load more torque at you?
Depends on a few variables. revs it changes at, amount of advance/retard...

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

155 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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The development SRT 2017 bikes look good... with a certain ex Lincolnshire resident onboard...


Gavia

7,627 posts

91 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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Hawk are running the Suzukis next year aren't they and taking Bennetts with them too?

obscene

5,174 posts

185 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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The above pics are pure filth. I want one if I can get one like that!

Foggy748

318 posts

160 months

Tuesday 25th October 2016
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I think that silencer looks pig ugly. Yes, I know 100% of owners will change it anyway but it's still going to be sticking out of the side isn't it? To me that look is no longer 'in'.

trickywoo

11,788 posts

230 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Foggy748 said:
it's still going to be sticking out of the side isn't it? To me that look is no longer 'in'.
Agree it's too big but will be due to noise and emission regs.

What look do yo think is in? Apart from Ducati every current super bike has a side mounted exhaust. Under seat was tried and abandoned partly due to heat and partly due to carrying weight in the wrong place.



Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

155 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Gavia said:
Hawk are running the Suzukis next year aren't they and taking Bennetts with them too?
Yes. Probably with guinters onboard one of them.

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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Lincsblokey said:
Yes. Probably with guinters onboard one of them.
He was trying looking for a new ride early in the year after riding the R-1 and not likening it one little bit. I hope he goes well on the new Suzuki.

graham22

3,295 posts

205 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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trickywoo said:
Foggy748 said:
it's still going to be sticking out of the side isn't it? To me that look is no longer 'in'.
Agree it's too big but will be due to noise and emission regs.

What look do yo think is in? Apart from Ducati every current super bike has a side mounted exhaust. Under seat was tried and abandoned partly due to heat and partly due to carrying weight in the wrong place.
There's probably another silencer/cat behind the fairing. Look at the current S1000RR, cat & silencer to meet regs.

Even Suzuki aren't showing any head-on pics, shame the headlight looks like a Hoysung (or something like that), I'm thinking it will look better in the flesh.

poo at Paul's

14,147 posts

175 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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cmaguire said:
The panels on the MotoGP bike allow Suzuki to appear in full on the side. I was hoping they might have addressed that since the prototype was shown but no luck.
I took the "vuki" paintscheme anyway.
Lightweight race decals!!


BTW, lucky sod, this I think will be the surprise offering this year.

Rosscow

8,765 posts

163 months

Wednesday 26th October 2016
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graham22 said:
trickywoo said:
Foggy748 said:
it's still going to be sticking out of the side isn't it? To me that look is no longer 'in'.
Agree it's too big but will be due to noise and emission regs.

What look do yo think is in? Apart from Ducati every current super bike has a side mounted exhaust. Under seat was tried and abandoned partly due to heat and partly due to carrying weight in the wrong place.
There's probably another silencer/cat behind the fairing. Look at the current S1000RR, cat & silencer to meet regs.

Even Suzuki aren't showing any head-on pics, shame the headlight looks like a Hoysung (or something like that), I'm thinking it will look better in the flesh.
Head on pic like these ones?





And lots of others, on the Suzuki website:

https://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/motorcycles/motorcycle...